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Boogyman
10-01-2006, 00:05
Foley e-mails an open secret in D.C.?

N.Y. lawmaker says he told House Speaker of lurid messages sent to page

Updated: 8:23 p.m. CT Sept 30, 2006
WASHINGTON - Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said Saturday he told Speaker Dennis Hastert months ago about concerns that a fellow GOP lawmaker had sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy. Hastert’s office said aides referred the matter to the proper authorities last fall but they were only told the messages were “over-friendly.”

Reynolds, R-N.Y., was told about e-mails sent by Rep. Mark Foley and is now defending himself from Democratic accusations that he did too little. Foley, R-Fla., resigned Friday after ABC News questioned him about the e-mails to a former congressional page and about sexually suggestive instant messages to other pages.

“The improper communications between Congressman Mark Foley and former House Congressional pages is unacceptable and abhorrent. It is an obscene breach of trust,” Hastert, R-Ill., Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Majority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said in a written statement Saturday evening. “His immediate resignation must now be followed by the full weight of the criminal justice system.”

Confidential hotline set up
The House leaders said it is their duty to ensure House pages are safe. They said they are creating a toll-free hot line for pages and their families to call to confidentially report any incidents, and will consider adopting new rules on communications between lawmakers and pages.

The boy who received the e-mails was 16 in the summer of 2005 when he worked in Congress as a page. After the boy returned to his Louisiana home, the congressman e-mailed him. The teenager thought the messages were inappropriate, particularly one in which Foley asked the teen to send a picture of himself.

The teen’s family contacted their congressman, Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., who then discussed the problem with Reynolds sometime this spring.

“Rodney Alexander brought to my attention the existence of e-mails between Mark Foley and a former page of Mr. Alexander’s,” Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said in a written statement Saturday.

“Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn’t want the matter pursued, I told the speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me,” Reynolds said.

Speaker doesn't remember discussion
Hastert said he does not remember talking to Reynolds about the Foley e-mails, but did not dispute Reynolds’ account.

“While the speaker does not explicitly recall this conversation, he has no reason to dispute Congressman Reynolds’ recollection that he reported to him on the problem and its resolution,” Hastert’s aides said in a preliminary report on the matter issued Saturday.

The report includes a lengthy timeline detailing when they first learned of the worrisome e-mail in the fall of 2005, after a staffer for Alexander told Hastert’s office the family wanted Foley to stop contacting their son. Alexander’s staffer did not share the contents of the e-mail, saying it was not sexual but “over-friendly,” the report says.

ABC News reported Friday that Foley also engaged in a series of sexually explicit instant messages with current and former teenage male pages. In one message, ABC said, Foley wrote to one page: "Do I make you a little horny?"

In another message, Foley wrote, "You in your boxers, too? ... Well, strip down and get naked."

Hastert’s aides referred the matter to the Clerk of the House, and “mindful of the sensitivity of the parent’s wishes to protect their child’s privacy and believing that they had promptly reported what they knew to the proper authorities,” they did not discuss it with others in Hastert’s office — including, apparently, their boss.

After the issue was referred to the clerk, it was passed along to the congressman who oversees the page program, Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill.

Did Foley mislead colleagues?
Shimkus has said he learned about the e-mail exchange in late 2005 and took immediate action to investigate.

He said Foley told him it was an innocent exchange. Shimkus said he warned Foley not to have any more contact with the teenager and to respect other pages.

Democrats charged Reynolds did far too little and said more digging should be done.

“Congressman Reynolds’ inaction in the face of such a serious situation is very troubling, and raises important questions about whether there was an attempt to cover up criminal activity involving a minor to keep it from coming to light before Election Day,” said Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Karen Finney.

New York Democrats hoping to unseat Reynolds blasted the congressman, saying they call into question the Republican’s values.

“Mr. Reynolds knew about these allegedly inappropriate e-mails from a fellow congressman to a minor for months and didn’t lift a finger,” said Blake Zeff, a spokesman for the state Democrats.

