mini 14 modification to 6,8 SPC

[Carnefix]

Hi,
I found a gunsmith here in germany who is willing to modigy a mini 14 ranch SS to 6,8 Rem SPC. He said, it is only necessary to change the barrel and Chamber and open the "Head of the interlocking" to fit for the bigger 6.8 base.
Do you think there is something more we should regard before? Magazine should be the same as for 223.
Thank you!

[ECVMatt]

It might just be better to wait on one from the factory. It would be easier to have serviced if something didn't quite work right.

You could either just buy a new one or sell you old one and then put the money toward the new one.

Hope this helps you out,

Matt

[Carnefix]

It might just be better to wait on one from the factory. It would be easier to have serviced if something didn't quite work right.

You could either just buy a new one or sell you old one and then put the money toward the new one.

Hope this helps you out,

Matt
No, because I would like to be one of the first.
No, because if something doesn´t work I have a 5 year guarantee.
No, because it would be a unique rifle.
No, because I just can´t wait until they are available here in germany...

But thank you! Rational and economical analyzing: it is nonsens, as my whole shooting hobby...

[Rmitch223]

What is the benefits of the 6.8 SPC over the .223 ?

[timlt]

What is the benefits of the 6.8 SPC over the .223 ?

It's a heavier round, with greater knockdown power and a greater range (by greater range, I mean it can maintain a higher degree of energy in ft/lbs over a greater distance than .223 can). Yet it has mild recoil compared to other similar-sized calibers. It is being considered by the military as an upgrade to the 5.56/.223 round, because it would give them a more powerful round that could be used for longer range shooting, yet it can still be fired from the existing M16 rifles (with a few modifications similar to those discussed above). It is also a nice medium-sized game hunting round.

[P-Shooter]

Rmitch, I can add a few points here, I am pretty sure the 6.8mm shoots 270 caliber bullets. This round was originally designed by military men, A sargent and buddies, I think but I don't remember the branch of service. It looked promising enough that Remington helped developed it. I twould be real interesting if the military adopted it, but I would be surprised, because the military still uses the 7.62 Nato also, which as you know is the civilian .308 Winchester.

[tri70]

I would add a heavier barrel, I think the mini 14 barrel is too much for the thin barrel. I'd order a blank in the 6.8 caliber and have it cut to fit and chambered.

-tri

[P-Shooter]

tri70, I agree with the Mini-14 barrel being small in diameter. It works but it sure seems too skinny to most of us. I am still becoming stubborn about trying to make mine shoot better. It is suppose to warm up here in a couple of days so I am ready. Once you change a Mini-14 to a heavier barrel and modify the operating rod etc. to fit the bigger diameter of a heavier barrel, I am sure that Ruger would not feel liable to service a new Mini under warranty, if it still was in warranty. Now I am wondering what the warranty policy is, I forgot, need to read the manual again.

[P-Shooter]

Carnefix, Has this gunsmith done any barrel changes on Mini-14s before? I know it can be done but there is also the indexing of the gas port in the proper location for which Ruger no doubt has computer controlled machining and or jigs for this to get everything in its proper relationship. That is the most important question I would have. This kind of work requires the better gunsmiths in my humble opinion.

[P-Shooter]

ECVMatt,

If Ruger makes them? I wonder if they will be a "sell only to the military item".

[ECVMatt]

so I hope they have them out for us regular guys to shoot and have fun with. I am a stock owner in Ruger and my latest update from them suggest a new dirrection in terms of being more customer focused. They hinted that some long standing, not profitable items would be dropped and new items added. They said they were going to be more aggressive in their sales of firearms.

I would hope that they sell 10 round and Hi-Cap mags in the future. This would be a gold mine for the company. We will see.

Have a great day,

Matt

[ECVMatt]

http://www.accuracysystemsinc.com/ruger_mini_prices.html

if you go about 1/2 way down, they convert to 6.8 SPC. This is going to be a great rifle when Ruger comes out with it or if ASI makes one for you,

Matt

[Carnefix]

Carnefix, Has this gunsmith done any barrel changes on Mini-14s before? I know it can be done but there is also the indexing of the gas port in the proper location for which Ruger no doubt has computer controlled machining and or jigs for this to get everything in its proper relationship. That is the most important question I would have. This kind of work requires the better gunsmiths in my humble opinion.

