9mm Carbine...Help me decide! [Archive]

CWO USCG

07-13-2006, 20:03

Hey gang,

I'm having trouble deciding what weapon to add next to my collection. I have it narrowed down to a 9mm pistol caliber carbine. I've decided to go with a pistol carbine for the following reasons:

1. Primary purpose would be for fun at the range and plinking 75 yds and less.
2. 9mm is cheap.
3. I don't have a pistol caliber carbine in my collection yet.
4. Maybe stand in a night or two as the HD weapon.

Here are the models I'm split between:

Ruger PC9

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/RugerPC9.gif

Beretta CX4 Storm

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/BerettaCx4Storm.jpg

Eventually I would like to get both.

I have heard rumors on Rugerforum.com that the PC9 and 40 are to be discontinued. If this is the case, I would imagine it would be wise to pick one of them up now before they are all gone. Has anyone heard the same?

Any input/opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Scott

rugmar

07-13-2006, 20:21

I've heard the same thing about them being discontinued. I'm not sure if it is just a rumor or not. A lot of people think the PC4 and PC9 are overpriced but I'm not one of them. I have a PC9 and it is a ton of fun to shoot. Great design, easy to clean (despite what others say) and fairly accurate. I shoot mine at 75 yds mostly but sometimes at 100 yds. I only use it for shooting targets and clays and cans and I have no problem whatsoever busting clays at 100 yds. Looking at my targets I would say 2 to 3 inches accuracy at 75 to 100 yds. Certainly not a tack driver but plenty accurate to be fun.

In case you can't tell. I like mine.

I've heard nothing but good stuff about the Beretta but I think it is the one that is overpriced. It does get great reviews though and may very well be worth the extra dough. I would never buy one cause I just can't get past the looks of the thing. Looks like a big plastic squirt gun to me.

Get whichever one you want, just get one or the other and I'm sure you'll have a blast. I'd stick with the 9 mm cause it is reasonably priced.

Good luck with your decision! Keep us informed.

DaveyDug

07-13-2006, 20:26

Get the Ruger! I've been wanting one of those things for SOOOOOO long. I just haven't been able to scrape together the fundage.

bubbagump

07-13-2006, 21:21

Both the Ruger and Beretta are nice. Have you looked at the Hi Point carbines. I have heard good things about them. One of the local police departments uses them. Yes the stock is butt ugly but there is a replacement stock available that looks like the Beretta stock. Just a thought.

NWO

07-13-2006, 21:48

I am sure that either the Ruger or the Beretta would be a fine choice. Heck, get them both.

Personally I own the Marlin Camp Nine Carbine. Actually, I own two. They have not been produced in a few years now, but you can usually find a few on Gunbroker.

The Camp series of carbines were (are) reliable, and quite accurate. They are nice to look at as well, all wood and steel. Great fun to shoot as well. High capacity magazines can be had too. They use Smith and Wesson 59/6900 series magazines.
They are going up in price however, since they are not made anymore.

This may be another option for you. You can also find the Camps in .45 ACP, but they are a bit more rare, and allot more pricey.

Scully

07-14-2006, 03:26

rick12337

07-14-2006, 06:01

lol well i got a .40 beretta super soaker i love the thing feels good to me shoots well from what i tell havnt sighted it injust poa shootin so far. plus the gun is fully ambidextrius.oh although i havnt yet its got a built in piccantary rail under the barrel not sure wether to get a flashlight or a laser

CWO USCG

07-14-2006, 08:26

Thanks for the input guys...

So far it's

Ruger: 3
Beretta: 1
Hi Point: 1
Camp Carbine: 1

Sorry Bubba, I think I'll pass on the Hi Point. I can't stand the look of them, plus I was checking one out and the fit and finsih wasn't up to my standard. But I have heard the same with the way they shoot.

Scott

CWO USCG

07-15-2006, 12:41

Well I just got in from the gun pusher. When I walked in, I was set on picking up the PC9. When I checked out the prices my mind had changed. He wanted 575.00 for the PC9 and had the the CX4 on sale for 629.00 (still high compared to some prices on the net). So picked up the storm and got the barrel shroud for 60.00.

