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That is low, for the same money he could hire a guide and do it right. They are bear in alot of states, Arkansas, Tenn., Kentucky, SC,NC. They are everywhere and you find a guide and cozy stand to shoot from and never have lift a finger for the skinning.:angry:
-tri
I hunt, I have even hunted bear over bait, but that is low.
...penalty of five years in federal prison and a $20,000 fine.
That's got my vote!
Metalhead
08-18-2006, 17:50
I don't get it, why couldn't he just hang with Ted Nugent for a weekend to do it the right way? Maybe he was getting a false trophey to probably impress false friends. I'm thinking a more fitting punishment would be dropping Gentry (unarmed) between a grizzly and her cubs in the Yukon-"that's justice" .
I don't get it, why couldn't he just hang with Ted Nugent for a weekend to do it the right way? Maybe he was getting a false trophey to probably impress false friends. I'm thinking a more fitting punishment would be dropping Gentry (unarmed) between a grizzly and her cubs in the Yukon-"that's justice" .
Hmmm..your idea has merit...but I did not get the part with Ted Nugent:blink:
Plinky did you not know that the Nug is a huge passionate hunter? He has his own videos and stuff or were you just wondering why he mentioned?
-tri
treedawg
08-18-2006, 21:16
What's the big deal????
He purchased and slaughtered the bear.
This bear was no more than livestock such as a heifer on farm. This bear was well cared for which included food, shelter and medical.
How is the owner of this bear any different than a heifer or hog from your neighborhood farm? The farmer invests time, money etc in his livestock and he's entitled to the maximum return possible of these animals.
What happens to these farm animals when sold? You guessed it. They are most likely heading straight to the slaughter house.
Tell me how this differs from farm raised game animals????
It's not my cup of tea but who am I or "you" for that matter to belittle the seller or purchaser of said animal?????
TD
Boogyman
08-18-2006, 23:24
TD, I'm suprised at you. I thought you considered yourself a Sportsman.
He purchased and slaughtered the bear.
He didn't just "slaughter" it like a humane bullet between the eyes as you would a pig.
He shot it with a bow while it was sitting there in a cage! Ever bow hunt? Have you ever seen an arrow kill anything instantly? You know it had to suffer!
You don't see a problem with that?
This bear was no more than livestock such as a heifer on farm.
Wrong. The bear was a wild animal, meant to live in the wild freely. It's wrong to raise wild animals with wild instincts in a damn cage.
This bear was well cared for which included food, shelter and medical.
You don't know that.
And even if it's true, the bear had come to depend on it's owner from birth, even trust him. And here comes a dirtbag and shoots him with an arow. Disgusting.
How is the owner of this bear any different than a heifer or hog from your neighborhood farm?
Farm animals have been bred for centuries to be raised in captivity. They lost their wild instincts long ago.
Bears are wild animals. They have ancient, built-in instincts that cause them to yearn for free range, to travel, hunt, hibernate, etc. To keep a wild animal in a cage all it's life is cruel.
And no, I don't like zoos for the same reason, but some zoos provide large habitats with the proper flora and fauna. I still don't like it.
What happens to these farm animals when sold? You guessed it. They are most likely heading straight to the slaughter house.
At the slaughter house the livestock is killed quickly, cleanly and efficiently, with the least amount of suffering possible.
Not shot with an arrow in a cage to suffer and bleed to death in pain.
Tell me how this differs from farm raised game animals????
Raising game animals for the purpose of setting them free to re-stock hunting grounds is fine. But it's not very sportsmanlike to "plant" them in bushes or even tie them to a tree so some A-hole can walk up and shoot it just because he has enough money.
This bear was shot in a cage. He never had a sporting chance. Zero.
It's not my cup of tea but who am I or "you" for that matter to belittle the seller or purchaser of said animal?????
Apparently the State of Minnesota doesn't think very highly of it. It's against the LAW.
Are you defending illegal hunting practices, or breaking game laws?
I've hunted all my life. I have a very high respect for nature, and the animals I hunt. I try my best to make quick, clean kills. I try not to waste any meat.
My Dad even taught me not to shoot a pheasant on the ground, wait till it flies.
It's called SPORTSMANSHIP. It goes beyond just the monetary value of an animal, or "anything goes" just for a trophy and bragging rights.
