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poppahunts
02-08-2007, 20:17
Any news of when the Accu-Strut may be released for purchase?
rugerdaddy
02-13-2007, 00:35
Do a search and you'll find the thread that discusses it. I think it's only a couple weeks away.
Do a search and you'll find the thread that discusses it. I think it's only a couple weeks away.
Oh, puleeze! He's been saying that for YEARS.
(OTOH, you may be right.)
3GunFunShooter
04-26-2007, 14:22
Just ordered mine today!
Congratulations kkina.
Waiting for the UPS truck.
Gary of CA
04-27-2007, 22:13
Me too! It's been shipped.
stevekaw
04-28-2007, 03:16
Now come on everybody!
This is a product that we've all been waiting for over the years (and bitchin' about the delay). It promises to be a relatively cheap upgrade for the Mini which will significantly improve it's accuracy and make some of those "black rifle" critics STFU!
There are hundreds of Mini owners active on this board. Ruger has sold in excess of 800,000 Mini's since 1974. If we can't get ~285 beta Accu-struts sold in the next few days, test the hell out of it in real-world conditions, and find out if it really works, then we're a pretty sad community.
So, let's roll!
:samurai:
man, see what happens when I don't visit this board everyday. I miss the launch of something I've been eagerly anticipating for a loooong time. Just ordered mine, Order #43. Can't wait.
man, see what happens when I don't visit this board everyday. I miss the launch of something I've been eagerly anticipating for a loooong time. Just ordered mine, Order #43. Can't wait.
Got your order, thanks! Going out Monday (UPS closed on weekends).
Kkina, I just realized something: I'm not going to be able to get one of these as long as I'm using the ASI adjustable gas block, correct? Because I think the adjustable screw that sticks out from the gas block would get in the way of the Accustrut, which looks like it needs to butt up directly against the gas block.
Here are pictures of my adjustable gas block:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54123
Probably the only way this will work is for me to go back to the original gas block, don't you think?
Kkina, I just realized something: I'm not going to be able to get one of these as long as I'm using the ASI adjustable gas block, correct? Because I think the adjustable screw that sticks out from the gas block would get in the way of the Accustrut, which looks like it needs to butt up directly against the gas block.
Here are pictures of my adjustable gas block:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54123
Probably the only way this will work is for me to go back to the original gas block, don't you think?
Yep, that would be a problem. I suppose you could position the rear clamp in front of the adjustment screw, but it would sure look funny and I can't guarantee it would even work as an accurizer.
I have also ordered my accu-strut. It has been shipped and I am # 35. I look forward to testing the accuracy of my 182 mini with only a muzzle break.
kkina,
If I'm not too late, would you ship one to NZ and if so, how much ish?
KKina, go to the accu-strut website and order one. The cost is about $83.00 with shipping included.
kkina,
If I'm not too late, would you ship one to NZ and if so, how much ish?
What's NZ? New Zealand?
What's NZ? New Zealand?
Yeah, sorry about that. It's a long way to send something but if the excess postage isn't to steep I'd like to give your acu-strut a go.
Yeah, sorry about that. It's a long way to send something but if the excess postage isn't to steep I'd like to give your acu-strut a go.
We're basically just shipping to U.S. customers due to legal reasons, but let me start looking into it.
We're basically just shipping to U.S. customers due to legal reasons, but let me start looking into it.
I appreciate your efforts sir
It looks like it would cost $1750 a year to register with the State Department, assuming they approve export. I don't see this happening immediately, unfortunately.
I was all set to order untill I saw the SS weren't available yet....how does the blue look on stainless?
I was all set to order untill I saw the SS weren't available yet....how does the blue look on stainless?
There's pics of the blued strut on a 580-series in the Gallery on the Accu-strut site.
There's pics of the blued strut on a 580-series in the Gallery on the Accu-strut site.Pass.....I'll wait for stainless.