I still want the PC9...I have a call out to another gun shop for a price. If the price is right maybe I'll pick it up on Monday.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Billy_B0b

07-15-2006, 13:18

i like the kel-tec sub 2000 for a 9mm pistol carbine

5legion

07-15-2006, 13:57

I owned a PC-4 in .40. Fun little rifle, but I sold it to buy a Mini-14. The PC was fun to play with, but if you're looking to shoot past 100 yrds then look elsewhere IMO. That said - I'd check Gunbroker.com. Usually some good deals on PCs there.

Regards,

5L

adaman04

07-16-2006, 11:26

Either of those would be a fine choice. I like the traditional look of the Ruger, but the Beretta looks AWESOME with a rail mouted light and an Aimpoint.

I really dislike Ruger's politics, as many don't. Also, the way the Beretta mag is in the grip keeps it out of the way.

CWO USCG

07-16-2006, 13:26

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/CX4002.jpg

Along with a friend...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/CX4003.jpg

rugmar

07-16-2006, 20:38

Well I know you're a happy camper. Have fun with it!

BTW, is the Beretta a 9 mm or a .40? I'm not up on the Beretta so the CX-4 designation made me think it might be a .40.

CWO USCG

07-16-2006, 21:21

Rug,

It's a 9. I have yet to venture in the 40 realm at home ...yet.

P-Shooter

07-16-2006, 22:24

Leucoandro

07-17-2006, 08:47

I need to stop reading these posts. Now I feel like I have got to have a PC9 to go with my Ruger P94. I have 4 15 round mags for that. So if I get this rifle I will need to get some more 15 round magazines. with the pistol and Rifle I will need at least 6-8 15 round mags, and I think the rifle only come to non LE with 10 round mags.

gossman

07-17-2006, 10:51

the hi point is a great firearm, you can buy several for the price of one of the others. Mine has been a reliable firearm, has over 10,000 rounds through it since it was purchased. the only problem is their limited mags.

P-Shooter

08-11-2006, 11:25

I saw the Ruger carbine at the NRA show in Pittsburgh and was surprised how heavy it seemed to be for me and a few of the other people there. I suppose it didn't appear to look heavy until you picked it up. I am surprised that none of you have mentioned the weight. Besides that I wonder why it hasn't come out in .45acp. I do happen to be a big Ruger fan.

The Ruger carbine seemed heavy at first, but lately I checked, and its about the weight of my Marlin 1894 .357, which I don't think is too heavy.

I still wonder why Ruger doesn't make it in .45 ACP. If they made two models, one that would use .45 Ruger magazines and a version to use Colt .45 magazines, I would buy the 1911 Mag version for sure. Seems like they would have a winner to me. What do the rest of you think?

bubbagump

08-11-2006, 13:45

If you can find one, the Marlin camp carbines are nice. They are chambered for either 9mm or .45acp. I never owned one but got to shoot them in both calibers. They seemed like good shooters to me at the time. here is a link to Hi Point's web sight where there is an article from Gun Test magazine. The article compares the Ruger to the Hi Point carbine. And if you like the Beretta CX stock, you can now get that type for the Hi Point.
http://www.mkssupply.com/articles.asp

CWO USCG

08-11-2006, 19:40

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/CX4.jpg

25 days with the CX4 and I'm almost finish with it. I have added the following factory accessories.

Barrel Shroud
Bottom/Side Rails
Top Rail
Sling Swivel
Sling
Forward Grip
Soft case
Hard Case (should be here tomorrow)

The last thing I have to add is glass.

I've been thinking about going with the Trijicon Tripower:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/TrijiconTripower.jpg

But I've been hearing good things about the Burris XTS-135 (for half the price):

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/tacticalspeeddot.gif

Does anybody have anything to say about either of these optics?

Thanks,

Scott

TSH77769

08-12-2006, 15:46

I strongly recommend the Kel-Tec SUB2000. After that I would go with the Ruger.

