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countrysmith
01-21-2007, 11:57
Hello
I would like to introduce my self my name is Philip and i run a gun shop in Canada, and my partner runs a tool and die shop. I have had many years experience working with guns and my partner is a master tool and die operator. He has a full machine shop with everything from your basic lathes and mills to high end EDM and CNC machines.
We are looking for some feed back especially from people from Canada on what they would like to see in the mini 14 accurizing market. We can offer anything the mind can think up. We have been making lots of prototypes for things like barrel shrouds, custom gas blocks and triggers. Our prototypes have all been milled and cut as a custom item. We would like to offer our products as a production product. We would like to hear what you guys like and want, what kind of prices you are willing to pay etc.
We have been working with a barrel shroud/harmonic stabilizer that has a built in muzzle break or flash hider and would like to know what kind of $$$ you are willing to spend and what you would like to see.
we have a gunstock duplicator, so if you would like us to look into a custom line of after market gunstock, just tell us what you like.
we are looking forward to what you have to say and will look at the responses as a whole and detemine the direction we will take from them.
thanks alot
Do you have any pictures or concept drawings to look at? That a good idea for the folks up north.
countrysmith
01-21-2007, 23:18
we have a website that we are making right now. and hope to have it up and running soon. it will have all our pics and concept drawings. i just got a mini 14 in the shop this week and will be updating with pics and info. the mini that we got shoots at best 4" groups at 100yds.
i have seen that alot of people have been looking at my post but not leaving any feedback. please leave anything. just tell us what you are looking for and what you like.
steve4102
01-22-2007, 06:12
OK, how about this. A few weeks back there was some interest here on a Barrel Tuner (BOSS). ASI has a nice thread on tuner, but the price is kinda high. Brownell's has a tuner that does not require threading the barrel, but some say it will not stay in place. Do you have any Barrel Tuners?
+1, yeah what Steve said. Also, after seeing the new Mini14 Target rifle how about a simple slideing barrel weight tuner like the new Target rifle except sized for the stock mini barrel?
texastom
01-22-2007, 09:04
I agree on the tuner, however, the factory version seems like a mickey mouse way to do it. It is a little insulting that Ruger comes out with a such a cheap (IMHO) solution using 3 set screws.
It should have indexing lines and not require scarring the barrel repeatedly when changing settings. Not sure if there is a good way to attach without threading, but that's why ther gunsmiths and machinists are in business...
I just bought a Henrich biathlon stabalizer for $65 but I have not mounted yet. I hope to get out and test this week but I want to compare with the strut I use now. The stabalizer is held with a socket bolt on either side that clamps to the barrel. I thought it would have 2 on each side, I'll see how it works. The tuner muzzle break idea sounds good.
+1 on the idea of some kind of tuner or adjustable barrel weight solution. Whatever solution is tried, I hope that it will be indexible, so when you find settings that work they will be repeatable.
I'd especially follow up on Steve's mention of the thread about the adjustable muzzle brake (tuner) we discussed that Brownells has. Here's the link to it again:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1540&title=ADJUSTABLE+MUZZLE+BRAKE[/URL]
Question is, do you believe a way could be found to mount this thing FIRMLY on a Mini-14? One of our other reputable smiths here believes that could be a challenge (not getting it on, but getting it to STAY on). Apparently, ASI is using this very device and mounting it, they call it a "tuneable boss system", described here:
[url]http://www.accuracysystemsinc.com/ruger_mini_14_30.html (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1540&title=ADJUSTABLE+MUZZLE+BRAKE)
I think if an affordable solution for mounting this thing could be found, and if it will stay on, a LOT of people would be interested in it. ASI is charging $240 to mount it, and $40 more to remount your front site = $280. Brownells is charging $190 just for the device alone. That gives an idea of the price parameters.
countrysmith
01-22-2007, 18:18
sounds great thanks for the ideas, please more.
we have been working on a prototype that will mount either a "boss" system that we have designed our selves or a barrel shroud on the gun with out Changing or modifying the barrel.
And it will stay put. We have made one but want to make darn sure it does not move before we offer it to you guys. We only want to see something that works.
I would like some feed back on what you think about a barrel harmonic stabilizer with a built in muzzle break or flash hider. And what kind of muzzel break or flash hider you would like to se on it??
I would like some feed back on what you think about a barrel harmonic stabilizer with a built in muzzle break or flash hider. And what kind of muzzel break or flash hider you would like to se on it??
