View Full Version : Bush's Fractured Fairy Tales
Dutch Nick
08-05-2006, 07:41
Once upon a time, the United States suffered a devastating attack at the hands of an international terrorist organization based in Central Asia with ideological grounding in the Middle Eastern country of Egypt and financial grounding in the Middle Eastern country of Saudi Arabia.
In response, the United States started a civil war in a different Middle Eastern country, one called Iraq, thereby pulling off with baffling efficiency the feat of creating multitudes of new enemies for the United States while at the same time creating an appallingly lawless and violent and relatively proximate live-action training ground for those new enemies to polish their kill-ya chops.
Then the US egged on a cross-border conflict in yet another corner of the Middle East, in a country called Lebanon, establishing the United States anew as a seemingly enthusiastic sponsor of death for the Middle East region's increasingly displeased and mistrustful inhabitants.
Meanwhile, all the new enemies we've created are working on a "surprise." But don't worry about that. Just go to sleep.
Kindly Old Uncle George knows best.
That's no fairy tale; that's the truth.
Well, all for the "egged on" part. I think you meant "Iran" there.
Dutch Nick
08-05-2006, 18:11
I need to decide which rifle to clean while you decide which one of Bush's lies to believe.
I need to decide which rifle to clean while you decide which one of Bush's lies to believe.
Nice collection!
Kindly Old Uncle George knows best.
Somehow I missed that part. That's definitely a fairy tale.
Must be that while reading it my mind couldn't put together "Kindly Old Uncle" and "George" in the sense in which it was meant.
These days it cannot be said often enough: George W. Bush is the worst US president of all time.
I wish you guys would decide if GW is a moron or a great evil mastermind.
That's already been explained fully here and everywhere. I'll hold the sarcasm, though, and spell it out for you yet again: Here is W's bio, from the Whitehouse itself:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html
Doesn't look bad on paper, does it?
But you tell us, knowing what you know, was W really the most qualified person the GOP could have run in 2000, and if not, why didn't they find someone more qualified, much more??
No, President Bush is not a "moron." Nor is he a "great evil mastermind," obviously. You've pulled the old trick of the false choice, and not only that, you already knew the answer to your question.
This isn't a "nice' way to put it, but Bush is doing the bidding of those that prefer a more "private" -- but no less influential -- role in public life.
This isn't a "nice' way to put it, but Bush is doing the bidding of those that prefer a more "private" -- but no less influential -- role in public life.
I believe there is a lot of truth to that. This is why it is foolish to blame Gw for everything that goes on. For gods sake he was blamed for steering the Hurricaine into N.O.There is even a thread attacking him for eating pork. It is ridiculous.
There are a lot more guilty parties in our bloated govt. Fixating on one guy will solve nothing.
Dutch Nick
08-06-2006, 07:54
The story continues...
Former Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith is claiming President George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq, RAW STORY has learned.
In his new book, The End of Iraq: How American Incompetence Created A War Without End, Galbraith, the son of the late economist John Kenneth Galbraith, claims that American leadership knew very little about the nature of Iraqi society and the problems it would face after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
A year after his “Axis of Evil” speech before the U.S. Congress, President Bush met with three Iraqi Americans, one of whom became postwar Iraq’s first representative to the United States. The three described what they thought would be the political situation after the fall of Saddam Hussein. During their conversation with the President, Galbraith claims, it became apparent to them that Bush was unfamiliar with the distinction between Sunnis and Shiites.
Galbraith reports that the three of them spent some time explaining to Bush that there are two different sects in Islam--to which the President allegedly responded, “I thought the Iraqis were Muslims!”
Once considered to be Iraq’s worst enemy, Iran has now created, financed and armed the Shiite Islamic movements within southern Iraq. Since the Iraqi Parliamentary elections of 2005, the Shiites have made considerable political gains and now have substantial influence over the country’s U.S.-created military, its police, and the central government in Baghdad. In addition, Iraq is developing economic ties with Iran that Galbraith believes could soon link the two countries’ strategic oil supplies.
Galbraith says that, “thanks to George W. Bush, Iran today has no closer ally in the world than the Iraq of the Ayatollahs.” As a result, he argues, sending U.S. forces into Iraq, has in effect, made them hostage to Iran and its Iraqi Shiite allies and left the U.S. without a viable military option to halt Iran’s drive to obtain nuclear weapons.
