View Full Version : Accu-strut Beta launch
Thought I'd start a thread as we close in on the official launch. The first pilot production run of the Accu-strut will be considered a beta test, both for our own production and quality methods, and also for you end-users as we gather field data on how well the strut actually helps your mini's shoot.
As I have reported recently, we hit a slight hurdle when the internal damper needed a complete redesign. The damper produced significant enough results at the shooting bench that I didn't want to produce the strut without it. I am waiting on a couple prototypes that will verify the new design works, after which I am expecting to push quickly to get the first batch of completed units out.
And just to prove that I am indeed making struts, here's part of the initial batch waiting for internals...
lima-charlie
06-21-2006, 20:48
Will you count me in? I cant wait to see how it performs. Although I have not been waiting near as long as many others, I look forward to purchasing and participating.
Thanks, Kkina.
lima-charlie
glockk9mm
06-21-2006, 22:34
how much will the strut go for? And how is installation?
how much will the strut go for? And how is installation?
This inital batch will be sold at $75, deeply discounted for all my friends on Perfect Union;) . Installation is 4 allen screws- can't get much simpler than that?
Great news!
Can't wait to order one.
brandon1
06-22-2006, 07:16
Good job---let us know when they are available.
RuttCrazed
06-22-2006, 08:21
Any stainless struts and clamps in the beta test group?
Rut
stevekaw
06-22-2006, 12:02
OH. BOY! CAN'T. BELIEVE. IT'S. ALMOST. HERE!
[giggling with excitement like a little schoolgirl (almost)]
:D
Edited because spelling's important!
Old Fool
06-22-2006, 12:58
Sir
I WANT ONE!!!!!
I am new here, so I probably won't get one of the first batch, but that is OK, I can wait!!!
Thanks for producing such a neat product:D
ryan_kalani
06-22-2006, 14:30
Yippee! :lol:
Dorkface
06-22-2006, 15:51
Sweet!:D
I like the use of the boxes too. I use my Lake City 7.62 boxes for simliar things :lol:
Any stainless struts and clamps in the beta test group?
Rut
No, afraid not. Stainless is a lot harder to spec in, and we are running too late on R&D as it is. This will have to be a later version.
George S
06-22-2006, 20:26
Will we be able to order thru your website??
Will we be able to order thru your website??
Initially, that will be the only place to order.
RuttCrazed
06-23-2006, 08:29
No, afraid not. Stainless is a lot harder to spec in, and we are running too late on R&D as it is. This will have to be a later version.
I can wait.:D
Rut
WhyteP38
06-23-2006, 09:40
Installation is 4 allen screws- can't get much simpler than that?
Having made my own strut, the Accu-Strut is the way to go, IMHO. You'll get a well-built, well-engineered product, avoid the hassle of making your own, and not spend as much money on test ammo. Ultimately, it may be cheaper to buy than to "roll your own," especially if you're like me and consider your time has its own monetary value.
Two questions:
1) Do you have a method for ensuring proper alignment of the strut and clamps on the barrel? Aligning my strut proved to be the most difficult part of the process. If I'm not careful, it sits at a slight angle to the barrel, and I'm certain that the angle impairs effectiveness.
2) Will you have suggested clamp placements that are tuned for Mini-14s and Mini-30s? Based on my experience with my strut compared to the experiences of others with homemade struts, it seems the Mini-14 requires a different clamp placement (at least for the front clamp) than the Mini-30 for maximum effectiveness.
Thanks.
I had the opposite experience- alignment of the strut did not seem to affect performance at all. So I think eye-balling it is just fine.
I have also found that exact clamp placement is not super-critical. Somewhere near the middle of the barrel works just fine. The Accu-strut does not need to be "tuned" by clamp placement. I have no reason to believe the situation would be the Mini-30 would be any different, but have not actually tested on a -30 either.
WhyteP38
06-23-2006, 21:26
Excellent, thanks. My rinky-dink strut was a fun project, but it doesn't have nearly the attention to detail and quality of an Accu-Strut, so its effectiveness is probably more easily degraded by small variables.