Yes, my gunsmith is experienced in barrel changes and he claims the position of the gas port is even in original ruger, in relation to the rifling, different from gun to gun. In addition i believe in solid handwork of a good gunsmith.

[Carnefix]

http://www.accuracysystemsinc.com/ruger_mini_prices.html

if you go about 1/2 way down, they convert to 6.8 SPC. This is going to be a great rifle when Ruger comes out with it or if ASI makes one for you,

Matt

This would be my first choice, but to import a gun to germany is quite a lot of bureaucracy. So I ordered the Gas Block and and parts from Carl and the gunsmith fits it with the Lothar Walter barrel. Carl said, it is not possible to make the barrel thicker than 0,750 because the gas pressure is in 6,8 to low to operate the gun. Now I have the choice to make the barrel distal to to gas block thicker to 0.850 or to let it at 0,750 inches.
I don´t know if the plus in diameter at the end results in higher accuracy.

[hm2 clark]

The 6.8SPC is a big improvment over the 5.56 but ...Have you looked at the 6.5 Grendel?

[Carnefix]

The 6.8SPC is a big improvment over the 5.56 but ...Have you looked at the 6.5 Grendel?

Yes and I think it has no improvement for me (hunting limit 200m).

[P-Shooter]

If the 6.8 does get adopted by the military?, that would end up a big boost for eventually being able to buy surplus military brass. This is always a plus.

Also, I have seen other references to 200 meters as it applies to hunting on your side of the big pond. Can you explain for us what this is about?

[guncats]

The 6.8 has high pressure and more energy than the 7.62x39, are you sure the mini-14/30's locking system will have enough strength? Just because 6.8 worked on an AR doesn't mean it will work on a mini, the mini-14/30 is NOT the same as the 308 XGI ..... :blink:

Now this is how Ruger will make a 6.8 mini: they can beef up the receiver lugs and make the channel narrower, so it will only work with a single stack proprietory Ruger mag (don't even think about using the mini-14 mags guys). That way Ruger can easily restric the mag cap to 3-4 rds. Since the mag will be single stacked it won't make sense to make high caps for it, a 15rd 6.8 Ruger mag will be as long as a 30rd AR mag, that will discourage any attemp of making after market hi-caps for it. Just the way Ruger likes it....:lol: Or they can make it into a fixed mags only configuration, even better.

I think Ruger will definitly go this route AS SOON AS the next gun ban happens. After all, Ruger THRIVES on gun bans :) by the way, will Ruger (the company this time) write a letter to Pelosi suggesting a ban on all detachable mags? It will be easy to convert Ruger rifles into top loading fixed mags, and all the AR's (the mini's main competition) will be out of luck :lol:

Have fun:rolleyes:

[Walkenbear]

Check out link I just posted about Factory Mini in 6.8 SPC
http://perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55654

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[Carnefix]

The 6.8 has high pressure and more energy than the 7.62x39, are you sure the mini-14/30's locking system will have enough strength? Just because 6.8 worked on an AR doesn't mean it will work on a mini, the mini-14/30 is NOT the same as the 308 XGI ..... :blink:

Now this is how Ruger will make a 6.8 mini: they can beef up the receiver lugs and make the channel narrower, so it will only work with a single stack proprietory Ruger mag (don't even think about using the mini-14 mags guys). That way Ruger can easily restric the mag cap to 3-4 rds. Since the mag will be single stacked it won't make sense to make high caps for it, a 15rd 6.8 Ruger mag will be as long as a 30rd AR mag, that will discourage any attemp of making after market hi-caps for it. Just the way Ruger likes it....:lol: Or they can make it into a fixed mags only configuration, even better.

I think Ruger will definitly go this route AS SOON AS the next gun ban happens. After all, Ruger THRIVES on gun bans :) by the way, will Ruger (the company this time) write a letter to Pelosi suggesting a ban on all detachable mags? It will be easy to convert Ruger rifles into top loading fixed mags, and all the AR's (the mini's main competition) will be out of luck :lol:

Have fun:rolleyes:
6,8 SPC 55000 psi
7,62x39 51488 psi
The locking system has enough strength to take that 10%. A have shot the first result made by my gunsmith converting a 14 to 6,8. Only the extractor did not work yet. The original mini 14 20 rd mag feeds 12 to 13 rd in 6,8 without problems.

[jonsidneyb]

I am not sure why anyone is looking at the 6.8, the 6.5 grendel has it beat by every measure.