A seasoned diplomat, Galbraith served as the first U.S. ambassador to Croatia, where he negotiated the 1995 Erdut Agreement that ended the Croatian war.
Galbraith fears the United States may have lost the war on the very day it took Baghdad. “The American servicemen and women who took Baghdad were professionals--disciplined, courteous, and task-oriented,” said Galbraith. “Unfortunately, their political masters were so focused on making the case for war, so keen to vanquish their political foes at home, felt certain that Iraqis would embrace American-style democracy, yet they were so blinded by their own ideology that they failed to plan for the most obvious tasks following military victory.”
Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel has been an outspoken Republican critic of the Bush administration's U.S. military occupation of Iraq. A year ago, Hagel told U.S. News magazine: "Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse. The White House is completely disconnected from reality," Hagel told U.S. News. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."
Boogyman
08-06-2006, 12:12
This is why it is foolish to blame Gw for everything that goes on. Fixating on one guy will solve nothing.
Josh, this has been explained more than once. I wish you would read threads more thoroughly and save us all the tiresome chore of repeating points over and over just to bring you "up to speed".
When I myself (and most others here) refer to "Bush" in the context of policy decisions and the like, for all practical purposes we are saying "Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/NeoCon Administration. "Bush" is just easier to type.
Get it?
And everybody should know by now that G.W. Bush is the moron and Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz are the evil masterminds.
Get it?
Dutch Nick
08-06-2006, 12:33
Are you in the following category? If you are, let me know and I'll send you the money to subscribe to a newspaper... cause you must be getting your news from the talking heads at Faux News.
Aug 6, 2006 (AP)— Do you believe in Iraqi "WMD"?
Did Saddam Hussein's government have weapons of mass destruction in 2003?
Half of America apparently still thinks so, a new poll finds, and experts see a raft of reasons why: a drumbeat of voices from talk radio to die-hard bloggers to the Oval Office, a surprise headline here or there, a rallying around a partisan flag, and a growing need for people, in their own minds, to justify the war in Iraq.
People tend to become "independent of reality" in these circumstances, says opinion analyst Steven Kull.
The reality in this case is that after a 16-month, $900-million-plus investigation, the U.S. weapons hunters known as the Iraq Survey Group declared that Iraq had dismantled its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs in 1991 under U.N. oversight. That finding in 2004 reaffirmed the work of U.N. inspectors who in 2002-03 found no trace of banned arsenals in Iraq.
Despite this, a Harris Poll released July 21 found that a full 50 percent of U.S. respondents up from 36 percent last year said they believe Iraq did have the forbidden arms when U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, an attack whose stated purpose was elimination of supposed WMD. Other polls also have found an enduring American faith in the WMD story.
Boogyman
08-06-2006, 12:40
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
---Abraham Lincoln
Or can you??? :wacko:
billdeserthills
08-06-2006, 12:45
Hey Josh wonder if you're Jewish, I am and have several of those boot the batfe pins. I just got my FFL in May& now I have removed them from my hats.
Don't want to **** off my new Daddy!
Holliday
08-06-2006, 15:04
With all the bitching you hear, either George Bush cheated to win both elections or nobody votes, and if you dont vote, then dont bitch.
I voted, but our electoral voting process doesn't make a difference because popular vote doesn't win elections.
I like this Dutch Nick guy. Let's keep him around Boogy, whaddaya say? :D
Holliday
08-06-2006, 15:15
Youre right, whats the point? next election dont vote then, it doesnt make a diffrence, plus it will make the line shorter for me.
Youre right, whats the point? next election dont vote then, it doesnt make a diffrence, plus it will make the line shorter for me.
Call me a hopeless optimist.
My state's 42 electoral votes went to the least corrupt candidate. Did yours? :)
Boogyman
08-06-2006, 15:32
With all the bitching you hear, either George Bush cheated to win both elections or nobody votes, and if you dont vote, then dont bitch.
I think he DID cheat to win both elections. <_< But if you did vote for Bush based on what he promised, then you should be bitching the loudest by now...
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-041.gif
And I always vote, so I can bitch all I want! :lol:
I like this Dutch Nick guy. Let's keep him around Boogy, whaddaya say? :D
Me too. Hes a keeper. ;)
Holliday
08-06-2006, 16:03
Call me a hopeless optimist.