People who have no respect for animals just don't get it. I'm not talking "PETA" here, I'm talking about respect for a wild animal that gives you meat, a good, challenging hunt, and hopefully an appreciation for hunting and the outdoors.
I guess if your not disgusted and appalled by a jerk shooting a bear in a cage with an arrow just so he can look like a big man to all his fans, then there's nothing more I have to say to you.
What's the big deal????
It's against the LAW.
Well said...
treedawg
08-19-2006, 00:30
Bow hunting is my preferred method of hunting.
I've had a precious few animals that have died almost instantly when hit with a bow but it's the exception to the rule. Typically an animal will run 30 to 100 yards with a well placed shot from a bow.
I never said what they did was sporting and I also said it wasn't my cup of tea.
I just fail to see the difference in this type hunt canned hunt and an animal of any species taken in a high fence operation like Ted Nugents place or many of the premier ranches in TX or a typical farm animal. Many of the animals in the high fence operations were hand reared then released on the property at a later date. Sure they stand a better chance than a bear in a pen but their fate is no less sealed.
I didn't reread the article but I did read it earlier this week. From what I could gather from the article the taking of the bear was not illegal. The bear was improperly tagged so they go them on a technicality. Why did the bear need a tag? It was not wild game!!
I'll try to make this as clear as possible. This type of killing is not for me. Notice I didn't call it hunting because it's not.
If a man wants to purchase and kill a domestically raised animal that's his business. I don't care if said animal is a bear, bull, ostrich or pheasant.
BTW: Where are all these articles, posts and criminal charges etc when sports stars, politicians and entertainers etc are killing pen raised quail and pheasant?
I guess that's OK because they aren't killing a bear. A bear has more a right to live than dozens of quail and pheasant etc.
Think about it man!!!!!!!!!
TD
nellybell
08-19-2006, 00:48
Just remember members, there's two sides to every
story. I'm not defending this guy, but believe it or
not one is STILL innocent until proven guilty. >
http://montgomerygentry.musiccitynetworks.com/?inc=5&news_id=8154
I'm not a big fan of hearing of an animal treated in this manner, hunting is one thing and I got no problems with folks who hunt or the sport of hunting. However, I take exception to someone who purposely treats an animal as such, then has the nerve to lie about it when they get caught. Makes you wonder what folks are thinking these days, seems like we hear in the news more and more about folks trying to get over on someone or about something.
"The bear in question was never in a cage or pen; not when it was killed or at anytime prior to that. This wild bear occupied its own habitat (consisting of several acres of woodlands) on a game preserve owned by the codefendant. Troy shot the bear with a bow and arrow from a tree stand mounted on the private game preserve. Troy did video tape this hunt for his personal use, but did not edit it to make it appear anything other than what it was. He did not distribute the video for commercial use or intend to use it to mislead anyone."
If this is the best that can be said about the incident, he's going to receive disapprobation aplenty from many of his fans and potential future fans, because this just doesn't sound good no matter how its spun. He'll always be tagged as the country musician that shot the tame bear, and that just isn't going to sit well with country music fans generally.
His friend continues to refer to it as a "hunt." Hmm.
I wouldn't want to be in his boots. He's getting a good enough whooping in the court of the press and public opinion that there's no real need to drop him for a mauling in the Yukon;)
I know....He can start touring with the Dixie Chicks to improve his image!
Metalhead
08-19-2006, 09:03
Plinky, What I mean about Gentry hanging out with Ted Nugent to show him how to do it the right way is; Ted Nugent "famous singer too" hunts/harvests his own trophey/food without bad press, because he does it the right way (legal). Give the animal a sporting chance and don't break the law we have to abide by because of your clout.
Tri, Metalhead- I did not know that Ol` Ted was such an avid hunter. Now I got the picture, thanks!:)
Boogyman
08-19-2006, 10:00
Plinky, What I mean about Gentry hanging out with Ted Nugent to show him how to do it the right way is; Ted Nugent "famous singer too" hunts/harvests his own trophey/food without bad press, because he does it the right way (legal). Give the animal a sporting chance and don't break the law we have to abide by because of your clout.
Metalhead, I don't mean to start anything here by dissing your favorite rock star/great white hunter, but Ted Nugent is not all he pretends to be.