Tsh77769

dchi

09-06-2006, 08:47

I'd go with the Beretta. I've got a colt ar15 9mm, and a vector UZI, shot the beretta, ruger, hipoint and marlin camp 9. Sorry that I sold the marlin, I'd go with that one if you are considering other rifles in 9mm. Its accurate, well balanced not to expesive, easy to mount a scope too and has a decent trigger. Should be able to find one for $300-400.
The ruger is heavy for a blowback nine and the trigger has a LOOOOOT of travel like DA/SA auto pistol in SA mode. Oh I think the rumors true, marlin discontinued making the camp carbine due to low sales even though it was a good rifle. Ruger ain't selling a bunch of PC9's either. Resale value on em is low cmpared to most guns. New about $500+ but I find them used in excellent condition for $350 all the time.
The storm is handy and light just what a pistol carbine should be. Factory trigger is very heavy about 8-9 pounds but can worked on. I think they all are all like that, tried serveral, all heavy.
Hipoint, well its butt ugly, rough edges cheap material, single stack mags not too good trigger but shoots as good as the others at less than half the cost. Still don't like it regardless of cheap price. If you can afford better get better.
Uzi cool look, but heavy for its size, not comforatable and with 16" barrel looks rediculous. Mine is FA open bolt short barrel not much fun to shoot in semi though.
Colt ar 9mm, full size handles well, accurate comforatable 25 and 32 round mags. Bad thing is cost $1200 for gun $50 for colt mags, other mags don't work half the time.
All the above will do 2" or better at 50 yards except the FA uzi. Semi auto closed bolt uzi can shoot 2-3" at 50 yard though.

Oh forgot cobray m11, I rank it below the hipoint, due to in not really being a rifle, just some crappy semi auto style machine pistol with long clamp on metal butt stock and long 16" barrel to be legal. The mags wear out fast, sight are non adjustable and suck, jams when you shoot it really fast as there is no disconector to hold the hammer in place when the bolt is still open. No feed ramp so shoots only ball ammo. Not too reliable, Surprisingly I got under 2" groups at 25 yards with one.

Ghost Tracker

09-06-2006, 11:20

Great Thread! Been considering all the same pistol-caliber carbine options myself. I want one but have been leaning toward the .40 S&W or even 10mm for a bit more punch downrange. The longer carbine barrel length (+16") generally increases velocity 300-400 fps over pistol barrels. As a result, factory +P 9mm ammo grows to .357 mag specs, factory .40 S&W grows to mid-range 10mm, and 10mm grows to a realistic 100 yard caliber. Handloading specifically for the carbine (powder burn-rate & bullet weight) provides an even more impressive carbine barrel advantage. (Will all dedicated .45acp fans & 5.56 defenders please avoid taking this opportunity to feel insulted or ignored, we're just talking here.:D )

Is no one interested in the Mech Tech option? The GLOCK model is rugged, dependable, high-capacity, trigger-tweakable, available in several calibers & shoots very well. Yeah, they're a little heavy & it's expensive if you include the cost of the pistol for the required lower, but if you've already got one (plus a few hi-cap mags) you're $500 ahead of the curve & $300 from a hellacious carbine. Here's an inside tip, you can adapt most any AR type stock to the Mech Tech. If you don't like their cheesy factory stock, get creative & install a Ace Skeleton or a M-4 multi-position model from an AR! They look GREAT. Again, cost is the only limiting factor. There's only 1 other readily available 10mm semi-auto carbine and it's an HK (BIG $!). By the way, from a +16" barrel, the original (hot) 10mm is a genuinely serious stopper.

Also, take a look at the Impulse Carbine (*Google it) from ITB Austria. It's a GLOCK child as well. Available for shipment right to your door, it's got a reputation as a fine shooter & weighs less than 4.5 lbs.! And (again) has all the replacement part, magazine & caliber selection advantage of it's GLOCK starting point. Yeah, it's more pricey than a Hi-Point, Kel-Tec, Ruger or even Beretta carbine if you include the price of the GLOCK pistol. But there's a bunch of GLOCKs around (used) and the combo makes for a very unique pistol caliber carbine. I personally LIKE my shooting buddies expecting something a little different from me when we begin opening gun-cases. And, while I'm as practical (frugal) as the next guy, if there's the slightest chance that my life or the lives of my family could depend on my choice of defensive equipment...the money spent simply becomes insignificant. Maybe I'll try & find that HK.

sortafast

09-08-2006, 19:42

I think that you will really be happy with the CX4 you picked up. My wife and i got one for her 2yrs ago, and its been a great gun. only drawbacks are hi caps are $20-25 each, sights kinda suck and the trigger kinda blows, but its a great shooter and waaay to accurate, even out to 150yds. I can repeatedly drill a milk jug at 150yds open sight no prob. and since its mainly her gun, i am gonna pick one up in the next year and put all the rails on it, probably get one of the 2" MOA aimpoints, a nice light, and about 10 more mags. I have no regrets about getting that gun.