My state's 42 electoral votes went to the least corrupt candidate. Did yours? :)
who is corrupt or not is your opinion so if you ask me, yep they did go to the least corrupt candidate.
Hey Josh wonder if you're Jewish, I am and have several of those boot the batfe pins. I just got my FFL in May& now I have removed them from my hats.
Don't want to **** off my new Daddy!
Nope not Jewish. I just think the JPFO is the best organization fighting for my rights.
I also considered getting my FFL but I cannot stomach the regulations.
Hijack over.
I dont know why the marxists are so ****ed off at G.W. He has done exactly what they would. Expand government power and destroy the constitution.
I think he DID cheat to win both elections. <_<
Somebody cheated for him:
http://www.ameratsu.com/media/2006/0607/w3/courttv_crier_rfk_friedman_vote_060720a_320x240.wm v
I realize that Bush is legally the president. I honestly believe that he was never legitimately elected, however. The evidence is overwhelming, IMO:
http://www.bradblog.com/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
and many more sources.
This does not bode well for the future of the Republic.
If anyone wants to offer real evidence to the contrary, I would be more than happy to read it.
billdeserthills
08-18-2006, 21:19
Say, I don't like most of what GW has accomplished, but I'm still happier that I didn't vote for that gun-grabber,lying,two-faced friend of gun-grabbers everywhere: dumb@#$ KERRY!!
GW is the President because most of the folks voted for him. Period.
And sadly "most of the folks" represents a minority of the citizenry.
Why is that? Because a helluva lot of us, most in fact, don't have the gumption to do our constitutional job, that's why. It is not because we are stupid bastards, it is because we are lazy bastards.
We are supposed to be an informed electorate. But we don't study the material. We sit on our fat asses and watch the flickering box of light and suck it all down and that's plenty work for us. What bull****. What a bunch of cowards. We polish our guns for some ridiculous SHTF fantasy and give away the power of the ballot to scoundrels and fools who will tell us that facism is necessary for our own protection.
Jesus H. Christ. Just how stupid have we all become anyway?
Like a gaggle of foolish old women bitching about the performance of laundry soap. You know, deep knowledge about inconsequential issues.
We all do want something different, right?
We can see the train wreck from the smoke, right? Sure, it is as obvious as an orangutan's ass. So why didn't we see the wreck coming? Why don't we ever see anything coming?
Because we just aren't very good at paying attention, ladies.
Maybe we should all just quit looking for stop lights in the rear-view mirror. Maybe we should each imagine the country we want this to be and each of us work hard, every day, to make the country match the vision.
What do you all think about that?
I think that we might even become smart enough to remain a free people if enough of us commit to sweat a little.
But first we have to completely cut the crap. Stink is as stink does and I for one prefer the smell of biscuits. How about you?
We CAN move this country forward. We DON'T have to remain the silly sons of bitches we appear to be.
You know, my grandkids are at risk here, and so are yours.
So get on with it.
doc
Hey Josh wonder if you're Jewish, I am and have several of those boot the batfe pins. I just got my FFL in May& now I have removed them from my hats.
Don't want to **** off my new Daddy!
This group masquerades as ordinary Democrats. They are the Reds who founded Russian Communism. This and radical Islamic Fascism must be quailed.
Boogyman
08-18-2006, 22:42
Jesus H. Christ. Just how stupid have we all become anyway?
Like a gaggle of foolish old women bitching about the performance of laundry soap.
I like it! :lol:
I'm not entirely sure what you said, but I sure like how you said it... ;)
If your talking about voting, I always vote.
If your talking about campaign donations, I do contribute to candidates that I truly believe in, which isn't that many.
If you mean getting out there and working for a cause, I've done a bit of that too.
If you're referring to getting your message out, debating the issues, and trying to get people to see your point of view, well, I do quite a bit of that right here. :lol:
But if you mean running for office, I draw the line. Hell, who'd vote for a cantankerous, confrontational old fart like me anyway? Besides, you have to like crowds. Forget that! :rolleyes:
But I gotta say your post fired me up some... Think I'll go polish some guns... ;)
Well there was one item stated about going to Radio Shack picking up a patch and then going into a voting booth and hacking out a voting machine I just don't buy that at all. Until someone can show me an over the counter patch that can be purchased I will just call that statement a reach for the stars.