3GunFunShooter
04-30-2007, 10:12
TXCOP,
I would not wait!. You have no idea how long we have been waiting for this product. What has it been, 3, 4 years?
Who cares how it looks, as long as it makes the gun shoot better. Paint the the thing silver.
Got mine on Friday.
Will put it on this week.
Thanks kkina for such fast service.
Pass.....I'll wait for stainless.
OK, up to you, of course. I do have a question, would you want the clamps also offered in stainless, or is black OK with a stainless strut?
Gary of CA
04-30-2007, 23:25
Got mine today!
harrisjr156
05-01-2007, 15:57
Mine's on the way! Number 45.:D
blancoman
05-02-2007, 08:01
I'm number 53 and I ordered two of them yesterday. Has anyone that has received theirs tried them yet? Do we need to start a new thread with results. My shooting range is about 50yds from the house. My wife wouldn't let me shoot in the yard, she said it shook the pictures on the wall. Anyway, the day I get them I will have them mounted and will do before and after testing that same day. So, do we need to start a new thread for results as they come in?
Blancoman, I haven't ordered one yet, but I hope to eventually when the stainless models come out. In the meantime, I love your idea of before/after testing. I hope that EVERYONE who gets one of these will do at least a minimal test of say taking three sets of 5-shot groups @ 100 yards, before mounting and after, keep the targets (for verification later), and report the average, best, and worst results to the group.
Perhaps Kkina could start a new thread for these reports on the results, and propose a standard, simple test approach that any folks willing to report their results could follow, so that it would be easier to track and compare results. The results will be a lot more meaningful results if folks base their report on a standard approach, as opposed to just reporting anecdotally that their group size improved by a certain amount.
Accu-Strut on SS mini. It doesn't look all that out of place. Haven't been to the range yet, so no idea on the improvement. I ran downstairs like it was Christmas when I heard the UPS dude ring the doorbell, :lol:.
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6195/p1010053mediumvm3.jpg
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8610/p1010054mediumws6.jpg
stevekaw
05-02-2007, 13:34
Looks darn handsome to me!
:D
I'm number 53 and I ordered two of them yesterday. Has anyone that has received theirs tried them yet? Do we need to start a new thread with results. My shooting range is about 50yds from the house. My wife wouldn't let me shoot in the yard, she said it shook the pictures on the wall. Anyway, the day I get them I will have them mounted and will do before and after testing that same day. So, do we need to start a new thread for results as they come in?
Actually, I've already started one in the NEST Engineering section. "User experiences": http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=57084
I'll make another thread for pics of your Mini with the strut.
Accu-Strut on SS mini. It doesn't look all that out of place. Haven't been to the range yet, so no idea on the improvement. I ran downstairs like it was Christmas when I heard the UPS dude ring the doorbell, :lol:.
Hah, that made me laugh! Hey, that's a sharp looking Mini. It does look natural there. It's funny, just yesterday I was showing a young lady my website (she wants to start her own internet business), and she remarked that the Mini-14 didn't look finished without the strut (she has absolutely no experience with firearms).
This has probably already been addressed elsewhere, but I'm a busy man...
Will the accu-strut work in conjunction with the Ulti-Mak scope mount? I suspect that it might, but dunno.
I'll definately be ordering an accu-strut soon, as long as it works with my current scope mount.
This has probably already been addressed elsewhere, but I'm a busy man...
Will the accu-strut work in conjunction with the Ulti-Mak scope mount? I suspect that it might, but dunno.
I'll definately be ordering an accu-strut soon, as long as it works with my current scope mount.
Never seen one up close, but from the pics it should. The rear clamp will of course be mounted a little forward to clear the scope mount, but that should be OK. You can always return the strut if it doesn't work out.
nam66-67
06-25-2007, 14:21
Just ordered one.Can't wait till I get it and get to the range.
Lightnin Rick
06-25-2007, 14:56
I'm thinking that I would like one with the SS rod and black atachments.
