Shooting Victim Hopes Attack Puts Gun Control On Nation's Radar

[ice-nine]

Klein said she met with former President Bill Clinton last week while in New York, discussed both gun control and workplace safety with him and was encouraged by the conversation. "His foundation is committed to doing similar things domestically, so this will be a project that we potentially will have an opportunity to collaborate on in the future," Klein said.

http://www.komotv.com/news/story_m.asp?ID=44989

[cowboy117]

Klein said she met with former President Bill Clinton last week while in New York, discussed both gun control and workplace safety with him and was encouraged by the conversation. "His foundation is committed to doing similar things domestically, so this will be a project that we potentially will have an opportunity to collaborate on in the future," Klein said.

http://www.komotv.com/news/story_m.asp?ID=44989You mean a Clinton would try to inact gun control?I'm shocked!:o

[josh]

To bad she survived.

[cowboy117]

To bad she survived.A lot of well intentioned people have an anti-gun bias,based on ignorance of the true facts.I don't have a problem with them,personally,but they need to get their facts straight before they shoot their mouth's off.Politicians,[mostly liberal Dem's]on the other hand,know the statistics don't back this view up.Them i have a problem with.My heart goes out to these victims that were sought out because of their nationality and religion.The shooter,Naveed Fazal Haq,was an American Muslim[surprise,surprise]!Naveed's lawyer says he is bi-polar.Guess that makes it O.K.The Religion of Peace strikes again.:o

[freesw]

To bad she survived.

:wacko: :angry: <_<

[josh]

:wacko: :angry: <_<

An enemy of liberty is my enemy.

[Hoodoo]

So, the logic should follow that if a person has an Automobile accident, they should call for abolition of Automobiles? Maybe the problem was that none of those in the Synagogue were armed and thus were unable to stop the thug. Maybe she should have been calling for more law abiding Citizens to carry concealed.

[josh]

So, the logic should follow that if a person has an Automobile accident, they should call for abolition of Automobiles? Maybe the problem was that none of those in the Synagogue were armed and thus were unable to stop the thug. Maybe she should have been calling for more law abiding Citizens to carry concealed.

Give that man a cigar. he has it right.

[plinky]

So, the logic should follow that if a person has an Automobile accident, they should call for abolition of Automobiles? Maybe the problem was that none of those in the Synagogue were armed and thus were unable to stop the thug. Maybe she should have been calling for more law abiding Citizens to carry concealed.

+1 :)

[freesw]

Josh, your take on this reminds me of your belief that passengers on a plane are responsible for their own safety wrt hijackers. I think that's carrying individualism to an extreme. In a civilized society, some people are designated as law enforcement; it has been that way since the dawn of civilization. One of the first thing folks did upon founding a town in the old west was appoint a sheriff. Of course, most of them, the men anyway, continued to carry their own firearms, and were prepared to use them when necessary. But we live in a far more crowded and complex country now. I for one don't want someone that hasn't taken the time to get at least some training or practice pulling out a gun and starting to take shots at the first sign of trouble. And I sure don't want that happening on an airplane!

In the case of the lady shot at the Jewish center, she has every bit as much right to choose to go about her life unarmed as you do to go about yours armed. You do not know any more than that article stated about her. It turns out that the shooter may have been mentally ill. Perhaps what she is after is more stringent restrictions on the purchase of firearms by those with a history of mental illness. Now, personally, I question the way the law currently is about that, as it seems to me that someone who can demonstrate a long period of time without exhibiting signs of mental illness, and who has never broken a major law, ought to be able to own a firearm. But for all we know, she may simply be advocating for laws already on the books to be more stringently enforced. Hardly a reason to say you would rather she had died of her wounds, it seems to me.

Having said that, I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that it is always good when someone with a concealed carry permit - and a gun, of course -- or heck, a gun, period - happens to be on the scene when something like this occurs. I do very much favor anyone so inclined getting that license and carrying. But it is a huge responsibility, and one which many do not want to bear, and many shouldn't.

[josh]

I for one don't want someone that hasn't taken the time to get at least some training or practice pulling out a gun and starting to take shots at the first sign of trouble.

neither do I but it is wrong to rob someone of the ability to protect themselves. Everyone who is going to carry should be responsible in practicing and training. That is personal responsibility.




In the case of the lady shot at the Jewish center, she has every bit as much right to choose to go about her life unarmed as you do to go about yours armed.

Absolutely correct. But she should not try to disarm the rest of us. That is just as wrong as the lune trying to kill her.

But for all we know, she may simply be advocating for laws already on the books to be more stringently enforced. Hardly a reason to say you would rather she had died of her wounds, it seems to me.

What part of shall not be infringed is so difficult to understand?

Hardly a reason to say you would rather she had died of her wounds, it seems to me.



Reality is what she advocates could endanger me or my family. That makes her an enemy.


Having said that, I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that it is always good when someone with a concealed carry permit - and a gun, of course -- or heck, a gun, period - happens to be on the scene when something like this occurs. I do very much favor anyone so inclined getting that license and carrying. But it is a huge responsibility, and one which many do not want to bear, and many shouldn't.

You hit the nail on the head. Most people no longer want to responsibility for their own actions or safety.

[markw76]

Once you board an aircraft, and a hijacker or hijackers declare themselves, if the passengers sit
there and wait for a designated law-enforcement representative to take charge, every one
of them is doomed. I can't remember what flight it was besides 93, but a planeload piled on
a hijacker after 9-11 and everyone survived as a result. Sometimes, you have to save yourself
instead of being a sheep. That isn't vigilantism, thats common sense.

[freesw]

That's not the same as having to trust the screeners to keep guns and bombs off the plane.

That's a fact of flying until the day passengers are allowed to screen each others' luggage and carry on items:lol:

[Zen900]

Mrs Klein was shot because Mr Haq is Islamic and she is Jewish not because Mr Haq is bi-polar. Mr. Haq is a Jihadist. Perhaps Mrs. Kein would have preferred he drove an SUV over her and her friends instead of shooting her? That is what an Islamic student did earlier this year at NC State University. Does Mrs. Klein understand that Islam has declared war on Jews, America and non-believers? There is an even larger problem than gun crime at stake for Mrs. Klein and her people. If Islam can get a nuke into New York they'd kill thousands. I think most Americans are oblivious to the fact that there is a war going on because there has never been a war like this. Even after the enemy shoots them they don't percieve that there is an enemy. It's a shame Mr. Haq didn't shoot her in the head. If he had she wouldn't have been hurt. Nothing can enter Mrs, Kleins head it seems.