View Full Version : Mexico and Canada get adopted by the US to form the NAU(North American Union)
ryan_kalani
08-18-2006, 08:38
Who needs border secuirty when Mexico, Canada and USA are to be united? F*ck that!
Here's the VIDEO about the North American Union:
www.uncledoan.com/loudobbs/ (http://www.uncledoan.com/loudobbs/)
and
www.americanpatrol.com/WMV/050609-Dobbs-CFR-56K.wmv (http://www.americanpatrol.com/WMV/050609-Dobbs-CFR-56K.wmv)
Too angry for any more words!
Interesting to say the least. Mexico I'm not for at all as they cannot control their own problems. However, over the years I've have hundreds of customers from Canada and moving the line further up North I have no problem with. Besides maybe they can help us learn how to set up a heath care system... :) that folks can afford. Before you all jump on this just wait until you take your Mother to the Doctors who writes a scrip for a problem and under our current system the insurers says... NOPE we are not going to pay for that. So monthly you shell out $300.00 for one scrip your Mother has to have. Ya believe it.
Just my opinion so don't jump on my posting as you will not change my opinion. When it becomes your time and some fool behind a desk says NOPE you will remember this posting.
Olds
ryan_kalani
08-18-2006, 09:19
I won't be jumping on you Olds. I work in the Healthcare field and firmly believe that the shotty system is even further destroyed by the people infultrating our southern border illegally. Somebody has to pay and it surely is not them.
Canada maybe, but Mexico NEVER!
Who needs border secuirty when Mexico, Canada and USA are to be united? F*ck that!
Here's the VIDEO about the North American Union:
www.uncledoan.com/loudobbs/ (http://www.uncledoan.com/loudobbs/)
and
www.americanpatrol.com/WMV/050609-Dobbs-CFR-56K.wmv (http://www.americanpatrol.com/WMV/050609-Dobbs-CFR-56K.wmv)
Too angry for any more words!
This is the end...:blink:
Boogyman
08-18-2006, 09:25
What are you afraid of, Ryan?
That the U.S. will become "absorbed" by Canada and Mexico?
Don't you think that it's a good idea to work closely with our neighbors if only for security reasons? Just think, a United Continental Border Defense Force. :o
Arizona Mikey
08-18-2006, 09:55
I think that the “natural” trend is for people to want LOCAL control and autonomy. Please consider that, during the last two decades, we’ve seen:
1. The breakup of the Soviet Union into smaller, independent republics.
2. The breakup of Yugoslavia, into smaller, independent republics.
3. The breakup of Czechoslovakia, into the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
4. The (very possible) breakup of Iraq into three independent nations.
And yet the powers-that-be seem insistent upon IMPOSING unification on people of distinct nations that (I believe) have zero interest in unification: i.e., the European Union, and now the proposed American Union.
My take on this is that powerful people want to expand their power and influence with these kind of unifications - and that the citizens of the individual nations be dammed.
I think that the “natural” trend is for people to want LOCAL control and autonomy. Please consider that, during the last two decades, we’ve seen:
1. The breakup of the Soviet Union into smaller, independent republics.
2. The breakup of Yugoslavia, into smaller, independent republics.
3. The breakup of Czechoslovakia, into the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
4. The (very possible) breakup of Iraq into three independent nations.
And yet the powers-that-be seem insistent upon IMPOSING unification on people of distinct nations that (I believe) have zero interest in unification: i.e., the European Union, and now the proposed American Union.
My take on this is that powerful people want to expand their power and influence with these kind of unifications - and that the citizens of the individual nations be dammed.
You`ve made an excellent point, Mikey. The unification of Europe was beneficial for the economically weak countries but quite a desaster for those who once flourished, since they had to carry all the weight on their shoulders.
Same would happen here. Screw Mexico.