A sure-thing no more
Foley’s abrupt departure sent Republicans scrambling for a replacement candidate less than six weeks before midterm elections in which Democrats are making a strong bid to gain control of the House.

Foley, 52, had been a shoo-in for a new term until the e-mail correspondence surfaced in recent days.

His resignation further complicates the political landscape for Republicans, who are fighting to retain control of Congress. Democrats need to win a net of 15 Republican seats to regain the power they lost in 1994.

Florida Republicans planned to meet as soon as Monday to name a replacement in Foley's district, which President Bush won with 55 percent in 2004 and is now in play for November. Though Florida ballots have already been printed with Foley's name and cannot be changed, any votes for Foley will count toward the party's choice.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15063977/

Mannlicher
10-02-2006, 11:33
Republican Shame? I think there is enough shame to go around in Washington DC for both parties.
Lets not forget Barney Frank, Dem Mass, who let his gay lover run a male prostitution ring from his home
Lets not forget Gerry Studds, also from Mass (what is it about that State, that produces so many whack job pols?). Gerry was not only speaking to a male page about sex, but actually doing the lad. Nothing was done about Gerry though.
How about William Jefferson Clinton, Dem, President. Despite his protestations that "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lowenski", we all know he did. She was in intern also, if I recall.

Those in glass houses, really should refrain from tossing rocks.............

Zen900
10-02-2006, 12:04
Republican Shame? I think there is enough shame to go around in Washington DC for both parties.
Lets not forget Barney Frank, Dem Mass, who let his gay lover run a male prostitution ring from his home
Lets not forget Gerry Studds, also from Mass (what is it about that State, that produces so many whack job pols?). Gerry was not only speaking to a male page about sex, but actually doing the lad. Nothing was done about Gerry though.
How about William Jefferson Clinton, Dem, President. Despite his protestations that "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lowenski", we all know he did. She was in intern also, if I recall.

Those in glass houses, really should refrain from tossing rocks.............

Mannlicher I agree. Put Rep Foley in jail. What Foley did doesn't mean it's time to raise taxes and eliminate the 2nd Amendment.

Mannlicher
10-02-2006, 12:42
.........and how could I forget about Dem CongressKritter Mel Reynolds? He was having sex with a 16 year old female campaign worker. He was guilty of bank fraud, was indicted for other crimes, and yet...........and yet................ he was pardoned by Bill Clinton, and hired by Action Jackson as a YOUTH COUNSELOR at Rainbow. Go figure.

Olds
10-02-2006, 16:56
Hey Guys,

This should not be Rs verses Ds. If someone is gay then be gay. Don't be close to my age or an adult and try to stick it to some 16 year old kid.... That should be just flat out wrong no matter what side of the fence someone sits on.

Just make sure my point is clear... If you are an adult don't have or try to have sex with a non-adult!

It is wrong... just flat out wrong... period.

Personally I have always been a R... and my closing comment is the same as if he was a D... Fry that Son Of A Bitch in slow oil. Or better yet send him to a real prison where he meets.... Da Man"!
//SIGNED//
Olds

Boogyman
10-02-2006, 18:39
Republican Shame? I think there is enough shame to go around in Washington DC for both parties
So you are reduced to defending the Republicans by trying to say the Democrats are no better?

Pathetic. :rolleyes:
How about William Jefferson Clinton
Yeah, yeah, Clinton again. But cheating on your wife with another consenting adult is not illegal, is it?
Those in glass houses, really should refrain from tossing rocks
Huh? I wasn't aware of any Libertarians accused of sex predation... :wacko:

cowboy117
10-02-2006, 18:47
Sure was nice and quiet for a few hours,hey?:rolleyes:

Boogyman
10-02-2006, 18:48
What Foley did doesn't mean it's time to raise taxes and eliminate the 2nd Amendment.
So you'd rather have child predators being protected in Congress than pay a little more in taxes?