On one of his shows he had a kid shoot a doe that was tied to a tree, so the cameras could film it all.
All the animals on his ranches are very tame, you could drive right up to them because that's how they feed them, out of a truck.
He claims to be a great trophy hunter, but most of his hunts are extensively guided or canned.
I could go on and on, I'm about his age so I remember when he was younger. I even saw him play once live. He was swigging from a bottle of Jack and suckin' on a big fat doobie, staggering around the stage. Yet he claims he never touched drugs or alchohol.
If he lied about that, who knows what else he lies about?
Boogyman
08-19-2006, 10:14
I'll try to make this as clear as possible. This type of killing is not for me. Notice I didn't call it hunting because it's not. Good for you.
If a man wants to purchase and kill a domestically raised animal that's his business.
Not if it's illegal.
I guess that's OK because they aren't killing a bear. A bear has more a right to live than dozens of quail and pheasant etc.
Admit it, TD, this is about the post I made about the black bear months ago. You just can't leave it alone, can ya! <_<
Think about it man!!!!!!!!!
YOU think about it.
Why are you defending this guy?
If he's convicted will you still defend him?
I bet you 99% of the people you ask will agree that shooting any animal in a cage and then lying about it to impress people is just plain disgusting.
But you think it's OK, huh?
Here's a thought... What do you think Teddy Roosevelt would have to say about this? :blink:
treedawg
08-19-2006, 14:26
Admit it, TD, this is about the post I made about the black bear months ago. You just can't leave it alone, can ya! <_<
I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't think I read or responded to your black bear post. I'm not 100% positive about that but I I'm 100% positive I don't remember the thread.
This is the internet and I've got much better thing to do than hold a grudge against somebodies internet persona.
I NEVER said I agreed with his actions but it's not my place to judge him. The owner sold the animal and the singer purchased the animal. The method in which he killed the bear is indeed questionable but that was his call.
Hunters kill pen raised birds all the time. I'm guilty of this myself. These were wild animals raised in captivity. Where's the outrage over this???
TD
Metalhead
08-19-2006, 18:24
Boogeyman, I was unaware of that kill you described by Nugent's kid. I wonder what the legal loop hole was that he used to avoid bad press? Did he even get bad press for it? At any rate, types of slaughter where the animal doesn't have a chance is a no-go in my book! Boy I could use a hamburger:) Sorry.
On one of his shows he had a kid shoot a doe that was tied to a tree, so the cameras could film it all.
Would like to have you get some video of that, I saw the same episode you seem to think the deer was tied up.. It wasn't.
Boogyman
08-20-2006, 11:03
Boogeyman, I was unaware of that kill you described by Nugent's kid.
It wasn't Nugent's kid, it was a kid on his show named Carl. Nugent brought Carl out to sit by a tree for his first deer kill. As soon as they sat down, Ted pointed through the trees and lo and behold, there was a doe just standing there, which Carl shot. Gee, I wish that would happen when I go hunting... <_<
Now think about it.
To film this event you need at least 2 cameras plus a crew for each. There's a director, a couple soundmen, equipment handlers, cable guy, whatever. At least a half-dozen people. Plus Ted and Carl.
So here's this whole crowd traipsing through the woods, but all you see is Ted and Carl, just casually walking along noisily, with Ted bullsh*tting the whole time. Not very quiet.
So they get to this spot and sit down. One camera shows them sitting there, and funny, the spot is all cleared of leaves and branches like it's been prepared. Immediately Ted points through the trees and says "Look, there's one now!"
The other camera (that's how I know it was at least 2 cameras) shows a medium, just-right-for-eatin' size doe just standing in a little clearing. Here's where it gets really obvious.
The deer is just standing there looking at Ted and Carl, but the camera only shows the deer from the knees up. It doesn't show what is holding it's hind leg making it stick out at an angle, with the deer tugging on it.
The clearing is all cleaned up, with the leaves and branches cleared away (nothing to obstruct the camera shot).
The doe is by itself, which is a little unusual, since does that age usually hang out with other does in little groups.
It acts kinda sluggish, like it's been drugged. Or maybe it just woke up from it's afternoon nap?
Why didn't she run off by now?