Everyone will want something different on this. Personally, I have no need for a flash hider OR muzzle brake, but would love to get an indexible device (the Brownells one would be great, and it doesn't look as ugly as a lot of them do) mounted well on my barrel so it wouldn't come off. I suppose the challenge with these things is, similar to a compensator, once you get them on, how do you keep clean around your muzzle to prevent excessive carbon build-up which eventually wrecks your accuracy? On my gun, that crud on the muzzle crown gets so bad after a couple of shooting sessions, I have to remove the brake and scrub for a long time with a bronze bore brush to get it all off, I cannot just stick a toothbrush in there and get it clean.
OK, here is my idea of a workable & tune-able quiet brake.
Start with a muzzle sleeve that will have a quiet type brake threaded on the muzzle end. With this threaded brake one should be able to place tension on the barrel. Compression or pulling, which ever works best. It must be done in a manner that will allow easy removal of the brake for cleaning and also to torque it back on to maintain repeatability.
Utilizing a threaded pair of rods, run the length of the sleeve, you should be able to move a "pivot weight" inside the sleeve. This moveable and fixable weight will allow the shooter to find the sweet spot for that particular gun. This movable pivot will have to be adjustable from the exterior but can be done thru one of the ports in the muzzle.
It might be best to thread a device just infront of the gas block that can be adjusted via spanner to apply tension to the sleeve.
Now you will have a quieter shooting gun with the advantages of the muzzle brake plus adjustablility via two points. Tension on the sleeve and adjusting position of the weighted pivot point.
Build it out of stainless steel and off powder coated black ones for those with blued barrels.
Offer a cryotreated and carbon fiber wrapped premium & hand lapped barrel that would only require an adjustable and larger diameter gas port and modified hand cover over the barrel to match the "stock" lower half. Black
There can be a huge market for this as you keep the weight down, you increase accuracy to 1/2" moa. Offer only the quiet type, cleanable muzzle brake for those who feel the need.
Barrel lengths should be standard 18.5", 20" & 24" for varmit hunters. Barrel twist should be 1-8 to stabilize the heaver premium hunting bullets like Barnes X.
texastom
01-22-2007, 20:50
+1 for Hogwilds carbon bbl idea. I have two Volquartsens of similar design, one for 22 mag and one for 17 mach 2. Both are tack drivers.
Countrysmith - Make sure to check regulations before selling tuners and brakes over here. In the US, I can't make these parts for sale unless they have been evaluated by the BATFE Firearms Technology Branch in Virgina, to have them classified as flash hiders or muzlebrakes based on the BATFE's criteria. As an imported part I don't know what the process would be, but check to make sure you don't run afoul of the laws here. I look forward to seeing your work and your parts. Maybe you'll make the parts the bigger boys won't and we'll get some great Mini's.
jumpluff
01-23-2007, 15:45
I am probably the only dang fool on the planet that feels this way....but you said "talk to us"....so here I go! :o
I lost interest in the Target Mini when I found that it had no iron sights. I like the thought of a more accurate, heavy barrel mini...for punching paper or plinking...and I most likely would use a scope on it from time to time....but won't lay down my cash for one....given that it has no "back up" iron sights. So if there are others who feel likewise....and there probably aren't....how about iron sights for the
Target Mini?
How about an iron sight that would slip on in place of the barrel tuner...or in front of it....and some sort of peep sight that would attach to the ruger sight mount...either the rear one...or utilizing both....or perhaps that could be inserted into the rear or pair of Ruger scope rings? :wacko:
Oh goodie....here comes the nurse with my little blue pills....getting sleepy.....zzzzzz ;)
Didn't Choate make a clamp on bayonet lug and stopped when the ban came effective. Has any one made one since? I would have to think this could be used as a tuner. Also the GB style bayonet lug/sight. If it was a little longer could something on this line serve three purposes, as a sight, bayonet lug and tuner ? Put a flash hider on the end and you would have a completely cool rifle. kwg
countrysmith
01-23-2007, 18:06
So what would you prefer?? A device that is threaded on?? Which will give the best holding power as far as moving or slipping off, but if you are in the USA you will have problems shipping your gun to Canada to be threaded. That is why we want to have a non gunsmith product. So we are open to our customers in the USA
steve4102
01-23-2007, 21:32
So what would you prefer?? A device that is threaded on?? Which will give the best holding power as far as moving or slipping off, but if you are in the USA you will have problems shipping your gun to Canada to be threaded. That is why we want to have a non gunsmith product. So we are open to our customers in the USA
I guess I would like to know what you have come up with. Do you have a design that will stay in place and not require threading? What do you have that is a "non gunsmith product"???