Will the accu-strut work in conjunction with the Ulti-Mak scope mount? I suspect that it might, but dunno.
Yes. I have both on one of my Mini-14's.
nzmini30
06-25-2007, 17:00
Hey Kkina, just wondering but why can you not ship these overseas?
it is not "essential to the operation of the firearm" and by itself its nothing more then some metal and some clamps...
Why is paperwork needed? can you not stick it in a parcel as you would a birthday present or any other misc object and send it overseas? label it metal pipe and clamps or whatever...
Just curious because i kinda wouldent mind one of these
(do they fit mini-30?) and i know there would be no problem getting one into NZ, the problems would only be at your end if there was any...
cheers
Hey Kkina, just wondering but why can you not ship these overseas?
it is not "essential to the operation of the firearm" and by itself its nothing more then some metal and some clamps...
Why is paperwork needed? can you not stick it in a parcel as you would a birthday present or any other misc object and send it overseas? label it metal pipe and clamps or whatever...
Just curious because i kinda wouldent mind one of these
(do they fit mini-30?) and i know there would be no problem getting one into NZ, the problems would only be at your end if there was any...
cheers
Well, there are certainly ways of "getting around" the law, but that is not my intention. If it is a firearm part, and it is, one must obtain a license from the state dept. I don't think it's worth the trouble of getting caught.
Secret Squirrel
06-26-2007, 05:43
nzmini30; nothing for it but you are going to have to see what can be achieved with a bit of Kiwi ingenuity & number 8.
HighDesertWolf
06-26-2007, 06:29
jeez!! the price of those things is a bit stiff dont ya think?? anyone with a some basic machining skills could darn near make their own... Id maybe buy one if it were say around 50 bucks. Then on their page they say they may go up in price totally forget that then therse plenty of other options that are cheaper. besides my mini already gives better than acceptable accuracy anyway. heres a pic of 15 shots at 150 yards
click here-> http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54765
nzmini30
06-26-2007, 16:43
yea im sure i could whip up a mean strut out of some coathangers or something ;) maby some duct tape and string too..
The number8 wire and the silver duct tape will go real well with my SS mini...wish me luck!
HighDesertWolf
06-27-2007, 02:02
yea im sure i could whip up a mean strut out of some coathangers or something ;) maby some duct tape and string too..
The number8 wire and the silver duct tape will go real well with my SS mini...wish me luck!
LOL :lol:
Alphonso
08-15-2007, 10:33
OK, Its been two months since anyone posted on this thread. I'm very interested in hearing about results/improvements with the strut installed. I'm on the verge of ordering one, but want to hear from some who have used the thing.
Anybody got any info?
Thanks in advance.
pharroutpc
08-31-2007, 08:38
Well.....I just ordered one myself and it will be here on the sixth. I plan on hitting the range the next day so I will whip up the most in-depth range report I can. I really cant wait til that rascal gets here. I couldnt be happier if this thing does the trick considering as much as I wanted a new bull barrel installed, I just cannot afford $600+ for an ASI. I mean I could get a Shilen from Midway and have a smithy install it but the combo of the new barrel, labor and new gas block would still be beyond my budget.
trust me , it works. between the strut & a trigger job my m-30 is shooting some amazing groups. kkina is an engineer & a perfectionist & his accu-strut shows his commitment to a product that does what it claims. imo there is no other mod that will help your groups shrink like this strut. this is my experience, your mileage may vary. best 80.00 i have spent on my mini. Gundoc's trigger job was a bargain, too
Vicious-Peanut
09-03-2007, 07:13
I recently purchased one and instead of making a new thread I figured I would ask here. The first time I installed it after 60 rounds it backed off the gas block some, so I removed it and re-torqued the block. (it was off) I re-installed the strut this morning with some new loctite and tightened in a criss-cross manner. How tight was I supposed to go? I used the long side of the wrench for leverage and went until they felt really solid. They could be tightened more, but not alot and I don't want to hurt my barrel.