Apparently this deer has no problem with an entire film crew coming to within 50 yards of it and setting up their equipment. Maybe it just wants to be on TV?
And isn't it strange how Ted and Carl just strolled up to that tree, sat down, and immediately Ted is pointing the doe out to Carl?
As if Ted knew it was gonna be there.
And you couldn't have picked out a better-eatin' young doe. For feeding to some city-slickers who never tasted venison before, you want the best, most tender meat to impress 'em, right?
Can I prove it? Maybe. But I'm not. I live in the country and all we have is dial-up, makes for really slow video. Plus I'm not wasting my time on something this meaningless. If you don't agree with me, fine, I don't care.
But if you ever watch that episode, you know what to look for. Make up your own mind. If you're gullible enough to believe it was for real, well, either Ted is your idol or you've never been deer hunting. :rolleyes:
Boy I could use a hamburger:) Sorry.
Why are you "sorry"? Have a hamburger! Hell, make it a double cheese! ;)
:lol:
billdeserthills
08-20-2006, 11:14
I agree with treedawg, the bear was purchased property, the idiot owned the bear, he decided to kill it, the end. I was raised on a ranch/farm. After having to pluck lots of chickens as a boy, one day I decided I wanted to have the "fun" of actually getting to kill one, with the ax. Turned out very messy in my case, as my eye/hand coordination was a bit off. I think it took 8 hits to die. You don't think that the chicken suffered? anything you kill will suffer! The only difference Ican see is sometimes the law is for you&sometimes the law is against you.
Boogyman
08-20-2006, 11:31
sometimes the law is for you&sometimes the law is against you.
The law is for everybody.
I was raised on a farm too. I've slaughtered plenty of livestock. I never shot anything in a cage with an arrow.
Bears are wild animals. I've explained the difference already.
This scumbag gives all hunters a bad name. His actions are a far cry from the sportsmanship and ethical hunting practices I was taught.
If you don't get it, you don't get it.
Yeah, no proof of the doe being tied up, exactly what I expected.
Yeah, no proof of the doe being tied up, exactly what I expected.
I could bet you did not even see the clip...:rolleyes:
Boogyman
08-20-2006, 15:25
Yeah, no proof of the doe being tied up, exactly what I expected.
And this is exactly what I expected from you, Goeth.
Grow up.
Well be careful what you say, you said the doe was tied up. It wasn't. And I did see that show, its just like every other OLN hunting program they are all pretty much tamed im not disputing that, but when you go as far to say the doe was actually tied to the tree, that's just a lie.
treedawg
08-20-2006, 16:22
The law is for everybody.
I was raised on a farm too. I've slaughtered plenty of livestock. I never shot anything in a cage with an arrow.
Bears are wild animals. I've explained the difference already.
This scumbag gives all hunters a bad name. His actions are a far cry from the sportsmanship and ethical hunting practices I was taught.
If you don't get it, you don't get it.
Boogy,
Why haven't you addressed the issue of pen raised game birds such as quail, pheasant etc?
They are basically wild animals that were raised and bred in captivity for the sole purpose of hunting and killing. They are just as much a wild animal as any deer, bear, boar etc that was captive bred and later hunted.
I see no real sport in hunting animals that were bred in captivity for the sole purpose on hunting. I've been on a few so called bird hunts were we shot pen raised birds. I did this a couple of times after the local quail population was no longer hunt-able due to population decline. It only took me a couple of times to decide I didn't care for or enjoy "hunting" pen raised birds. The following year I sold my dog to a hunter in Kansas where the birds were more plentiful.
As I've said over and over again....I don't care for this type of "hunting" but if it's your cup of tea then I have no right to condemn you for it.
TD
Boogyman
08-21-2006, 02:17
but when you go as far to say the doe was actually tied to the tree, that's just a lie.
So now your calling me a liar?
you said the doe was tied up. It wasn't.
You better be able to prove that, sonny. Cuz if it was, then YOUR a liar.
And you can't prove it because the camera only shows the deer from the knees up. I watched it 3 times. It was exactly like I described it in post #24.
I told you before, I DON'T CARE. If you're gullible enough to believe that deer wasn't tied, then it only proves how little you know about deer hunting. Which is probably ZERO.