Killer@nz
06-26-2006, 18:08
Is there gonna be any issues shipping internationally? I have been looking forward to this for a while (although not as long as some), and I would be disappointed if I was unable to get one due to shipping problems. I do however understand it maybe out of your control but some indication would be great. Thanks for your time :D
Is there gonna be any issues shipping internationally? I have been looking forward to this for a while (although not as long as some), and I would be disappointed if I was unable to get one due to shipping problems. I do however understand it maybe out of your control but some indication would be great. Thanks for your time :D
Ooh...I'll have to check on this.
glockk9mm
06-27-2006, 00:08
I was thinking of going all out on the mini but ill have to wait. For now would the accu-strut and just a muzzlebrake help accuracy?
I was thinking of going all out on the mini but ill have to wait. For now would the accu-strut and just a muzzlebrake help accuracy?
Definitely worth a try, though I may be a little biased.;) Seriously, I have seen this combination work near miracles with the Mini.
I'd still think about bedding the stock and maybe a trigger job, a strut won't help those things.
glockk9mm
06-27-2006, 21:11
Definitely worth a try, though I may be a little biased.;) Seriously, I have seen this combination work near miracles with the Mini.
I'd still think about bedding the stock and maybe a trigger job, a strut won't help those things.
Mabe i should just take care of the bedding and cutting the barrel first.
We have been waiting KKina, so keep us informed. We are all looking forward to it's release. Thanks for all of the work. kwg
We have been waiting KKina, so keep us informed. We are all looking forward to it's release. Thanks for all of the work. kwg
You guys have been waiting? Geez, you shoulda said something. :lol:
BFD45Medic
07-04-2006, 08:30
I'm glad to hear that the Accu-strut is coming along well, and I'll be looking forward to purchasing one. I have a stainless mini, (I'm NOT going to ask for a stainless accu strut...), and was thinking that I could probably find a decent spraypaint that would match the barrel color. That way the need for different material to make a "stainless" model would not be necessary. Just a thought to ponder.........<_<
WhyteP38
07-12-2006, 09:05
You guys have been waiting? Geez, you shoulda said something.
Reminds me of a Paul Simon tune, modified to fit the occasion:
"Still waiting,
After all these years" :)
RuttCrazed
07-13-2006, 08:15
I'm glad to hear that the Accu-strut is coming along well, and I'll be looking forward to purchasing one. I have a stainless mini, (I'm NOT going to ask for a stainless accu strut...), and was thinking that I could probably find a decent spraypaint that would match the barrel color. That way the need for different material to make a "stainless" model would not be necessary. Just a thought to ponder.........<_<
Didn't someone blast their barrel with aluminum oxide for a pretty close match?
Rut
hm2 clark
07-15-2006, 15:12
Gotta ask "Would it be better to wait to these things are made, then wait till people try them out and report back, then wait till the mark 2' come out with the necessary engineering changes (field trials almost show problems with first trys); or bite the bullet to spend the money to get your Mini professionally rebarreled and know you got like you always wanted it?"
Leucoandro
07-15-2006, 15:26
kkina
I was just looking over the Perfect union for some muzzle brakes and saw your other forum. I had seen your posting on the original Prototype. I thought that it was interesting, but never thought of making one because it didnt quiet follow the lines of the rifle. Well I just was looking at the newer style you have, and found out you were going to start marketing these things. All I can say is I am very impressed. Until now I have never wanted to put anything on my Mini-30 that would change the external appearance of the rifle, but with the changes you made that make it look more like the M-14, I feel that I must have one. I know that I am too late to get in line for the promo deal, but I would love to buy one at regular price. I am going on leave back state side in september and I would love to try it out.
Awsome work.
Looking in the mirror at myself I see: http://www.susanminor.org/Rayeimages/gif/Launch243.gifas I don't know what this item does....
Would someone explain it to me... in simple terms as at possible as at my age my brain does not work so good...
Thanks~~!
Olds
Leucoandro
07-15-2006, 16:16
I just thought of a couple of questions for you.
Have you tested torquing the clamps to different Inch pounds? Does that seem to have any effect on accuracy?
Also have you tested this product in tandum with anything like the Ultimak Mini 14 Scout Scope Mount?