If anyone was going to "hack" out anything IMO it would not be the voting machine, it would be the reader or the storage device. Why? How many hundreds of thousand of voting machines are there? To many to hack out is why!
What really worries me is this lack of a hard copy. I've owned computers since 1983 and I have yet to see one that would not fail sooner or later. One example is backing up our systems. Everyone has or should have a backup because sooner or later your drive will die.
The next thing that worries me about not having a hard copy is if the voting machine's card memory was not wiped clean from the last election!
The next thing that worries me about not having a hard copy is someone voting for me. How can someone do that? With the correct equipment installed at the point of manufacture then a person can vote for me right through the power lines that power the machine from anywhere in the world. Yepper the worlds power lines can double as a Internet connection~~!
I equate to not having a hard copy on the same level as my right to own a gun being taken away from me.
This issue is not Left or Right. This issue is an American issue.
Olds
I equate to not having a hard copy on the same level as my right to own a gun being taken away from me.
This issue is not Left or Right. This issue is an American issue.
Olds
Exactly
Well there was one item stated about going to Radio Shack picking up a patch and then going into a voting booth and hacking out a voting machine I just don't buy that at all. Until someone can show me an over the counter patch that can be purchased I will just call that statement a reach for the stars.
If anyone was going to "hack" out anything IMO it would not be the voting machine, it would be the reader or the storage device. Why? How many hundreds of thousand of voting machines are there? To many to hack out is why!
What really worries me is this lack of a hard copy. I've owned computers since 1983 and I have yet to see one that would not fail sooner or later. One example is backing up our systems. Everyone has or should have a backup because sooner or later your drive will die.
The next thing that worries me about not having a hard copy is if the voting machine's card memory was not wiped clean from the last election!
The next thing that worries me about not having a hard copy is someone voting for me. How can someone do that? With the correct equipment installed at the point of manufacture then a person can vote for me right through the power lines that power the machine from anywhere in the world. Yepper the worlds power lines can double as a Internet connection~~!
I equate to not having a hard copy on the same level as my right to own a gun being taken away from me.
This issue is not Left or Right. This issue is an American issue.
Olds
What worries me about not having a hardcopy, and having internal memory is...
http://www.openvotingfoundation.org/ts/index.html
IF you look, the picture of the motherboard inside the voting machine (which is accessed by removing 4 screws), has a box that instructs you on which position to put the switch to choose where to boot from (external flash, internal memory, etc).
And then there's a nice big standard USB connector labeled "EXT FLASH" on the motherboard.
Not real hard to do. For the average person, sure.. but then.. how do you know it's not tampered with when you leave and the polls close?
In any case, you'd think that the company that makes a vast majority of the (receipt printing) ATMs in the world.., would certainly be capable of making a voting machine that printed a receipt. It's not like they don't understand the technology, and if they don't, why don't we find someone else?
ice-nine
08-21-2006, 08:51
Josh, this has been explained more than once. I wish you would read threads more thoroughly and save us all the tiresome chore of repeating points over and over just to bring you "up to speed".
When I myself (and most others here) refer to "Bush" in the context of policy decisions and the like, for all practical purposes we are saying "Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/NeoCon Administration. "Bush" is just easier to type.
Get it?
And everybody should know by now that G.W. Bush is the moron and Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz are the evil masterminds.
Get it?
Wow, so you really can write your own thoughts down, instead of all these obscure references! :o
Boogyman
08-21-2006, 11:33
Wow, so you really can write your own thoughts down, instead of all these obscure references! :o
Whatever, Icey... at least I'm happy!
Maybe you oughta lighten up a little...:lol:
billdeserthills
08-21-2006, 22:47
I am a locksmith& also a gun dealer by trade, from what I've read, most of these voting machines are made by Diebold. Their company has been making vaults and atm's for years. From what i've seen their maintenance people are some of the dumbest alive anywhere in this country. I have read many times where their tech. will service a safe, vault or atm and forget to put the lock backj together, befor they close the door& then it is locked up until they hire someone intelligent enough to drill it open for them. I sure wouldn't trust these guys to keep the voting machine elections clean.
billdeserthills
08-21-2006, 22:52
Dude, these people are an organization called the JPFO,the letters stand for Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Their website is www.jpfo.org
I think you'll find that you have more in common with their thoughts than against. Why don't you check it out before you shoot it down. Their main belief stems from the way Hirler disarmed the general population, right before the train cattle cars started getting loaded by people eager to sell themselves down the river for a piece of ****ing BREAD. One day, you and everyone else in this country might be very happy for this organization!
ice-nine
08-23-2006, 11:39
Whatever, Icey... at least I'm happy!