"Eliminate" the 2nd amendment? What fantasy world are you living in?

All the presidents, congressmen and senators for the last 230 years have not been able to do that. "The Democrats will take our guns!" is a pretty lame justification for keeping corrupt Republicans in office.

Mannlicher
10-03-2006, 14:02
Just keep building your strawmen boogyman. Keep on spinning.
No one listens to your silly posturing anyway.

Zen900
10-03-2006, 14:23
The stock market reached its highest point ever in history today only 5 years after 9-11. The Dems desperately want to hide that fact in the background. I never heard of Foley till this week and he's no longer in office. The stock market is here to stay.

freesw
10-04-2006, 13:47
The stock market reached its highest point ever in history today only 5 years after 9-11. The Dems desperately want to hide that fact in the background. I never heard of Foley till this week and he's no longer in office. The stock market is here to stay.

Funny, that wasn't the reaction of Republicans during the Clinton sex scandal - when stocks were nothing short of stratospheric; guess the right wing was more "principled" back then<_<

ice-nine
10-05-2006, 14:43
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Tom C.
10-06-2006, 10:19
Perhaps you could enlighten me. What did Foley do? Write colorful IM to kids? If that is a crime, so be it, but as far as I know, he wasn’t sleeping with any of them. He didn’t rape anyone. Sounds like he hasn’t done enough to be inducted as a Democrat.

Boogyman
10-06-2006, 17:22
Just keep building your strawmen boogyman. Keep on spinning.
No one listens to your silly posturing anyway.

Way to debate the issue, Manny.

Obviously you listen to my "silly posturing"... :lol:

Boogyman
10-06-2006, 20:10
The stock market reached its highest point ever in history today

The stock market is here to stay.

That's great if you own stock, Zen. Do you?

Who here owns stock? I don't. I don't have the extra money.

The stock market boom shows the rich getting richer. No wonder they are mostly Republicans.
The Dems desperately want to hide that fact in the background.
So, you're saying that the Democrats somehow engineered or "made up" the whole Foley scandal?

You can't be serious. Can you? :wacko:

Oh, now I see, you're banned. Oooops.... :rolleyes:

josh
10-07-2006, 08:13
That's great if you own stock, Zen. Do you?

Who here owns stock? I don't. I don't have the extra money.

The stock market boom shows the rich getting richer. No wonder they are mostly Republicans.


Ive seen it all now. Only republicans own stock.
No wonder dems have traditionally supported every social progarm that could be dreamed of.
After all if you refuse to take personal responsibility for your own financial well being it must be up to your countrymen to support you.

This guy is screwed up and should be punished for what he did. if he did anything. How about a fair trial and a jury of his peers. Unfortunately his peers are all blood sucking thieves commonly known as politicians.

Boogyman
10-07-2006, 09:22
Ive seen it all now. Only republicans own stock.
That's not what I said at all.
No wonder they are mostly Republicans.
Thanks for reminding me why I had you on my "ignore" list, Josh.

Bye-bye now...

josh
10-07-2006, 11:46
I guess it is mostly democrats on welfare.

Boogyman
10-08-2006, 23:12
Rep. Kolbe saw Foley messages in 2000

Another lawmaker knew of inappropriate Internet exchanges

By Jonathan Weisman

Updated: 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Another Republican congressman knew of disgraced former representative Mark Foley's inappropriate Internet exchanges as far back as 2000 and personally confronted Foley about his communications.

A spokeswoman for Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.) confirmed yesterday that a former page showed the congressman Internet messages that had made the youth feel uncomfortable with the direction Foley (R-Fla.) was taking their e-mail relationship. Last week, when the Foley matter erupted, a Kolbe staff member suggested to the former page that he take the matter to the clerk of the House, Karen Haas, said Kolbe's press secretary, Korenna Cline.