Interesting to say the least. Mexico I'm not for at all as they cannot control their own problems. However, over the years I've have hundreds of customers from Canada and moving the line further up North I have no problem with. Besides maybe they can help us learn how to set up a heath care system... :) that folks can afford. Before you all jump on this just wait until you take your Mother to the Doctors who writes a scrip for a problem and under our current system the insurers says... NOPE we are not going to pay for that. So monthly you shell out $300.00 for one scrip your Mother has to have. Ya believe it.
Just my opinion so don't jump on my posting as you will not change my opinion. When it becomes your time and some fool behind a desk says NOPE you will remember this posting.
Olds
I'm with olds on this one, people turn to alternative medicine, for drug companies want to give you stuff to fix one thing but will kill your liver if taken very long. Health care is broke in the US, unless you don't have any coverage from a company plan, then its all good, its free. My coverage seems to want to pay less every year and charge more.:angry:
-tri
unless you don't have any coverage from a company plan, Let me tell you all that when you retire that company for most part is done with you.
You don't think so here is my number... call me when you retire. *727*374*6932You can tell me all about it.....<_<
Olds, do you use any alternative medicine to help with pain or just staying well? I use to sell Nikken magetic products and vitamins supplements. They have a good line of vitamins and magnets are good for natural pain relief. My little girl burned her finger and I place a Nikken magnet on it overnite and the pain was gone the next day. I still were the magnetic insoles for shoes.
-tri
I don't know about the merits or lack thereof with that proposal.
My motive for posting so often about the problems of human rights abuses, corporate malfeasance, the race to the bottom, poverty, labor abuses and pollution in other parts of the world is not entirely selfless. I'm telling the truth when I say, if we do not do more to force US companies to clean up their act in other countries, you are going to see more and more of those exact same problems here in the US. If you think otherwise, I ask you to explain how it can be that companies can survive employing US workers, and abiding by US regulations, when their competitors simply shift production, or call centers, bookkeeping, whatever, whereever they can find the cheapest labor pool and laxest standards.
The solution is the lifing of all boats, or the middle class in this country will sink along with the rest of the world, and the only well-off people left will have absolutely nothing in common with the rest of us. Already, there is a class of people with no loyalty to any country, that can hop in a private jet at a moment's notice if things get hot, that moves vast amounts of capital around with no regard to the impact on people and nation's economies, that uses every trick available to not pay their fair share of taxes. It doesn't matter to them what the rest of the world is like, as long as they're safe and comfortable in their private enclaves. So when you vote for someone like Bush/Cheney, who are beholden to those people, do not think that they're going to be looking out for your interests.
What are you afraid of, Ryan?
That the U.S. will become "absorbed" by Canada and Mexico?
Don't you think that it's a good idea to work closely with our neighbors if only for security reasons? Just think, a United Continental Border Defense Force. :o
You are being sarcastic right?
Boogyman
08-18-2006, 15:34
You are being sarcastic right?
Who?
Me?
:o
Who?
Me?
:o
Scared me for a minute. I thought you had finally lost it.
Olds, do you use any alternative medicine to help with pain or just staying well? I use to sell Nikken magetic products and vitamins supplements. They have a good line of vitamins and magnets are good for natural pain relief. My little girl burned her finger and I place a Nikken magnet on it overnite and the pain was gone the next day. I still were the magnetic insoles for shoes.
-tri I don't really have any problems. My references all come from my 76 year old mother living with me. However, thanks~~!
Here is the website for the system:
http://www.spp.gov/
ryan_kalani
08-19-2006, 15:49
Bump to give this vaubale info to more people.