countrysmith
01-23-2007, 21:38
basiclly with out telling to much it is a cnc made collet design that grips the barrel. the problem that we have found with other "add on's" like this is that there collet is to short. our has a longer surface to grip the gun. this is one proto that we are working with now. we have another that we are testing now that uses set screws and split rings, that when assembled you cant see any screws and gives a clean look. with this proto you can get a really tight grip of the gun.
as we perfect the protos you will be seeing pics of them.
countrysmith
01-26-2007, 16:17
I also have a Duplicator. and was wounder if there is any intrest in custom gunstocks?? I could make them out of hard wood or laminate. We have been working on a prototype stock that has a built in aluminum bedding system that is part of the stock. It takes the place on the two screws and the piece that they hold. We are still working on it and have not made it a high priority item. If you feel this is something you would like to see we could spend some more time on it.
Is this something that is of intrest??
I'm not sure what it is called. I call it a reinforcement sleeve that fits inside of the Ruger Mini stock and screws to the stock via the two outside visible screws on the side of the stock. Could a sleeve be developed that is formed to fit the contours of the Mini receiver that would in effect bed the receiver just by installing it in the stock and dropping the receiver in and when the two screws are tightened the stock/receiver become solid? This way the entire stock is not replaced but just the reinforcement sleeve. This sounds more afordable. kwg
As a "soon to be" Mini-14 owner I have searched for good looking/working muzzle brakes / flash hiders for the new models of the Mini-14 Ranch Rifles.
I would love to find a brake / flash hider that looks like the Chaote M14 style, but without the front sight, just to slip on and attache with the roll pin.
2rangers
01-27-2007, 10:24
Countrysmith-
One word-Trantorque GT, made by a company called fenner drives. It's a type of collet that squeezes I.D., Expands O.D.. Great for attaching stuff to a barrel. No set screws, no pressure points on the barrel, just an even grip applied circumferentially(sp?).
Check out my sleeve in the mini gallery. It works, in spades. Does require threading, for the full effect, but for just mounting a brake or 'hider, no threading needed.
Maybe there are some ideas in those gallery posts you can use.
Run w/ it, and let's see what comes out of it.
Have fun, and best of luck!
:sniper:
BTW- Looking for some enfield parts. Think you might have some? PM me.
countrysmith
01-27-2007, 11:25
do you have a link to the pic of your collets??
steve4102
01-27-2007, 11:32
do you have a link to the pic of your collets??
http://www.fennerdrives.com/keyless_bushings/trantorque_gt.asp
countrysmith
01-27-2007, 11:35
yes i found that one (http://www.fennerdrives.com/keyless_...ntorque_gt.asp
) but i was looking for the pic that 2rangers put up in the mini 14 gallery. if you could send a link to that pic it would help
Here ya go countrysmith, http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=45405, that link should show the way to 2rangers gallery post. While I've got your ear there's one more item you may want to consider. After thinking about the shop and equipment you have along with your partners machine shop and tool and die experiance why don't you work up an after market bolt for us? This is the one thing Ruger keeps from us, requireing shipping the rifle to the factory for any bolt work, much less replaceing one. If we have a bolt break it's off to the factory. If we send it in there's no telling if we'll get it back shooting like it did before the problem. It would be so nice if we could buy a new bolt and take it to our gunsmith of choice and have it fitted...............:rolleyes:
countrysmith
02-03-2007, 15:51
that is a good idea and something we have thought about, but how often is a after market bolt needed??? also there might be some problems with shipping the bolt into the usa. if we get enough demand for it we could consider it.
Countrysmith said;
also there might be some problems with shipping the bolt into the usa.
I keep forgeting you are in Canada, and for a fact it could be a problem. As to how often an aftermarket bolt might be needed? Well I guess that is a hard one to answer, unless you've ever had a need for one. For a lot of guys the mini is our SHTF gun. Without the bolt it's not much use unless you have a bayonet lug and something to put on it. Several people have had to send their rifles in and had an extra bolt fitted and sent back with it. I know of one for sure who had one of those nightmare problems after sending the mini to Ruger for bolt work. When he got it back the MOA shooter he sent in was a scatter gun when he got it back........
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