The revelation pushes back by at least five years the date when a member of Congress has acknowledged learning of Foley's questionable behavior. A timeline issued by House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) suggested that the first lawmakers to know, Rep. John M. Shimkus (R-Ill.), the chairman of the House Page Board, and Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-La.), became aware of "over-friendly" e-mails only last fall. It also expands the universe of players in the drama beyond members, either in leadership or on the page board.

A source with direct knowledge of Kolbe's involvement said the messages shared with Kolbe were sexually explicit, and he read the contents to The Washington Post under condition that they are not reprinted. But Cline denied the source's characterization, saying only that the messages had made the former page feel uncomfortable. Nevertheless, she said, "corrective action" was taken. Cline said she still has not yet determined whether that action went beyond Kolbe's confrontation with Foley.

In interviews with The Post last week, multiple pages identified Kolbe as a close friend and personal confidante, who was one of the only members of Congress to take any interest in them. A former page himself, Kolbe offered to mentor pages and kept in touch with some of them after they left the program, according to the interviews.

Kolbe once invited four former pages to make use of his Washington home while he was out of town, according to an instant message between Foley and another former page, Jordan Edmund, in January 2002. The pages planned to attend a first-year reunion of their page class. But they never took Kolbe up on his offer because of a snow storm, according to one of the four pages.

Cline said one of the youths invited was a former page of Kolbe's. Because the congressman frequently travels on weekends, either to his Arizona ranch or abroad, the house is often available to friends, constituents, staff and former staff members, such as a former page, she said.

Kolbe, the only openly gay Republican in Congress, is retiring at the end of the year.

Crucial midterm elections
The latest revelation in the growing House page scandal comes just a month before crucial midterm elections. Foley resigned Sept. 29 after ABC News confronted him with the sexually explicit messages that he exchanged with a former page, triggering investigations by the Justice Department, the House ethics committee and Florida authorities.

Hastert and his top aides have been sharply criticized by Democrats and some conservative Republicans for failing to act promptly after receiving warnings that Foley had been sexually predatory in dealing with pages and former pages. Ron Bonjean, the speaker's spokesman, said yesterday: "Allegations of inappropriate conduct by members of Congress towards pages need to be fully reviewed by the ethics committee and law enforcement."

In addressing the revelation about Kolbe, Bonjean said, "This allegation reiterates why the speaker has also called for a full review of the House page program to ensure that it is as safe and secure as possible."

A new poll by Newsweek indicated the Foley scandal was doing significant damage to the Republicans' political fortunes and could sink their chances of holding onto control of Congress on Election Day, Nov. 7. The poll found that 52 percent of Americans, including 29 percent of Republicans, believe Hastert was aware of Foley's Internet communications with underage pages and tried to cover up Foley's actions. More of those polled, 42 percent, now say they trust Democrats to do a better job handling moral values than Republicans; 36 percent favored Republicans on the values question.

Sharp exchange
In a sharp exchange on "Fox News Sunday," Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), the vice chairman of the House Republican Conference, insinuated that Democrats were behind the revelations of Foley's actions and the release of e-mails and instant messages showing Foley having sexually graphic or highly suggestive conversations with former pages.

"What I don't understand is where have these e-mails been for three years? Are we saying that a 15-year-old child would have sat on e-mails that were triple-X-rated for three years and suddenly spring them out right on the eve of an election? That's just a little bit too suspicious, even for Washington, D.C.," Kingston said.

Rep. Martin T. Meehan (D-Mass.) shot back, "If there's any evidence that you need that the values in Washington have turned upside down, you could just hear what Jack had to say. Only in Washington, D.C., can you take a group of people in charge of the House and basically have evidence that they've been looking the other way while a predator has been . . . going after 15- and 16-year-old pages, [and] they somehow . . . have the audacity to turn that into a political attack against Democrats."

So far, only ABC News and The Washington Post have actually obtained the sexually explicit instant messages between two former pages and Foley. The Post obtained its copies from a former page who served on Capitol Hill with the other two pages.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15188206/