And BTW you cat looks just like my cat. Kinda creepy

gunrun45

09-09-2006, 16:13

The tri-power trijicon is a good scope. You will have a shelf life on its use though due to the night sight primary sighting system. You can send it back to get the ampule replaced, but its expensive. I love my aimpoint (original befroe the Buris sight you listed). It is dependable, reliable and very robust. I'm thinking on upgrading to the new model for its longer battery life.

Never tried the Buris model you have listed above.

rugmar

09-09-2006, 19:02

I have that Burris XTS with a 3 moa dot on a mini-14 and really like it alot.

cambell

09-29-2006, 06:11

i have a beretta storm and love it. if i could do it all over again i would buy the storm in a 45 or 40 instead of the 9mm. other than that its a great gun. with the right ammo i can get 3 touching holes in a target at 50 yards. the storm is the only gun i have been able to do that with.

rick12337

09-29-2006, 09:01

yah i have about 300 rounds through my storm now not a single hicup or burp i have also noticed this is a very clean shooting gun havnt had to do much of a cleaning

CWO USCG

09-29-2006, 17:56

Once again, Thanks for the input guys.

I picked up an Aimpoint 7000SC off of a guy on AR15.com for $270.00. It looks like it might co-witness with the iron sights. We'll see. It should be here next week. If it doesn't I'm sure it will work well with the PC9 that is next on the wish list.

Scott

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/Aimpoint.jpg

CWO USCG

09-29-2006, 18:05

Gunrun,

Would you be so kind to post a pic of your CX4 with the Aimpoint on it?

Thanks,

Scott

gunrun45

09-30-2006, 16:33

Gunrun,

Would you be so kind to post a pic of your CX4 with the Aimpoint on it?

Thanks,

Scott

Sorry dude,
Mine is on My M4, I don't own a storm. I have shot those that belong to other people, but I don't own one (stated in another thread).

CWO USCG

10-08-2006, 11:14

Here's an updated pic with the Aimpoint sight installed. It cowitnesses nicely.

Scott

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/CX4-1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/Reddot.jpg

TDSP

10-11-2006, 12:48

Yeah, this thread is fairly over, but I will step in and say that I have a Hi-point 9mm carbine and love it. The thing is in-de-structable. My one problem with it was my own damn fault (didn't re-tighten the front reticle assembly when I tore the gun down to clean and it fell off).

I've put about 7000 rounds through it, cheapest ammo out there to high dollar hollow points and it has performed like a champ. More accurate than an MP-5 (yes I know it cycles faster and is set up to be bust/semi auto ;)). Works great with the factory sights (has a ghost ring style), and even better with a cheapie red/green dot bushnell I got. Comes with a weaver rail, etc.

I'll echo that the small magazines are a weakness, but mine drops a mag so smoothly, I think that in a SHTF situation it wouldn't be a big issue (have 2 extras in an elastic thing on the butt).

sortafast

10-11-2006, 20:18

I'll echo that the small magazines are a weakness, but mine drops a mag so smoothly, I think that in a SHTF situation it wouldn't be a big issue (have 2 extras in an elastic thing on the butt).
I sure hope you you have more than 2 extra mags for a SHTF situation. you can usually shoot faster than you can reload

TDSP

10-12-2006, 12:06

I sure hope you you have more than 2 extra mags for a SHTF situation. you can usually shoot faster than you can reload

Oh, I have far more than 2 mags, I just have those two right there ;)

I actually need to figure out a better system to keep them handy than I have now (have an old boonie jacket with mag loops about the right size).