I'm done with this crap. This thread is about a bear shot in a cage. All you want to do is challenge me with every little petty, nit-picking little piece of bullsh*t you can find. Up to your old tricks again, same ol' same ol'.
Tell it to someone who cares, kid.
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Boogyman
08-21-2006, 02:27
Boogy,
Why haven't you addressed the issue of pen raised game birds such as quail, pheasant etc?
I did, TD. You need to read my replies more carefully. :)
Your first post (#9)
Tell me how this differs from farm raised game animals????
My reply (post #10)
Raising game animals for the purpose of setting them free to re-stock hunting grounds is fine. But it's not very sportsmanlike to "plant" them in bushes or even tie them to a tree so some A-hole can walk up and shoot it just because he has enough money.
Stocking hunting grounds is not the issue here. When you set animals loose in a general area, at least they taste a little freedom and have a sporting chance.
The issue here is about an A-hole that shot a bear in a cage.
Yeah Boogyman I am calling you a liar. If you don't want the lable of a liar, then don't lie.
I'm done with this crap. This thread is about a bear shot in a cage. All you want to do is challenge me with every little petty, nit-picking little piece of bullsh*t you can find. Up to your old tricks again, same ol' same ol'.
No tricks, I just don't think you should be lieing. You were the one that braught up ted nugent.
And there is 2 sides to every story some say he shot it in a cage, some say he didn't.
To back up this charge, the indictment claims that Troy shot a tamed bear in a cage, then made a video to appear that he did not shoot the bear in a cage, but in the wild. These claims are wildly inaccurate.
special poop
08-21-2006, 16:39
YES!!! happy days are here again, the return of the Boogyman vs. Goeth retard-o-thon!! Thanks guys, I think I actually missed this. Here's to more of the old favorites such as "did you just call me a liar?", "you're a child molester," "stop stalking me on other websites." Let the good times roll and thanks for the laughs guys. We're not laughing at you, we're laughing with you.....oh wait you're not laughing.
adaman04
08-21-2006, 17:12
That's pretty lame if that's the way it really went down. Montgomery Gentry is one of the few artists out there that actually have something worth hearing. Gentry is loaded, I can't see why he didn't just hunt the old fashioned way. Hmmm.
Though I don't agree with this activity, I will make one comment regarding something you said Boogy, just for fun. As far as cattle, etc. "losing their wild instincts long ago" I disagree. Ever hear of wild hogs that get loose? They sure don't lose their instincts. As soon as they realize they aren't eating from a trough anymore, they figure it all out pretty quick. Just a thought.
Boogyman
08-21-2006, 19:03
You were the one that braught up ted nugent.
Nope. It was Metalhead. Can't you get anything straight?
And learn to spell.
Yeah Boogyman I am calling you a liar.
Prove it.
I'll make you a deal. You show me irrefutable proof that deer wasn't tied by one of it's legs to something. Actual, real video from that episode, NOT ALTERED, that shows all four of the deer's legs CLEARLY with no rope, chain, wire, or anything attached, right before it was shot in that clearing. No text, testimony, comments, tricks, or any other bullsh*t. Just the actual footage from the show.
If you can do that I'll leave this board forever.
If you can't do it, then YOU have to leave this board forever.
Now, put your money where your big mouth is, or S-T-F-U.
Deal?
Boogyman
08-21-2006, 19:27
YES!!! happy days are here again, the return of the Boogyman vs. Goeth retard-o-thon!! Thanks guys, I think I actually missed this. Here's to more of the old favorites such as "did you just call me a liar?", "you're a child molester," "stop stalking me on other websites." Let the good times roll and thanks for the laughs guys. We're not laughing at you, we're laughing with you.....oh wait you're not laughing.
Who is "we"? Do you have multiple personalities? :wacko:
Poopy, I thought you considered yourself above us folks here in Chit-Chat and you were going to stay out?
I distinctly remember you saying you were going to stay out of GCC and only read the gun forums.
Yep, I'm sure that's what you said.
But you just can't help it, can you? :rolleyes:
It wouldn't be so bad if you actually contributed to the threads instead of just pouring out your usual pile of derision and sarcasm.
Well, I guess everybody's a critic, huh?
:lol:
So what's stopping this guy from enlisting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsTmcnWKfaQ
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This is going beyond "debates for dummies" guys. Please tone it down a notch.
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