EDIT: Also, does the barrel slim down some )just a tiny bit) after the indexing marks? It seems like it does.
Vicious,
Had the same thing happen with mine. I found that it really improved accuracy but was disappointed with the slippage. At this point I didn't want to put lock-tite on my barrel and am just waiting for the redesigned clamps which should be out shortly. They are supposed to eliminate the strut slipping.
Have a good holiday
Chuck B
The clamp upgrade parts order is currently at the machinist. They will then need to be blued, then be ready for shipping.
The upgrade seems to work beautifully! I tried it on my personal mini using clamps that were NOT degreased and had no Loctite, and the strut showed no slippage at all. I will still probably supply the Loctite for those who want a really secure attachment (factory front sights are Loctited on), but it will be an optional procedure.
Glad you guys are seeeing improvement on accuracy with your struts!
EDIT: Also, does the barrel slim down some )just a tiny bit) after the indexing marks? It seems like it does.
Yes, about 10 mils (not sure what the actual factory spec is).
pharroutpc
09-06-2007, 15:42
Welp....AccuStrut has arrived! Only problem is I just had some serious oral surgery done so thsat detailed report will have to wait. Im afraid my face isnt getting anywhere near the cheek piece of my mini.....well....unless I had some strange crying fetish :o Anyway, I gotta say the Accustrut is built of very rigid and quality materials. I got my Tapco Fusion stock yesterday and put it all together while the Percocet cocktail was still working. After that I saw to it that it was coma time as the novacaine wore away cuz I could have swore a bear swiped my face off :blink: So, lets see how this all looks. Ill post pix here in a few hours. :D
Kevin, i'm so pleased with the way my m-30 is shooting that i have to ask if you think the new clamps would be a wise upgrade. i just hate to mess with it if not really necesssary.
Kevin, i'm so pleased with the way my m-30 is shooting that i have to ask if you think the new clamps would be a wise upgrade. i just hate to mess with it if not really necesssary.
Hah, thanks, Buddy! Yes, I would still highly recommend the upgrade. It works with existing clamp, replacing the old screws, and makes it much more secure. Plus, they look nicer! I plan to sell them at a pretty reasonable price as well.
wildhobbybobby
09-06-2007, 18:09
I have owned a stainless standard Mini-14 for years, having used it as a patrol rifle during my law enforcement career. I have always been severely disappointed by its accuracy, or lack thereof. It would produce 8 to 10 inch groups at 100 yards on a typical day, and sometimes much worse. I installed Millett micrometer sights, which gave a much more precise sight picture with, unfortunately, no improvement in accuracy. I had the muzzle crown redone with no improvement either.
I heard of the Accu-Strut on this forum, ordered one and installed it. Groups seemed to be much improved but the strut slipped forward after only a couple of shots, even when LocTited in place according to the instructions.
I wanted a permanent solution to the problem, so I took the rig to my gunsmith and had him drill the strut and gas block and install a large roll pin to anchor the strut in place. He used high temperature LocTite to glue the clamps on. It now looks like this:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/wildhobbybobby/aspin.jpg
I took it out to the range a few days ago to try it out, and lo and behold, my first 5-shot group was 2.79 inches at 100 yards with iron sights (and 59-year old eyes).
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/wildhobbybobby/ast.jpg
Needless to say, the old Mini-14 is MUCH more interesting now than it was in the pre-AccuStrut age. Thanks kkinka!