I would be interested in knowing if I put on the Accu-strut, then later put on the Scout Scope Mount, if that would have interupt, depriciate any accuracy gains from the Accu-strut, no noticable impacts, or possibly improve accuracy a little more.
Thanks
Charlie
Dorkface
07-15-2006, 21:36
Gotta ask "Would it be better to wait to these things are made, then wait till people try them out and report back, then wait till the mark 2' come out with the necessary engineering changes (field trials almost show problems with first trys); or bite the bullet to spend the money to get your Mini professionally rebarreled and know you got like you always wanted it?"
kkina has done extensive testing. Theres a couple of threads in the mini section that are many many many many many many many many many pages long that cronical the development this. :) I have no worries.
Gotta ask "Would it be better to wait to these things are made, then wait till people try them out and report back, then wait till the mark 2' come out with the necessary engineering changes (field trials almost show problems with first trys); or bite the bullet to spend the money to get your Mini professionally rebarreled and know you got like you always wanted it?"
Well, it's your call of course, but let me say this. The initial product version coming out is essentially a second iteration; version one of the strut (with no internal dampener) was tested in-house but of course never released. I tend to be a "best foor forward" kind of guy, and prefer to engineer to completeness before releasing a product. That said, you're right in that field trials and beta launches almost always uncover "opportunity areas" of varying magnitude that can be corrected in later versions.
If on the other hand you are inclined to rebarrel, be my guest, just remember: higher cost, increased weight.
kkina
I was just looking over the Perfect union for some muzzle brakes and saw your other forum. I had seen your posting on the original Prototype. I thought that it was interesting, but never thought of making one because it didnt quiet follow the lines of the rifle. Well I just was looking at the newer style you have, and found out you were going to start marketing these things. All I can say is I am very impressed. Until now I have never wanted to put anything on my Mini-30 that would change the external appearance of the rifle, but with the changes you made that make it look more like the M-14, I feel that I must have one. I know that I am too late to get in line for the promo deal, but I would love to buy one at regular price. I am going on leave back state side in september and I would love to try it out.
Awsome work.
Thank you for the kind words! In fact, you may very well have access to the introductory price (probably $75), I will try to have enough inventory to meet the initial demand.
Looking in the mirror at myself I see: http://www.susanminor.org/Rayeimages/gif/Launch243.gifas I don't know what this item does....
Would someone explain it to me... in simple terms as at possible as at my age my brain does not work so good...
Thanks~~!
Olds
Please check out my website for a technical explanation of how the Accu-strut works. In a nutshell, the device reduces recoil vibration at the muzzle by stabilizing and dampening the barrel. This translates to less deviation in bullet path, i.e. greater accuracy.
I just thought of a couple of questions for you.
Have you tested torquing the clamps to different Inch pounds? Does that seem to have any effect on accuracy?
Also have you tested this product in tandum with anything like the Ultimak Mini 14 Scout Scope Mount?
I would be interested in knowing if I put on the Accu-strut, then later put on the Scout Scope Mount, if that would have interupt, depriciate any accuracy gains from the Accu-strut, no noticable impacts, or possibly improve accuracy a little more.
Thanks
Charlie
I can't see how minor changes in clamping force would affect accuracy at all. Certainly at the two extreme ends there would be an effect (both negative). Too loose and there would no longer be a rigid vibrational system. Too tight and there could theoretically be compression of the barrel.
We have test the affects of relocating the clamps, and the results were negative. Small changes in the position of the clamps along the barrel showed no affect at all on accuracy.
I am curious also to see the effect of combining an Ultimak-type rail attachment and the Accu-strut. I have no idea what the outcome would be. Do not have time right now to test, however, this will have to go on the backburner. Or maybe someone out there will try it.
Leucoandro
07-17-2006, 07:18
Thanks for the Info kkina
I know the Gas block benifits from gaping and even Torquing, I didnt know if the same would hold true with the Accu-Strut.
Thank you...went to your site. Interesting to say the least.
Please put me on the waiting list as well. I would be very interested in trying one if there are enough to go around when they become available.
texascarl
08-06-2006, 08:29
Please add me to the list as well.
dmckean44
08-14-2006, 16:54
Please add me to the list too.
