U.S. military deaths up 22% during ramadan

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i put this in political because i don't think very much of Islam as a religion, and apparently neither do many muslims in Iraq, as they proceed to disregard the basic, traditional behaviours associated with this peaceful, most important holiday in their peaceful religion. hence, the U.S.'s response should be thoroughly political and military, without respect to the religion.

the associated press notes that U.S. deaths in Iraq are up 22% during ramadan. the following is a brief synopsis of the celebration:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan

Eating, drinking, sexual intercourse and smoking are not allowed between dawn (fajr), and sunset (maghrib). During Ramadan, Muslims are also expected to put more effort into following the teachings of Islam as well as refraining from anger, envy, greed, lust, sarcastic retorts, backstabbing and gossip. They are encouraged to read the Qur'an. Sexual intercourse during fasting in the day is not allowed but is permissible after the fast (when referring to sexual intercourse, it is intended to mean with one's spouse alone, as all pre- and extra-marital relations are strictly forbidden in Islam). Obscene and irreligious sights and sounds are to be avoided. Purity of both thought and action is important. The fast is intended to be an exacting act of deep personal worship in which Muslims seek a raised level of closeness to God. The act of fasting is said to redirect the heart away from worldly activities, its purpose being to cleanse the inner soul and free it from harm. Properly observing the fast is supposed to induce a comfortable feeling of peace and calm. It also allows Muslims to practice self-discipline, sacrifice, as well as sympathy for those who are less fortunate, intending to make Muslims more generous and charitable.

i remember when i was over there, we had this same issue with ramadan. all of our civil affairs guys kept going on about how important a holiday this was to muslims, and how we should expect hostilities to all but disappear during this time. of course, they increased. we have sacrificed a great deal to bring these people into the 21st century, and they simply don't desire it. we need to set a fair date, and not leave a day after. or maybe just start publicly executing captured insurgents. i actually think, with their mentality, they would respond positively to that.

[chrisb]

It is a disgrace to the 'religion of peace'. They step up the attacks during their most holy time.:wacko:

We ought to do the same thing. Ramadan should mean nothing to our military. It obviously means nothing to the Muslims.

[Boogyman]

It is a disgrace to the 'religion of peace'. They step up the attacks during their most holy time.:wacko:

We ought to do the same thing. Ramadan should mean nothing to our military. It obviously means nothing to the Muslims.
What is it with people that lump all Muslims into one big "terrorist" category?

This violence is cause by Islamic extremists that make up less than one percent of the world's Muslim population, yet you demonize an entire religion because of them.

Ever notice how murder, violent crime and suicides rise sharply around Xmas time in this country? By your simplistic, reactionary "logic" you should condemn all Christians as a "disgrace".

You loosely use words like "they" and "them" as if all Muslims are involved in every attack, then your big "solution" is to turn around and do "the same thing". That's just great. What an intelligent and well thought philosophy.

It's exactly this kind of BS that turns the entire Islamic world against the US. And guess what? There are a hell of a lot more Muslims in the world than there are Americans. Wake up.

[plinky]

This violence is cause by Islamic extremists that make up less than one percent of the world's Muslim population,.

I was wondering where you get your "statistics":wacko:

[chrisb]

I am sick of the 'religion of peace' crap. Islam is the most violent religion ever seen on this earth, and has been since it's inception. It is responsible for every major conflict on the planet right now. You can be their apologist all you want. The religion preaches death to those that oppose it. Call me simplistic. You can sit up their on your moral relativist throne and look down at the rest of us as your throat is slit. Islam needs to be reformed. Until it is, it will continue to be the enemy of peace that it is now. It is not a religion only. It is a political system as well. The Prophet taught that you should do three things with everyone in the world.

1. Convert them.
2. If they chose not to convert let them live as your slaves.
3. Chop there heads off.

The imams preach this, and the extremists act it out.

When I see we should do the same thing. I mean we should treat Ramadan like any other month. We should hunt down the murderers and kill them with everything we have.

[Boogyman]

I was wondering where you get your "statistics":wacko:
Plinky, if you would take your hate-blinders off and do a little fact-finding on your own, I wouldn't have to do it for you.

Bear with me now....

Total number of Muslims in the world are estimated at between 1.2 and 1.6 BILLION. http://muslim-canada.org/muslimstats.html

The number of active radical Islamic extremists is estimated at less than 300,000. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/terror_report_orgs.html

You do the math.

[chrisb]

How many of that 1.6 billion support the actions of the radicals?

[Boogyman]

How many of that 1.6 billion support the actions of the radicals?
Why don't you tell me? I'm tired of doing research disproving lazy people's BS.

What's your point anyway? There's a big difference whether somebody "supports" something and actually goes out and does it themselves.

Take you, for example. You seem to support killing and torturing Muslims. Go for it, dude.

Tough talk, is all it is.

