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Boogyman
10-08-2006, 17:14
"Stay the course"? :angry:

American casualties in Iraq rise sharply

Growing U.S. role in staving off civil war leads to most wounded since 2004

U.S. GIs’ expanded role in trying to maintain security in Baghdad is contributing to the increase in casualties.

Updated: 10:14 p.m. CT Oct 7, 2006
The number of U.S. troops wounded in Iraq has surged to its highest level in nearly two years as American GIs fight block-by-block in Baghdad to try to check a spiral of sectarian violence that U.S. commanders warn could lead to civil war.

Last month, 776 U.S. troops were wounded in action in Iraq, the highest number since the military assault to retake the insurgent-held city of Fallujah in November 2004, according to Defense Department data. It was the fourth-highest monthly total since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

The sharp increase in American wounded — with nearly 300 more in the first week of October — is a grim measure of the degree to which the U.S. military has been thrust into the lead of the effort to stave off full-scale civil war in Iraq, military officials and experts say. Beyond Baghdad, Marines battling Sunni insurgents in Iraq's western province of Anbar last month also suffered their highest number of wounded in action since late 2004.

More than 20,000 U.S. troops have been wounded in combat in the Iraq war, and about half have returned to duty. While much media reporting has focused on the more than 2,700 killed, military experts say the number of wounded is a more accurate gauge of the fierceness of fighting because advances in armor and medical care today allow many service members to survive who would have perished in past wars. The ratio of wounded to killed among U.S. forces in Iraq is about 8 to 1, compared with 3 to 1 in Vietnam.

"These days, wounded are a much better measure of the intensity of the operations than killed," said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The surge in wounded comes as U.S. commanders issue increasingly dire warnings about the threat of civil war in Iraq, all but ruling out cuts in the current contingent of more than 140,000 U.S. troops before the spring of 2007. Last month Gen. John P. Abizaid, the top commander in the Middle East, said "sectarian tensions, if left unchecked, could be fatal to Iraq," making it imperative that the U.S. military now focus its "main effort" squarely on Baghdad.

Thousands of additional U.S. troops have been ordered to Baghdad since July to reinforce Iraqi soldiers and police who failed to halt — or were in some cases complicit in — a wave of hundreds of killings of Iraqi civilians by rival Sunni and Shiite groups.

Appeals for more Iraqi troops
U.S. commanders have appealed for weeks for 3,000 more Iraqi army troops to help secure Baghdad but as of Thursday had received only a few hundred, according to military officials in the Iraqi capital. Mistrust of Iraqi police in Baghdad remains high, Abizaid said. Last week, an Iraqi police brigade with hundreds of officers was removed from duty over its involvement in sectarian killings.

"The Baghdad security plan and the general spiral of operations is driving us to be more active than we have been in recent months," said Michael E. O'Hanlon, a military analyst at the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based think tank. "We have more people on patrols and out of base, so we get more people hurt and killed in firefights," he said, explaining that U.S. military offensives — more than other factors such as shifting enemy tactics — tend to drive the number of American casualties.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15176088/

stevekaw
10-08-2006, 20:58
My heart is very heavy. Things are rapidly spiralling out of control. We helped make this mess, so now do we just walk away?

Damned if I know...

:usa:

jwp
10-09-2006, 03:34
could always nuke the region - lol - not

tri70
10-09-2006, 12:21
Makes you wonder if we were not there if the violence would continue, it was there before we got there just no media to say "look how many people Sadam killed today."

freesw
10-09-2006, 12:40
Look at the Congo, more people killed in that war than in any other war since WWII. CNN's Anderson Cooper has been doing a series on the appalling situation there, but I wonder how many people that are actually in a position to do anything about it are paying attention. Much of Africa is in seriously dire circumstances, and I really wonder if it won't become the next terrorist breeding ground. It is really tragic, a continent rich in natural resources, yet horribly governed, a legacy of the last and in some ways most brutal of the European colonizations, but also of the barbarism that appears to emerge whenever there is a power vaccum, such as during Europe's dark ages, when disease, famine, incursions from outside (Magyars, Vikings) and incessant clan warfare were also the rule. I think a lot more should be done to help Africa, but I don't trust foundations such as Bill Gates' one bit to do it right; they've got "intellectual property" and social engineering agendas that are grossly unjust, bad for the world as a whole, and unacceptable to local and traditional cultures.