Thanks
Please add me to the list also.
battletweeter
08-15-2006, 21:03
add me to the list too :) your creation is a bit easier on the eyes than mine..
ryan_kalani
08-16-2006, 02:58
what is this "list" for?
Very nice to see the box o' goodies my friend! Its been a while and I'm sure you're about ready to have this product out. Keep up the good work, Ill be getting one so long as it will fit on my 16.25" barrel. Thanks for sticking with it.
Chuck
what is this "list" for?
To be honest, I'm not sure. Someone said casually they wanted to be on the "list", and others chimed in, and now there's a bunch of people on it. I've never started an official waiting list. Well, maybe it gives me an idea how many struts will go out initially. I suppose if there's a run on the initial production, and someone said they wanted the introductory price, I would probably honor that.
ryan_kalani
08-17-2006, 02:13
To be honest, I'm not sure. Someone said casually they wanted to be on the "list", and others chimed in, and now there's a bunch of people on it. I've never started an official waiting list. Well, maybe it gives me an idea how many struts will go out initially. I suppose if there's a run on the initial production, and someone said they wanted the introductory price, I would probably honor that.
That's exactly what i thought. I was like wtf are these people doing signing up for this imaginary list.
That's exactly what i thought. I was like wtf are these people doing signing up for this imaginary list.
List or no list - i want an accu-strut Kkina!
I reckon the the big question is, when will they be ready to sell?
Just a friendly reminder to keep up the good work on the Accu-Strut, I think it looks great, I'll definately be buying one as soon as you start selling them, the suspense is killing me. Good luck.
Creeping Incrementalism
08-23-2006, 22:11
The website doesn't seem to be up, does anyone know what's going on?
http://www.accu-strut.com/ is the URL, right?
The website doesn't seem to be up, does anyone know what's going on?
http://www.accu-strut.com/ is the URL, right?
It should be back up in 24 hours, I think. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Production update (just trying to keep you guys in the loop): full internal inventory should be satisfied by mid-September, and of course final assembly will follow hard upon. So we're looking at an October release (?)
WhyteP38
09-02-2006, 12:34
That's excellent news. Plus, the projected release date gives enough time to squirrel away the money in bits and pieces so the wife doesn't find out about it. :lol:
I sure hope that us norwegians can get our hands on the Accu-S, if not we will eat poisoned mushrooms and drink 4 gallons of mead and sail over there in our longship and pillage and rape untill we find the Strutt he he the M-14 look it offers is just great so :cool: :cool: 2 thumbs upp for the designe.
stevekaw
09-22-2006, 16:58
I sure hope that us norwegians can get our hands on the Accu-S, if not we will eat poisoned mushrooms and drink 4 gallons of mead and sail over there in our longship and pillage and rape untill we find the Strutt he he the M-14 look it offers is just great so :cool: :cool: 2 thumbs upp for the designe.
Now the Norse guys want to violate our borders? Sheesh! kkina, better be careful...I almost thought Fjoffe said he was going to put two thumbs up the designer!
:o
lima-charlie
09-23-2006, 20:38
Fjoffe and stevekaw, you both have a great sense of humor!
Hey kkina! Hows the testing? Did you get your rifle back from Ruger yet?
I hope all is well.
lima-charlie
Hey kkina! Hows the testing? Did you get your rifle back from Ruger yet?
I hope all is well.
lima-charlie
Thanks, Lima. Pah-hah! Back yet? I haven't even got the work estimate yet. I don't expect to see it for some 3 months. (To console myself I just ordered a Remington Model Seven bolt action in .308).
Testing is- as always- interesting, to say the least. We were getting very odd results today on our other test rifle. American Eagle ammo was performing better than Black Hills, and the strut was producing 2-inch groups. Still researching the problem, but I think the problem was related to 1. forward slipping of the strut under recoil, which I've never seen before, but should be easily corrected with Loc-tite, 2. a scope that may have also be a little loose, and 3. insufficient cleaning of the bore. When we patched up those problems, the last few rounds of both ammo went back to our more respectable holes-touching groups.
None of this impacts production, by the way, which is moving ahead full sail. Components are being manufactured as we speak, then it's final assembly and delivery.