Maybe you oughta lighten up a little...:lol:
Boy, you and Jesus Quintana really have a strong reaction to Walter...
I'm glad to hear the meds are working.
Boogyman
08-23-2006, 21:20
Boy, you and Jesus Quintana really have a strong reaction to Walter...
I'm glad to hear the meds are working.
:wacko:
billdeserthills
08-24-2006, 01:25
Sorry, Hilter was supposed to be Hitler, you know WWII.
ice-nine
08-24-2006, 13:49
:wacko:
Your not crazy boogyman, just trapped in the 70's.
Boogyman
08-24-2006, 15:05
Your not crazy boogyman, just trapped in the 70's.
My "wacko" smiley referred to your whacko post, Icey. I realize you thrive on sarcasm, but I'm getting used to your snide inanities.
Psuedo-intellectual egomaniacs often use smug, obscure one-liners to divert attention from their lack of substance. But you'd never resort to that childishness, would you, Icey?
The only meds I take are the occasionl aspirin.
Don't label me with your inaccurate assumptions of who you think I am... you have no idea. <_<
Nick, I have to hand it to you-your independence of thought and analysis, grasp of essential issues, careful and detailed research, lack of hypocrisy, total lack of partisianship etc. is...er...ah ......welllll....astounding.
Dutch Nick
08-25-2006, 05:32
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060822&articleId=3039
I don't see any earpiece, and it's just more of the same Bush we all know by now:
"We... I made my position clear about this war on terror and I... by the way, the enemy made their position clear, yet again, when they... when we are able to stop them."
Huh? But how often does he really make sense?
In fairness, he must have been distracted by something. As president, he ought to be able to recover better than that, though; I mean, his comment truly is gibberish, and this is par for the course with him.
It would perhaps by illuminating to know if he's been prescribed anything for stress or something like that.
Those of us who knew him as governor told you so back in 2000. Can't imagine what the public saw in him to make people think he was presidential material. Must have been his connections that made many folks think he'd be safe, and look what they've gotten us. Lord have mercy.
Some of us must slave in ignorance for we don't have access to the Democratic Manifesto make u p our minds for us. We're handicapped by having to rely upon our own convictions. Please don't hold our lack of canned "enlightnment" against us.
Which conviction of Bush's told him to divert troop strength from the war on Al Qaeda to Iraq? On what principle was Bush standing when he made that choice?
The Republicans have their own "manifesto," only it seems most of the ones now in office have forgotten all about it:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=53172
Very clever turn of phrase there, by the way, "manifesto." I suppose by that you mean to suggest that the Democrat party is somehow "communist," since the most common political usage of the term "manifesto" is in that context. How reasonable, how fair-minded, how "principled" of you.
Let me ask you something. So many were all over Clinton during the Lewinski scandal, rightly saying that, in addition to the moral issue of adultery, and the legal issue of perjury, there was also the issue that Clinton was distracted from his duties. How can you watch Bush's performance in the Fox interview Nick linked to and other footage and not see that something is not right? Here's another example:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_Bush_jokes_hes_crackpot_Donaldson_0802.html
deguello
08-25-2006, 10:21
Well said Josh! If the democrats constitute Stalinism on the installment plan, then Republicans constitute democracy lite. Stay alert,neverturn in your guns,and keep thinking Deguello
deguello
08-25-2006, 10:25
Repeating a lie (Bush stole the elections), doesn't make it true.Boogy (who claims he'sa vet,forgets that it was the democrats who threw out military ballots in FLA in 2000. But then, liberals cannot live without comforting fairy tales,the essence of liberalism is denial of the truth. Deguello
Boogyman
08-25-2006, 19:16
Repeating a lie (Bush stole the elections), doesn't make it true.Boogy (who claims he'sa vet,forgets that it was the democrats who threw out military ballots in FLA in 2000. But then, liberals cannot live without comforting fairy tales,the essence of liberalism is denial of the truth. Deguello
You really are obsessed with the Boogyman, aren't you? You can hardly make a post without bringing up my name. :rolleyes:
Glad to see how deep I'm in your head, Deguello.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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