Hey, great mod and great shooting! With iron sights no less. Nice work, my friend.
pharroutpc
09-08-2007, 15:09
I got my mini with AccuStrut all assembled up and you can see pix in this thread ---> http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=59166 Maybe Ill have my range report together by Wednesday or Thursday when I have a day off.Thanks bunches kkina! :)
pharroutpc
09-13-2007, 05:42
Well....the big "range test" of mine was an absolute suk-fest. My pistols' mag catch broke and now my mags wont latch, my Masen 20rd mag quit feeding properly, had some dental work done a few days ago that decided to get inflamed and my AccuStrut wanted to shimmy on down the barrel. The suk part of the strut moving is my fault as there were one or two extra steps I could have taken to prevent it. Some good did come from all this. The strut did its job until it broke free and started to creep. My groups did get cut in half right away. There was no more hot barrel stringing either which plagued my mini to death. I would like to add that there was quite a bit of rapid firing just to see if I could make it (AccuStrut) move. I put probably 150 rounds through it until the strut had moved enough for me to call it quits as I had no loctite and my torque gauge was at home. I definately love the AccuStrut! I just gotta do my thing and get her on there strong enough to where she wont move anymore. Im thinking of some slight roughing to the insides of the clamps and maybe a little more loctight than I had previously used. I really dont think I torqued the clamps down quite tight enough though I know not to over tighten them. I will be able to come up with something more on the scientific side once I am healthy again and have my mess together
Sorry you had such a rough day, but sounded like ths strut basically worked. I'd avoid any major mods, the clamp upgrade currently being manufactured will solve the migrating strut problem completely.
pharroutpc
09-13-2007, 13:46
Sorry you had such a rough day, but sounded like ths strut basically worked. I'd avoid any major mods, the clamp upgrade currently being manufactured will solve the migrating strut problem completely.
Meh.....no big deal. Ill wait for the new clamps if the price is right...but, I may do like that one fellow and have a smithy shoot me a hole through the strut and gas block and install a pin to hold it on. I am thinking of other ways as well as I was once was a tool maker in an aluminum extrusion plant and had learned many different ways of bonding different metals in temporary and permanant ways. It wont be anything that damages the strut though. The main slipping point was on the barrel and not the strut. :D
pick up a tube of loctite high temp sleeve retainer. item # 64000. clean & degrease the clamps, barrel, & strut. apply the loctite & let it cure. my strut hasn't budged over many 100's of rounds. even with a smokin hot barrel. ( which is hard to avoid with the mini.)
pharroutpc
09-14-2007, 11:59
pick up a tube of loctite high temp sleeve retainer. item # 64000. clean & degrease the clamps, barrel, & strut. apply the loctite & let it cure. my strut hasn't budged over many 100's of rounds. even with a smokin hot barrel. ( which is hard to avoid with the mini.)
Okay.....Ill give it a try and we will see how it goes. I was even thinking about maybe not drilling a hole through the gas block but maybe just "dimples" big enough for two set screws, one on each side, to hold it but I will go for the loctite first. Can I get this particular loctite from Lowes or an auto parts store like Advance or AutoZone? I used the kind that came with the strut and it was a funky green color. I'd like to point out that when the barrel got hot I noticed the loctite was oozing and I had let it cure for over 3 days before I had taken it out to the range. I didnt put lots of loctite on the clamps so I found it kinda odd when it started oozing from the sides of the clamp. Is silver solder no go for this kind of thing? Ive heard people use it for front sites and things like that. I had thought of maybe using the silver solder on the broken mag catch I spoke of either in this thread or another but didnt trust its strength. Bah......Im going to get some high temp loctite #64000. Thanks for the help :D
The Loctite supplied with the strut IS a high-temp sleeve retainer formula, but it is still an anaerobically-cured compound. If you use too much, there will be uncured material that will ooze off during heating.
Kkina is correct. the most important thing is totally degreasing the surfaces. brake clean does an excellent job. any grease or residue will affect how the Loctite bonds.
pharroutpc
09-15-2007, 05:22
Kkina is correct. the most important thing is totally degreasing the surfaces. brake clean does an excellent job. any grease or residue will affect how the Loctite bonds.
Well....I can say that is something I made certain to do. All surfaces were degreased with a degreasing, fast evap solvent and then I used 70% ISO after that since it was a bit higher alcohol concentrate than the swabs. There may be a chance I used too little loctite <_<
don't be afraid to tighten those clamps, either. they are engineered to be virtually impossible to over tighten. Kkina can supply torque specs.