CWO USCG
09-25-2006, 15:55
I sure hope that us norwegians can get our hands on the Accu-S, if not we will eat poisoned mushrooms and drink 4 gallons of mead and sail over there in our longship and pillage and rape untill we find the Strutt he he the M-14 look it offers is just great so :cool: :cool: 2 thumbs upp for the designe.
Too funny!! :lol:
I'm new to this forum but I have been monitoring it for a while. Can't wait till the Accu-stut is available.
Jimmydaux
10-08-2006, 12:12
Hey its October like you said, whats the dealio? Ive been following this, and Im very anxious for the struts release.
WhyteP38
10-08-2006, 15:04
Production update (just trying to keep you guys in the loop): full internal inventory should be satisfied by mid-September, and of course final assembly will follow hard upon. So we're looking at an October release (?)
My reading of this statement is that an October release is possible but not guaranteed. Plus, it doesn't say when in October.:D
BFD45Medic
10-09-2006, 09:07
Keep up the good work kkina!! With all the work and testing you have put into this product, there's no doubt it will be nothing short of fantastic. With predator season creeping up....I'm anxiously waiting for the release of the ACCU-STRUT. :sniper:
Yep, no guarantees, just target dates (I can only work off of dates given to me, and when those slip there's not much I can do). The internal components are being finished this week. Next step is final assembly, then it's distribution city.
BFD45Medic
10-09-2006, 19:53
Sounds great Kkina !!!:D
Dorkface
10-10-2006, 04:26
My reading of this statement is that an October release is possible but not guaranteed. Plus, it doesn't say when in October.:D
Nor did he say what year.... :D :D :D :D :D
battletweeter
10-10-2006, 20:06
Yep, no guarantees, just target dates (I can only work off of dates given to me, and when those slip there's not much I can do). The internal components are being finished this week. Next step is final assembly, then it's distribution city.
out of curiosity... how many are y'all putting together ?
out of curiosity... how many are y'all putting together ?
Yes, good question. The beta batch will be 300 units, sold at the deeply discounted price of $75 per. I will probably hold further production after these are distributed and wait for feedback from the field (you guys).
BFD45Medic
10-13-2006, 07:40
As soon as you're ready Kkina....I have my "plastic" in hand....:)
I'm ready too KKINA; got the PLASTIC ready..........Testing may have to wait until Spring here in NYS.........I'm getting a little too old to go out and play in the snow :-) JN
bearpower
10-23-2006, 09:57
My money is ready just let me know when
Well, after lurking for many months, I finally got off my duff and joined the forum, because of this product! I just wanted to post that there are a number of Canadians (well, at least me!) interested in getting an Accu-Strut when they become available. I read in an earlier posting that you were going to check into the details of international shipping, so if you do, please keep your northern neighbours in mind.
Looking forward to (hopefully) improving my Mini...it needs it!
John
We now have full stock on internal components and are scheduled to begin final assembly this weekend.
gridlock
10-24-2006, 18:43
Let me be the first to say: WOOHOO!!
BFD45Medic
10-24-2006, 19:01
Outstanding !!!!!! :sniper:
hm2 clark
10-24-2006, 20:19
I'm in. Save one for me! I would be an outstanding Beta tester as I have one Mini 14 that I just cant get to shoot and Mini 30 that is a good shooter. I would report back on both. ( But probably not untill after deer season)
So I know I said we'd be starting final assembly this weekend. Well, in fact there's been a delay, but it's a good delay (you guys are used to this, right? ;) ) My production guy came up with a redesign that will make the assembly both faster and stronger. I liked the ideas enough to agree to have the component parts reworked. Our machinist says he can jump right on it, so I don't foresee a long lead time.
So there you go. Will let you know when final assembly recommences.
KKINA............MAKING IT BETTER (and faster.....for us industry guys) is a GOOD THING................good luck..........JN
Dorkface
10-29-2006, 06:29
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
deer opener here is november 15 i can shoot pretty well as is but would love to try it to see the diffence i really think my 30 would like this plastic in hand
Dear Kinka:It sounds GOOD to me!!!!!!!!!
Please do not forget me;Iv'e got my money ratholed for one already.
Keep up the GOOD WORK!!!