Metalhead
08-19-2006, 18:09
I'm not for any unification at all...Health care? Cheap labor? I don't think so. Health care (Canada) isn't free in Canada it is paid through taxes and to get an operation you'll be put on a list for it. You don't just walk in and get U.S. care. We would still be covering illegal's and other people (still through taxes) You can't compare medical help in this country to Canada's. There are Canadiens comming here for attention believe it or not. Prescription drug's, yes they're over priced here because the research is done here (wich is done with tax money) and the U.S. provides these drug's to other less fotunate 3rd world countries at lower cost. Making up the profit difference for this bleeding heart mentality would be you guessed it....us. What really burns me is that they use our tax dollars to make everyone else happy (stock holders,other countries and the Ceo's). Cheap labor(Mexico) and EPA tolerance are not the answer to a healthy economy,short term yes-long term no. All the jobs going abroad and So. of the border means a shrinking upper/lower middle class, union's help to keep some of it in check but I think they'll be done should we unify. Illegals make the dollar here and take it back home to live better, if we unify where will they take it? We'll have even more poverty and homless.....Try living in the U.S. on Minnimum wage. I have faith that most Americans can see that it won't be a bowl of cherries for us but only for corprate America.
ryan_kalani
08-20-2006, 03:02
NEW VIDEO added 08.20.06:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8176364636523661031
magnomark
08-20-2006, 10:17
<_< If this does'nt cause the second american revolution-I don't know what will!!!:angry: :sniper:
I don't trust what the gov't says about it, but Alex Jones cannot be relied on for accurate information. He has been able to force other media outlets to cover things they otherwise wouldn't have, but you can't ever expect balanced coverage of anything from him. I realized this back when he repeatedly claimed that the mass graves in Bosnia were fabricated in order to create a pretense for military intervention. That's the problem with him; every "fact" must be forced to fit into his preconceived world view, and if it's an inconvenient fact, then it ceases to be.
ryan_kalani
08-20-2006, 16:03
I don't trust what the gov't says about it, but Alex Jones cannot be relied on for accurate information. He has been able to force other media outlets to cover things they otherwise wouldn't have, but you can't ever expect balanced coverage of anything from him. I realized this back when he repeatedly claimed that the mass graves in Bosnia were fabricated in order to create a pretense for military intervention. That's the problem with him; every "fact" must be forced to fit into his preconceived world view, and if it's an inconvenient fact, then it ceases to be.
You live in texas, are they building this "highway"?
You live in texas, are they building this "highway"?
Well I don't know about him, but you can go ahead and see the NASCO website for yourself...
http://www.nascocorridor.com/
Look guys- the future of corporate controlled America is already here.
Big corporations lobby to get what they want to make more money- cheaper labor and less taxation. They get it in the form of things like this that take the working class away from the US where Unions can fight for your rights and your wages, and move it to places like Mexico. Then they use something like NASCO to funnel the fruits of this labor into the consumer areas of US and Canada.
I totally agree with IVM. It does no good whatsoever to object to these types of things, unless one is willing to place the responsibility for it squarely where it really belongs: multinational corporations. Trade is not free when governments' trade policies are dictated by corporate interests. We do not have a free market, nor, as Jones and many others claim, are "marxism" or "socialism" encroaching. What we have today is corporate feudalism. That defines not only our de facto economic system, but also increasingly our political system, as more and more we are presented with false choices, and now even the illusion of choice is on the verge of being taken away with the advent of Diebold paperless voting machines, with their "undocumented" backdoors. Still, it's important to continue voting, now more than ever, because we need above all else to make it clear that we the people value the franchise, and aren't going to surrender it willingly.
It's doubtful that many Americans will openly admit we're now living in a corporate feudal state, until it's almost too late to do anything about it. Fear of bucking the (corporate media defined) "consensus" causes people to not want to speak up until enough others do first, especially those that have families to support and protect, and can't afford to lose their corporate jobs. But I haven't yielded hope, because if enough of us do wake up in time, there is quite a bit that really can be done to reverse the situation and regain our constitutional rights and liberties, and restore equality of opportunity to its rightful place.
I'm not saying all corporations are bad, or even most. Anyone that honestly examines the current situation, and the trends, will see for him or her self what is going on. Americans are smart and brave people; it just takes a lot to get our attention sometimes.