Vicious-Peanut
10-06-2007, 20:12
Any info on the new clamps? Mine has been walking pretty bad.
Any info on the new clamps? Mine has been walking pretty bad.
I know, I know. :D The order is still with the machinist, then they go to the finishing plant.
BTW, it's not an entirely new clamp, it's upgrade parts to the existing clamp design.
pharroutpc
10-07-2007, 03:47
Well.....after redoing thr whole installation and roughing the surface only slightly...the strut no longer moves. I can say the loctite had a whole 2 weeks to cure also. I havent had any offdays here lately to do any shooting at the range but I did manage to crank off a good hundred or so rounds with no movement. Im pretty sure problem is solved. Now I just need a few more goodies to finish her (mini) off. This 6 days a week work is for the birds.
armoredman
10-07-2007, 10:28
Interesting looking device. Expensive for me right now,but maybe after the next promotion I should get one. Very interesting, good idea.
so i don't have to remove the strut? i really like the way it shoots now. but i trust your knowledge & will purchase the upgrade when available.
so i don't have to remove the strut? i really like the way it shoots now. but i trust your knowledge & will purchase the upgrade when available.
No, if you are careful you do not have to actually remove the strut to upgrade.
cqbinkalifornia
10-10-2007, 13:32
Do you have any idea or estimate when we might be looking for its arrival:ar15:?
Too bad no one makes stainless clamps:angry:. I have a real bad stainless steel fetish:wacko:.
Thanks,
CQB in Kalifornia
Do you have any idea or estimate when we might be looking for its arrival:ar15:?
Too bad no one makes stainless clamps:angry:. I have a real bad stainless steel fetish:wacko:.
Thanks,
CQB in Kalifornia
I got into way too much trouble estimating production schedules before. I do know how frustrating it is.
cqbinkalifornia
10-10-2007, 14:02
no worries :)
no worries :)
Dang, you guys are so great.
Just to let you know, too, a lot goes on behind the scenes that takes boatloads of time. For instance, didja know that we borrow elements of Milspec testing on strut design that was used on Stealth bomber technology? Does take time.
Do you have any idea or estimate when we might be looking for its arrival:ar15:?
Too bad no one makes stainless clamps:angry:. I have a real bad stainless steel fetish:wacko:.
Thanks,
CQB in Kalifornia
Me too! :rolleyes:
Me too! :rolleyes:
So noted. But not a trivial redesign, so won't be happening any time soon.
faawrenchbndr
10-10-2007, 17:57
Kkina,
Would there be any poor side effects if a guy were to have the AccuStrut coated? This way a individual could have a stainless looking finish with the standard AccuStrut. Any ideas?
That's cool... I've seen the pics of the blue version on a stainless rifle and it don't look bad.
If I get to itching too bad I'll just get it. ;)
Kkina,
Would there be any poor side effects if a guy were to have the AccuStrut coated? This way a individual could have a stainless looking finish with the standard AccuStrut. Any ideas?
Not worth the effort. The stainless lot is actually not THAT far off from delivery. The internal seals were not designed to withstand some kind of aggresive plating process, so I would not recommend it. (Also, the Accu-strut can not be disassembled).
Oh, heck, let me just post the single engineering qual sample I have on my desk here just to prove it really exists ;) (Please note that this is pre-finished, i.e. the final product will be less shiny and match the Ruger finish more exactly)....
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/kkina/Perfect%20Union/Stainlessblank.jpg
faawrenchbndr
10-11-2007, 02:14
So you would not recommend plating, but, coating like GunCoat would be fine?
So you would not recommend plating, but, coating like GunCoat would be fine?
I haven't tried it, what temperature is GunKote cured at?