TwinRugers

10-12-2006, 14:03

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/CX4-1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/Reddot.jpg

Damn, I was wanting a 9mm AR, but I think you have swayed me!!! Do you run 20 round Mec Gar mags? or just factory berreta?

I have a camp nine witha tasco pro point plus on it. It's a good gun, but it just feels like a big 10/22. I have a few 20 round mecgars loaded with 147 grn. winchester hollow points though.

I think I'm in love with that storm though. Is that barrel shroud a factory accessory?

CWO USCG

10-12-2006, 17:53

Damn, I was wanting a 9mm AR, but I think you have swayed me!!! Do you run 20 round Mec Gar mags? or just factory berreta?

Right now I have it set up to use the 92FS magazines which I have a ton of 15 rounders. As soon as I get my Connecticut pistol permit (any day now) I'm going to try to trade my Glock 17 for a Beretta PX4 9mm. Then I will get the magazine conversion kit for my CX4 to run the PX4 mags. Following it up with a bunch of these:

Beretta Factory PX4 20 Rounders

http://www.berettaweb.com/Beretta PX4/px4-magazines.jpg

I have a camp nine witha tasco pro point plus on it. It's a good gun, but it just feels like a big 10/22. I have a few 20 round mecgars loaded with 147 grn. winchester hollow points though. I think I'm in love with that storm though. Is that barrel shroud a factory accessory?

Yes it is a Factory barrel shroud (all my doodads, minus the Aimpoint are Beretta Factory). It ran me 60 bux at the gunshop where I bought it.

If you never handled the CX4 before you might be a bit shocked at the weight. I was very surprised the first time I picked one up, thought it would be a plastic POS, I was wrong. It's solid. It's much cheaper (price wise) than a 9mm AR. I'd go for it!

Scott

rugmar

10-14-2006, 11:03

Well I have to say....It is awesome the way it co-witnesses. Wonder if it would have with the Burris XTS you were considering?

rugmar

11-01-2006, 16:37

I will take the liberty of posting this pic in your thread. Hope that's ok. I thought it might be nice to have related pictures to the guns being discussed in this thread.

I just wanted to show my new setup on my PC9. I added a Weigand rail and then put a Burris Speeddot 135 on top. I'll probably change the scope to an XTS 135 or maybe even something like the Aimpoint shown above in the near future. To bad there is no way to make this thing co-witness with the irons. Anyway......here's the picture.

CWO USCG

11-01-2006, 17:03

Nice setup Rugmar. Can you get cheek weld with that configuration? I was comtemplating the Weigland rail but I think I will settle for an optic with a 30mm tube so I can use the factory rings.

rugmar

11-01-2006, 17:21

Yeah the cheek weld is perfect. I was a little worried about it but because the Weigand mount sits so low it is not a problem.

If I was you I would not change a thing about your Storm. Man that is an awesome setup. I never really liked the Storm too much until I saw yours. Just the sheer functionality of it has got my interest now and the thing looks great to boot.

CWO USCG

11-03-2006, 20:45

I was thinking of getting an Aimpoint COMP M2 for the Storm. I think I could get a good lower third cowitness with it. The 7000SC would be better suited for the PC9. Now I have to figure what height rings to get.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/E11.gif

Armed Beachbum

11-04-2006, 19:49

I have a Hi Point 9mm carbine. I can't recommend it to anyone with discerning taste. What it has going for it is that it goes "Bang" each time you pull the trigger. It is built like a Russian farm implement and it is cheaper than dirt. They can be had new for between $150-$200. I got mine for a truck gun. It is Butt-ugly and wont get any worse from being padlocked to the seat frame.