IVM said:
the US where Unions can fight for your rights and your wages
I figured you were union. Unions tell people what to think. Nothing you say is your ideology; it's just union ideology they've fed to you.
ryan_kalani
08-21-2006, 02:11
Well I don't know about him, but you can go ahead and see the NASCO website for yourself...
http://www.nascocorridor.com/
Look guys- the future of corporate controlled America is already here.
Big corporations lobby to get what they want to make more money- cheaper labor and less taxation. They get it in the form of things like this that take the working class away from the US where Unions can fight for your rights and your wages, and move it to places like Mexico. Then they use something like NASCO to funnel the fruits of this labor into the consumer areas of US and Canada.
WOW! Thanks for the link<_<
Arizona Mikey
08-21-2006, 09:34
I don't trust what the gov't says about it, but Alex Jones cannot be relied on for accurate information. He has been able to force other media outlets to cover things they otherwise wouldn't have, but you can't ever expect balanced coverage of anything from him.
Well, Alex Jones does sometimes seem to go off the deep end with his conclusions, but give the guy credit. Who in the mainstream media is reporting on the proposed “North American Union”? Rush Limbaugh? Bill O’Reilly? Nope.
Okay, has anyone among us seen coverage of this on (say) the NBC Nightly News, or ABC World News Tonight? Didn't think so.
If you want to say that Jones’ conclusions are sometimes a bit wild-eyed, okay, but the “North American Union” SHOULD be an earth-shattering story - yet hardly anyone (aside from gadflies like Jones) is discussing it. Jones may go overboard with his conspiracy theories, but at least he’s REPORTING this huge story. Who can blame him for thinking in conspiratorial terms when there’s such an obvious news blackout going on?
I figured you were union. Unions tell people what to think. Nothing you say is your ideology; it's just union ideology they've fed to you.
I’m not a union member (and never have been) and I quickly agree that unions, in the main, are corrupt and hopeless institutions. Yet, I see their utility in the grand scheme of things. When there’s “Big Government,” “Big Business,” and “Big Labor” all working at odds with each other, there’s a kind of balance-of-power that maintains some kind of moderate course for the country.
Take away the “Big Labor” aspect, however, and you’ll get what we’re seeing now: collusion between “Big Government” and “Big Business” with potentially frightful results (wasn’t it Mussolini who once stated that Fascism was really just the union of government and business)???? :o
give the guy credit. Who in the mainstream media is reporting on the proposed “North American Union”? ... Jones may go overboard with his conspiracy theories, but at least he’s REPORTING this huge story. Who can blame him for thinking in conspiratorial terms when there’s such an obvious news blackout going on?
You're quite right about all of that. I'll tell you how conspiratorially minded I am: I believe that if Jones didn't go "overboard" as much as he does, he would have been silenced, somehow, long ago. It's the fact that "respectable" people can so easily dismiss his many wild and crazy statements that makes him "safe." Most people hear a few of those statements, and dismiss him out of hand as a crackpot. And that's too bad, because he really does dredge up a lot of important info, as you note. I supsect most that continue to listen to him, as I do from time to time, just make the effort to sift the wheat from the chaffe, and simply accept that Alex is just the way he is:D
Take away the “Big Labor” aspect, however, and you’ll get what we’re seeing now: collusion between “Big Government” and “Big Business” with potentially frightful results (wasn’t it Mussolini who once stated that Fascism was really just the union of government and business)???? :o
Yep. Fascism really could be called Corporatism. But there's more to it, as can be understood by knowing the significance of fasces in ancient Rome. Basically, it's the wrapping of corporate feudalism with the symbols of the state, the quest for absolute power and control masquerading as patriotism.
Big government, big business, big labor, all corrupted, as the more power they amass, the more corrupt they become, in large part because that power makes them targets for evil men. Don't know the answer to that eternal conundrum, except checks and balances, as you point out.