Your hatred and paranoia blinds you:
I am sick of the 'religion of peace' crap. Islam is the most violent religion ever seen on this earth, and has been since it's inception. It is responsible for every major conflict on the planet right now. You can be their apologist all you want. The religion preaches death to those that oppose it. Call me simplistic.
You are simplistic. :lol:
You can sit up their on your moral relativist throne and look down at the rest of us as your throat is slit.
It's a rocking chair, and nobody is going to slit my throat on my porch. Use your fear-mongering on someone else.
Islam needs to be reformed.
Now who is sitting on their "moral relativist throne"?

[chrisb]

You are the one making the claim that Islam is the religion of peace. So prove it or shut up.

I am not 'fear-mongering' anyone. I see the threat, you seem to think it is a joke. Typical of people that think like you really. Look at Europe and tell me there is no threat to the West. Without the support of the Islamic street there would be no AQ. So contrary to your simple-minded statements yes whether or not they support the radicals is very important. You don't have to be a suicide bomber to be a radical. All you have to do is agree.:wacko:

Saying Islam needs to be reformed has nothing to do with moral relativism. Maybe you should look up what that means. The moderate branch of the religion needs to rein in the rest. I talk to an Eqyptian Muslim nearly every single day. He agrees that the religion is on the wrong track and needs to be modernized. He also says that they radical element is not just some tiny fraction. A large portion agrees with their message and their tactics.

[Boogyman]

You are the one making the claim that Islam is the religion of peace. So prove it or shut up.
Nowhere in my posts did I make any such claim whatsoever. Prove that I did or shut up. <_<
I am not 'fear-mongering' anyone. I see the threat, you seem to think it is a joke.
Never said it was a joke. Putting words in my mouth again.

And yes, telling me I will get my throat slit is most definitely fear-mongering.
your simple-minded statements
"So prove it or shut up." Now, that's a simple-minded statement. :lol:
Saying Islam needs to be reformed has nothing to do with moral relativism. Maybe you should look up what that means.
You are making a moral judgement based on your relative view of Islam. Moral relativity. Duh. :rolleyes:

[chrisb]

You said that only a small portion of Islam wants to kill us. That is the religion of peace argument. You still have not backed up your statement in the least. If you don't want to accept that you are making the generic 'religion of peace' argument I retract what I said. At any rate, you are making the argument that only a tiny fraction of Islam is radical. That is false.

You missed the point entirely. My point is the radicals want to kill or convert us all. They would just as soon kill you as they would kill me. Your apologizing for Islam at large means nothing to them. It has nothing to do with you being fearful of it. I am not fearful. I believe we will defeat them.

Reform has nothing to do with morals really. I want them to take a less literal approach to the Koran. They want to kill me because I am not a radical Muslim.

[Boogyman]

You said that only a small portion of Islam wants to kill us. That is the religion of peace argument. You still have not backed up your statement in the least. If you don't want to accept that you are making the generic 'religion of peace' argument I retract what I said. At any rate, you are making the argument that only a tiny fraction of Islam is radical. That is false.

You missed the point entirely.
No, you are the one missing the point. The argument I am making is this: It is simplistic, narrow-minded, reactionary nonsense to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a very few radical extremists. Just because terrorists kill people "in the name of Allah" is not the fault of the religion of Islam. By that logic, you must condemn all Christians because some radical idiot blows up an abortion clinic "in the name of God".
It has nothing to do with you being fearful of it.
Give me a break. Where do you come up with this stuff? I'm not the one spreading hate and fear towards Muslims here:
I am sick of the 'religion of peace' crap.

Islam is the most violent religion ever seen on this earth, and has been since it's inception.

The religion preaches death to those that oppose it.

Islam needs to be reformed. Until it is, it will continue to be the enemy of peace that it is now.

we should treat Ramadan like any other month. We should hunt down the murderers and kill them with everything we have.

[chrisb]

I am not spreading hate for anything. I don't hate Muslims. The moderate ones are just fine as far as I am concerned. The religion itself does preach death to the Infidel(anyone that is not Muslim). Talk about spreading hate.:rolleyes: I think your description is false. That is all. I don't care if you call me stupid or not. You are still wrong.

[Boogyman]

I am not spreading hate for anything. I don't hate Muslims. The moderate ones are just fine as far as I am concerned. The religion itself does preach death to the Infidel(anyone that is not Muslim). Talk about spreading hate.:rolleyes: I think your description is false. That is all. I don't care if you call me stupid or not. You are still wrong.
I never called you "stupid". You are wrong, however.

But I still have hope for you... :lol:

[Metalhead]

Deaths of our troops are up for a few reasons in my opinion-1. Our media blabbing about the approval rating's of the Pres. after giving death number's. Not hard to equate number's go up approval goes down. 2. The insurgent's are getting beter in their tactics. I believe the longer we are there the better at taking out our troops they'll become. 3. The insurgents have a cause of protecting their home turf and way of life. Insurgents know if Iraq falls to the U.S. then sooner or later religous leaders will loose a foot hold and become westernized democratic. I guess this religous month proves the dedication.