Pipps
hm2 clark
11-01-2006, 16:02
Dude! this "accu-strut LAUNCH" thread was started in JUNE and its now November. Even the space shuttle is faster at launch.
WhyteP38
11-02-2006, 04:55
Dude! this "accu-strut LAUNCH" thread was started in JUNE and its now November. Even the space shuttle is faster at launch.Dude! if you read the thread, you'll see that kkina is doing this launch in addition to his regular job and, more importantly, while suffering from a potentially life-threatening disease. He has also had to overcome a mountain of unexpected production-related problems. To make up for the time delay, he has promised to sell to Forum members for about half-price.
I've been waiting almost 2 years (if my math is right) for an Accu-strut, and yes it's somewhat frustrating, but all things considered I'll soon be getting one helluva well-engineered product at one helluva good price. In the meantime, it's not as if without a strut my kidneys will dissolve or some other malady will befall me. In other words, it's an accuracy enhancer on my rifle, which in the big picture is something nice to have but not essential to my life.
Dude! this "accu-strut LAUNCH" thread was started in JUNE and its now November. Even the space shuttle is faster at launch.
Compared to Microsoft's record of delivering operating systems on schedule, he'll be early if he begins shipping by the end of 2007. ;)
hm2 clark
11-02-2006, 17:07
Guys, I'm not trying to insult the man, just chivy him along. Lots of us probably would like to hunt with our mini 30s, but want beter accruacy as the round is a little iffy at longer ranges. It's now probably to late for me to use my Mini this deer season.
Dorkface
11-02-2006, 18:32
Yeah cut kkina some slack. He's just trying to make the best product he can for everyone and not half-donkey it. :)
Instead of complaining out your mini's inaccuracy for hunting either A) get better at stalking and get closer :D or B) kkina has said you can make your own version of it on your own as long as you don't try to sell it. The mini section has a bunch of people that have made their own with good results. :)
kkina,
I was just curious if, with the changes you've made in the design, how much it still looks like the photo on http://www.accu-strut.com/ ?
kkina,
I was just curious if, with the changes you've made in the design, how much it still looks like the photo on http://www.accu-strut.com/ ?
Although I will be probably updating that photo at some point, all the recent changes to the strut are internal. It looks exactly the same. (The clamps are a little different, but you'd have to look hard to tell the difference.)
kkina- i hope your health problems are under control. i don't care how long it takes you to get this to market. your quality & performance standards make this project worth any wait imo. when the launch happens,put my name on one.we are all in this together.again,pray your health has improved.
hm2 clark
11-04-2006, 07:59
Like everyone elce, I hope kkina's health holds. I would like to get an accurate Mini before my health declines. For years the AR crowd at the range have laughed at my Minis and I'm getting tired of it. Yah when hunting I could stalk closer to my game so accuracy would'nt be so important but then we would'n neeed rifle season -bow season would sufice.
i went shooting today just before it got dark.(which really doesn't have anything to with this thread)noticed my scope seemed to have a different eye relief & the crosshairs were canted to right.the day before i had shot about 100 combined rem 125's & wolf 154's because of new stock.imagine my surprise when i ran some 122 wolf hp's today.the four screws that hold the scope to the mounts were finger tight.the scope had moved forward about an inch.after addressing the problem the 122 wolf shot consistently high &right.by using a poa to compensate i had pretty good groups.but now i have to shoot my hunting loads just to be sure they are hitting where they were(darn) love this sight & the people in it.thanks for all the good info.
just curious what the progress on the strut is at this point?you seem so close to release then a logistical or manufacturing pops up. i have no problem waiting until you are comfortable with it.i admire your high standards & unrelenting quest for perfection.there is something about getting it right the first time.best wishes & keep up the good work.
dashielj
11-06-2006, 16:48
Hello all, this is my first post to the forum (in fact I just bought my first firearm 3 days ago - a used mini 14 ranch) but have been following the discussion here and in the other forum. The accu strut sounds like a great idea. After considering rifles of all types for awhile and doing much research I settled on a mini 14 because of its unique look, light weight, and low cost compared to other rifles like AR-15. One thing that seems to be a consistent topic is the minis' inaccuracy, but I can live with that because I like the style so much. Its killing me, but I havent had a chance to fire it just yet. However, if it turns out that I would like to modify it a little bit the Accu-Strut looks like a very viable and easy way to make a beneficial change in accuracy. I have also been looking at the Gas Block Thermal Stabilizer available at:http://www.aimstraight.net/ and (most likely will happen eventually) a cryo job.