In regards to the question of unions, big business always colludes; why wouuld anyone that respects freedom of association and assembly choose to deny the right of workers to likewise organize? Corporate brainwashing, that's where it comes from, Zen900. You owe it to yourself to read this short history of the development of the legal fiction of "corporate personhood"
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html
if you haven't already. And how about this
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/walmart/claims_dueprocess_rights.php
Wal-Mart Lawyers Claim Class-Action Suit Would Violate Corporation's "Civil Rights" -
This is the most audacious attempt by a corporation to turn the Constitution against citizens since Nike v. Kasky, and perhaps of the past half century. We reject Wal-Mart's claim that corporations are entitled to constitutional rights and to wield them as a weapon against citizens. Incorporation is a privilege granted by representatives of "We the People," and cannot be construed to give them rights equal to, or superior to, their creators."
IVM said:
I figured you were union. Unions tell people what to think. Nothing you say is your ideology; it's just union ideology they've fed to you.
Me? I'm not union. I don't work for a union, and I never have. Will I? Sure. I've actually thought about forming a union with fellow coworkers in a previous job situation, but it didn't pan out. And why? Because we were being abused by our employer in ways we shouldn't have to deal with, but "law" said it was okay even if ethics said it wasn't. We had no way to leverage ourselves as a group.
So what's wrong with unions?
Inherently, there is nothing wrong with a union. A union allows workers to collectively bargain together as a group for a contract, enabling the worker to have rights and ensure their success and stability as opposed to giving the employer all of the power.
I'm sure your idea of "union" is lazy people who get to sit around and slack off in their job, because the union keeps them from being fired.
Well, you're both right and wrong.
It is up to the employer to identify whether or not somebody would be a good employee. If the worker turns out to be lazy, it is entirely the fault of the employer for hiring that person, who can now take advantage of the union's benefits to keep themselves from losing their job. But the bad apples are far and few between. Union factories still churn out cars and still make T-Shirts. Union workers still answer telephone calls and provide customer service. Union workers still check you out at the grocer.
If the employer hires somebody who turns out to be a bad worker, that's their fault for not screening the worker well enough. A good, ethical worker wouldn't take advantage of a situation that allows them to slack off and profit. Of course good, ethical workers are harder to come by these days when they take the cues of corporations and big business where they learn how "cutting corners" to get as much as possible for as little effort as possible is better, because you get more for less.
What I find funny is that nobody is up in arms about the NASCO corridor idea.
The idea behind the NASCO corridor is this:
Instead of shipping product in from overseas to US ports where taxes are higher and it costs more to unload because shore workers get paid more, they want to ship the product to Mexico. Once it arrives in Mexico, Mexican dockworkers who get paid less can unload the containers (under unsafe conditions considering Mexico's labor and safety laws) onto trucks. Then, Mexican drivers can truck the items across the border with speed to a central "hub" in Kansas, where the items will then make their way across the country.
That's right.
Mexican dockworkers unloading ships full of goods bound for the US, putting them on trucks, and shipping them into the country in Mexican trucks driven by Mexico-licensed Mexican drivers.
I'm not being racist against Mexicans here- everyone knows I've said plenty of things about people who were..
But it's not mexicans in contention here, it's Mexico's labor and safety laws. Mexican workers are paid less (therefore costing less to the business), and the safety laws are more lax (allowing the business to charge less). Then we allow non-citizens to cross the border to deliver the stuff to Kansas.
All this is? Outsourcing our port work and transportation to another country.
Y'all bitch and moan about how you call customer service for your computer or cellphone and get some guy in India who says his name is Chris trying to help you out through an accent you can't understand, but then you all support a party that not only encouraged the outsourcing of those callcenters in the first place, but encourages the outsourcing of your product delivery as well.
By the way, how "secure" do you think a port in Mexico will be from smuggling illegal goods and weapons for terrorists?
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