I had to adjust the front sight up nearly 1/2" and the rear sight all the way to the left to get the gun on target. But it is now on target with 3" groups at 50 yds. That may qualify it to be a piece of crap, but it is a piece of crap that rides with me always and I don't care if it gets dinged. That is something to think about if you are not rich but feel you deserve your rights under the 2nd Amendment.

hm2 clark

11-04-2006, 20:13

I am currently refinishing a Marlin Camp 9. Got it last week for 124 bucks. It will also need a new recoil buffer. The trigger is great. Shot one years ago and I liked it a lot. Might be a good first centerfire for my 10 year old daughter.

garza1290

11-05-2006, 07:17

One of worst mistakes I have made in the past 4 months was selling my PC9! Regardless of what has been said thus far I must add my .02 worth. I liked my PC9 for several reasons: 1.) It has a nostalgic look to it resembling the M1 carbine in my opinion. 2.) Despite the weight, it felt great and was well balanced and accurate enough. 3.) Ammo is cheap and 30 round mags were very affordable. I think its the perfect companion as a camp gun or for SHTF (providing you have a bunch of 30 rounders). My only complaint was I cound never find a folding stock for it anywhere! A folding stock would have been the perfect accessory. Saving up to buy another one later on.

Powerkicker

11-05-2006, 07:43

Get a Hi-point carbine. They're ugly but they're cheap and they work.

magnomark

11-05-2006, 09:41

:blink: Do those highpoint carbines use the same mags as hipoint pistols?I bought a ruger just because of that reason-ruger rifle/pistol mags are interchangeable!;) :sniper:

Arizona Mikey

11-05-2006, 11:23

I have a Hi Point 9mm carbine. I can't recommend it to anyone with discerning taste. . . That may qualify it to be a piece of crap, but it is a piece of crap that rides with me always and I don't care if it gets dinged.

:lol: I've always thought that the Hi Points were crap, too . . . but I may have to change my tune if they work as well as everyone says they do. Beauty is as beauty does, right?

If they come out with a .40 (as they've promised . . .) or .45 version, I'll probably think about joining the Hi Point crowd myself!

Ray P

11-05-2006, 14:51

Also been thinking of adding a 9mm or .45 carbine to match the pistols. Right now, the only matching pistol/carbine combos I have are in .44mag:) & .50bp:blink:.

Must admit though, I was looking in a different direction than the PC (how I hate that name) or the Berretta.

I did try an Uzi class III once when I was in Pensacola for CWO/LDO knife & fork school. I really liked it, and wouldn't mind a semi version of my own. Vector offered an Uzi (semi) in 16" bbl or Short-barreled Rifle config; and they are supposed to be back on the market soon. Does anyone have info on Vector quality? Uzi mags are everywhere, and cheap.

Another thought is one of the Olympic Arms 9mm or .45 uppers.
S&W 76 semi-auto clone: http://www.southernohiogun.com/swsw76xpop.html
Vector Uzis: http://www.vectorarms.com/indexframe.html
There is a PC9 at KY Imports for $359.99: http://www.kyimports.com/rifle4.htm
Edited to add links.

magnomark

11-05-2006, 18:54

;) Good price on that pc9;)

Ray P

11-05-2006, 19:49

It would be nice though, if someone made an aftermarket vertical magazine for the Ruger 44 carbine, like the ones available for the 10/22.

An IMI Desert Eagle and a large-cap magazine-fed Ruger 44 carbine... The stuff of dreams.

It does sound great when people talk about swapping out mags between their carbine and pistol, but why limit a mag-fed carbine to a pistol-capacity magazine?

edited for sp.

P-Shooter

11-06-2006, 12:14

centerfiresystems.com has the replacement stock for these in case you want to see what they look like and need a price check and source. I should add that I am referring to the Hi-Point carbine.

garza1290

11-07-2006, 19:58

I was at the local gun store today to shoot the breeze and I rememberd this post and I began lookn to see if they had a PC9 for sale.....they sure did and I imediatly began thinking of how I could gather the 460.00 for a new one when amy buddy behind the counter hands me a 9 mm carbine by Kel Tec. For about half the price I could take this "fugly" carbine home. I thought about it and looked her up and down and felt her up quit a bit and started getting attached. What I liked about it was that it uses Glock mags and I know I have a couple of seventeen rounders and two 30 rounders in my gun closet (Sold my Glock 17 about three months ago but couldn't just give away all the mags!) plus the darn thing folds in half for easy storage or concealment! Has anyone ever shot one of these unusually ugly things and what are your thoughts.

TwinRugers

11-16-2006, 01:32

really want an extended mag for the Ruger 44 magnum as well.

rugmar

11-16-2006, 09:56

really want an extended mag for the Ruger 44 magnum as well.