In all fairness, I've just moved another thread that was vendor-specific aftermarket content to the vendor area. If there's a lot of talk in the thread about Mini-14's and so forth, or comparing parts performance on Mini's, that sort of thing, we can leave the threads here, but if the strong majority of the content in a thread is just talking about the aftermarket part itself, news, updates, customer service questions, and the like, it should probably be in the vendor's forum area. Since the very title of the thread is "Accustrut News", with updates about issues and so forth, it seems like this one is focused mostly on Accustrut so should live in the NEST Engineering forum that manufactures Accustrut.
I'll move this thread to Kkina's vendor forum now, but leave a permanent "redirect" here in the Mini area so folks can still see it until they get used to looking for it in the vendor area.
Looks fine, Tim, I think it's more logical to have everything all in one place anyway.
I just looked up the specs on GunKote. It's cured at 300F, well under the operating range of the Accu-strut. Though I've never tried it, theoretically would work. Try at your own risk, however.
Just FYI, I followed this same approach for a similar item on the part called "HarBar" that showed up in the Mini forum. I guess the basic guideline is, any discussion that is mostly focused on the vendor or the part itself is better placed in the vendor's forum. But if there's a significant amount of a thread that's about the part as it's used on a Mini, then the Mini forum is the right place. Not a hard and fast distinction, obviously, but it'll help us be more consistent with how we treat ALL vendors, and also give us good grounds for excluding all those other guys that want to post what are essentially ads or spam in high traffic areas like the Mini-14 forum.
Hello! I'll try to answer your questions.
"What about problems with the barrel heating up?" Although the strut does help with limiting barrel warp due to heat, a better solution I find is to have your bbl cryo-treated. Cryopro will do it for $35.
"I have seen on this site, rings used as dampeners on barrels. Would they produce harmonic problems with the strut? There would be the benefit of the rings soaking up the heat, acting as a heat sink, like the fins on an amplifier - you increase surface area to volume ratio. Any other ideas would be great." Hard to say, as I've never tried it. Harmonics are a tricky science. You can theorize all day, but in the end, you simply have to run the experiment.
"Second question, I dont feed my mini-14 different types of ammo, I feed it the military (thinks its the ss109 penetrator) rounds. Practice like you fight type deal. With a muzzle brake and an aimpoint I can turn a 10x10x3/8 piece of welding plate into swiss cheese obliterated to all hell. Groups start stacking on top of one another. Anyway, since I always feed it surplus, which it loves, do you know of any Accu-Strut results with Mil-ammo, and any strut tuning changes along with it?"
Mil-surp ammo is, of course, a far cry from match-grade ammo, but sometimes it can surprise you. I've actually had better luck with the older M193 cartridge (maybe due to the lighter weight, 55 vs. 62 gr). Some results we've seen with the Mini and Accu-strut:
M193 1.2-2" 4-shot groups, 2.25-2.5" 5-shot groups
M855 3" groups
I've got more of the M855 to test, but as you can see, my mini doesn't seem to like it much. Without the strut, though, I think it was more like 6" groups!
I'm not sure what you mean by strut-tuning, the Accu-strut can not be tuned. If you change from one ammo to another, you may have to adjust sighting for point-of-impact change, as with anything else.
Hope this info helps!
Ahh, got you. Well, I have never seen any evidence that moving the forward clamp around changes performace in any way. Several other people have also tried, and no-one has ever reported any difference.
The rear clamp is a slightly different story. I have seen best results with the clamp seated all the way back. A couple people like a slight gap between it and the gasblock. It's easy enough to experiment with your mini to see which it likes. Let us know how it goes.
Drakejake
10-26-2007, 19:46
Over a year ago (IIRC) I made a strut following the instructions of kkina. I shot 22 rounds through the rifle today (at short range). As in my previous outings with the rifle after the strut was installed, my impression was that I was getting no fliers and that the point of impact did not move around when the barrel got hot. I think this thing helps Mini 14 accuracy, although I have not done the detailed, extensive tests that kkina and others have performed.
Drakejake
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