Me too me too! I have always thought how nice that would be.

Dutch Nick

11-22-2006, 18:51

I bought a PC9 when they first came out. One of the reasons I bought it was it handles +P+ ammo and I'd just bought several cases of the Hurtenberger sub-gun ammo that they were practically giving away at the time.

Oh... if you do buy one, CDNN Investments is selling the Ruger factory hi-cap mags at really decent prices. I bought an extra half dozen last week. Only problem was they were so old, the factory sticker had to be removed with solvent.

Former USCG PO1

garza1290

11-29-2006, 20:36

Now that I think about it, the Ruger PC9 cycles CCI 9MM shot shells and I was able to shoot them as fast as I could full the trigger out of my 15 and 30 round mags. I don't know what practical purpose this could serve but it sure was fun. Does it havin a delayed blow back action have anything to do with it?

gossman

12-01-2006, 16:05

Here is another plug for the cheap ugly High Point Carbine. Mine has thousands of rounds though it, left dirty behind the seat of a truck, never had the bore scrubbed, sprayed brake cleaner inside the action once in a while when it was getting really cruddy. I bought the gun for $75 from the
2nd owner, neither one had ever cleaned it. I got it cause it was fun, accurate enough to hit a paper plate every shot at 50 yards. Shot the crap out of it for a couple of years until it would not fire the 9th round. Called HighPoint to see how much it would cost to fix, they said send it in it is free. So for the cost of shipping, two weeks later got back a completely new gun, new stock, new slide, new stuff all around. Great service and great gun!

garza1290

12-01-2006, 20:43

Hmmm....that kind of customer service makes me really want to get one now. Today I felt it up again at the gun store. Not too crazy about the front sight but the fact that it can fold in half for easy storage, is cheap, affordable and kinda cool looking makes me want one. Still, I love that PC9!

cdevon1200

12-01-2006, 21:08

gossman

12-01-2006, 23:19

I have the compensator on the end and the front ring and site are painted white. It is a great pointing carbine and gets a bad wrap for being cheap BUT it has been a great little gun. Now I am thinking about the .40
Cheaper than Dirt carries a bullpup stock for under $100 to spice it up but I have grown to like the original nylon.

Surry Co. Kid

12-02-2006, 06:07

O hell I just gotta be diffrent,anybody tried these out.Iwant one bad! .45acp of course! http://mechtechsys.com/

garza1290

12-02-2006, 07:04

Intresting! But can it fold in half?:D

BlkHawk73

12-02-2006, 09:45

A co-worker has talked about trying one of those upper units on a Glock or 1911. Wasn't too impressed with it. Don't recall the details. Again, it doesn't fold which we all know is a 100% must becuase otherwide well...it's just not crapicool. :rolleyes:
Myself, I'd maybe go for one of the lder marlin camp carbines or what I looked at recently, a HK94.

magnomark

12-14-2006, 21:35

:lol: Just picked up a pc9 two days ago,have'nt been able to shoot it yet tho-weathers been in the toilet.BTW-the gun dealer said that ruger stopped making them now.If you want one you might need to move fast before they're all gone.Remember what happened to the marlin camp 45s?:D <_<

chrisb

12-15-2006, 08:05

I so want a camp 45. That and a new SA 1911 would make me very happy inside.

magnomark

12-15-2006, 21:19

:) I got one of those camp 45s about 4yrs ago(can't remember exactly)but shortly after that (bout 3 months) Marlin quit making them,and the price on any left overs went up quickly!Now I have people asking me to find them one at almost any (reasonable price)-trouble is that they are almost invisable where I live.I guess the general audience of gunowners finally realised the guns potential after they were discontinued.;)

rugmar

12-15-2006, 23:16

magnomark

12-16-2006, 09:50

;) I actually heard it from two different dealers,both gave different reasons.I guess I'll have to check out the ruger website?<_<

rugmar

12-16-2006, 11:13

Well I keep hearing rumors but so far that is all it's been, rumors. It's a great little gun. The only complaint I have with mine is the trigger.

I think they could make one in .45 and it would sell very well. My guess is that the PC4 and PC9 are slow movers but that doesn't immediately spell the end of the road.

Ray P

12-16-2006, 11:46

Does anyone make a carbine in .50AE?

Billy_B0b

12-16-2006, 23:06

Does anyone make a carbine in .50AE?

alexander arms makes an AR-15 platform that shoots the .50 Beowulf cartride... its a 50 caliber bullet

http://www.alexanderarms.com/beowulf.htm

rugerdaddy

12-18-2006, 19:54

OK, you guys got me all excited about all of these great carbines. I started thinking about which would be best for me- maybe one of each! Then, I remembered I live in California. :(

The ONLY one of all these that I can buy is the Ruger carbine- it doesn't have a pistol grip, therefore it's MUCH less dangerous to society. Anyway, I have placed the Ruger 9mm carbine on my list of weapons to buy ASAP. Thanks for all of the great info and reading on this thread. :)

skinnygun

12-19-2006, 01:57

garza1290

12-19-2006, 07:43

I have a Mech-Tech on my 1911 14+1 Poly Kimber, it works great.I also have a 1911 with a 16" barrel and a under folding stock makes a very light weight rifle..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/skinnygun/IMG_3005.jpg
"therefore it's MUCH less dangerous to society" The Ruger carbine nor any other carbine, firearm is a danger to society. What folks choose to do with them can make them dangerous, but the firearm itself is not. Just thought I'd make that point. ;)

rugerdaddy

12-19-2006, 08:56

"therefore it's MUCH less dangerous to society" The Ruger carbine nor any other carbine, firearm is a danger to society. What folks choose to do with them can make them dangerous, but the firearm itself is not. Just thought I'd make that point. ;)

Of course. My comment was toungue-in-cheek, intending to make the same point you have. :)

goatman556

02-03-2007, 15:31

have you considered one of the HK94 Clones by special weapons or Bobcat?

CWO USCG

02-03-2007, 23:15

have you considered one of the HK94 Clones by special weapons or Bobcat?

Interesting looking weapons. I'm not too fond of the long barrels to overall size of the carbine. I just ordered a PC9 yesterday from budsgunshop.com

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70272

Can't beat the price...399.99

I guess the decision is now moot.

Thanks for all the input.

Billy_B0b

02-04-2007, 10:35

i ordered a kel-tec sub2k in 9mm (glock17) about a month ago... still waiting on the shop to locate one

waiting sux:angry:

CWO USCG

02-14-2007, 19:40

Well here it is with the Aimpoint I took off of my CX4. Does anybody know where I can get some Ruger low 30mm rings in a black matte finish? The reddot is a bit high for my taste. Also appearing is the complementing P95.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/PC9-P95.jpg

ono

02-14-2007, 21:35

I bought a Hi-point 9mm because I wasn't really in the market but for $149 I thought I needed a little something under the tree this year. 100% reliable, great sights and accurate out of the box. Only complaint is loading the mag. and the somewhat crude appearance.

The Ruger and the rest are finished much better but for the money what the heck! This way I'm not that nervous about leaving it behind the seat of my pickup.

Indyarms

03-17-2007, 20:42

+1 on the hipoint... I just posted an image of this in the other "carbine" thread up on the page, there... all decked out to the 9's... LOL

Its funny... I have over $400.00 in that little $179.00 rifle. hahahah

:lol:

timlt

03-18-2007, 13:42

CWO, that is one nice-looking set. I'm envious. If Ruger were still making those carbines, I like that idea of being able to share mags/ammo so much, that it might overcome my current resistance to buying more Ruger products.

One thing I've always been curious about is the accuracy of those carbines beyond 50 yards. Now obviously they're not a long-range weapon, that's understood. But I'd love to know how one can do at say, 75 or 100 yards.

No pressure on this, but if you get a chance while you're at the range or plinking, would you mind blasting a few 5-shot groups at say 75 or 100 yards, and tell us how it does?

I'd also love to know what kind of velocity and energy can be achieved with 9mm rounds fired from that carbine, vs. from a 4" barrel. Do you know of any data showing the comparative ballistics of ammo fired from the carbine versus a pistol?