My novice questions are: do an accu-strut and GBTS both serve a similar function, or is the GBTS solely for heat dissipation and Accu-strut only for stabilization of the barrel? Would a cryo job and GBTS be worthless together? Sorry for the long winded post, just want to find out some answers from and say its good to be here for such interesting topics:)
Welcome to the forum!
To be perfectly honest, the thermal stablizer was a rather blatant attempt to copy the Accu-strut by playing up a secondary effect, that of heat dissipation. The Accu-strut does in fact help quite a bit in removing heat (mostly from the barrel, rather than the gasblock, by the way). But its primary effect is stabilization and dampening of the forward portion of the barrel. I'll let you the buyer decide which one you like.
The Accu-strut is also not a panacea to all the Mini's accuracy woes. I still highly encourage the various other mods such as cryoing (which will primarily reduce stringing rather than reduce group size), bedding of the stock, and a trigger job. Look at barrel struts as one important piece to an overall accurization effort.
Hope that helps!
WhyteP38
11-07-2006, 20:19
To be perfectly honest, the thermal stablizer was a rather blatant attempt to copy the Accu-strut by playing up a secondary effect, that of heat dissipation.Kkina is being extremely diplomatic, as usual. Search the Mini-14 board of this forum for "aimstraight" and you'll see what kind of stuff kkina has put up with.
Welcome to the forum!
To be perfectly honest, the thermal stablizer was a rather blatant attempt to copy the Accu-strut by playing up a secondary effect, that of heat dissipation. The Accu-strut does in fact help quite a bit in removing heat (mostly from the barrel, rather than the gasblock, by the way). But its primary effect is stabilization and dampening of the forward portion of the barrel. I'll let you the buyer decide which one you like.
The Accu-strut is also not a panacea to all the Mini's accuracy woes. I still highly encourage the various other mods such as cryoing (which will primarily reduce stringing rather than reduce group size), bedding of the stock, and a trigger job. Look at barrel struts as one important piece to an overall accurization effort.
Hope that helps!
Kevin, given that you're about to come out with the Accustrut, I wondered if you might advise me on a situation I've got. As you know, because you've seen my other thread on my accurized Mini, I've had some really nice Gundoc mods (trigger, bedding, barrel cut/crown, plus compensator), and I have the Ultimak rail. The gun CAN shoot 1" groups and when it's warmed up, I can USUALLY hit pretty close to what I'm aiming at. Considering where the gun started, it's shooting better than twice as good as it did straight from the factory, which is over a 2" improvement in grouping capability, plus it's just more consistent overall. In general, I'm very happy with the gun, even thrilled when it's shooting at it's best. Certainly I feel I got a lot of value from the mods that were done, and they were worth it.
Still, I can't help feeling that there's something missing, still some additional work I could do to address this final issue, now that all other accuracy issues have been well covered. I don't think cryo treatment is likely to help, because I don't have a big problem with vertical stringing. But what I do have is, the first few shots out of the cold barrel are almost incredibly wild. The point-of-impact (POI) of my very first shot can be 18" from my point-of-aim (POA). And even at points during my shooting sessions if I wait awhile for the barrel to cool--and this is especially pronounced now that it's colder outside--when I shoot again the first shot flyer returns, though not as extreme as the VERY first cold shot of each range session. And the problem is, this makes it very hard for me to shoot CONSISTENTLY well, though I can manage to shoot multiple good groups in any one range session, the shooting is just incredibly inconsistent. I'll have 2 great groups, than a horrid one, then 3 good groups, a mediocre one, and 2 horrid ones. It's all over the map, and this is what I want to get under control. And I don't think it's me, in this case. Sometimes you hear people say, this gun can shoot better than I can (meaning that they are the limiting factor in the gun's accuracy). Well that's true with my other rifles (Browning A-bolt, CZ American .17 HMR, Ruger 10/22 with bull A&B target barrel, and I expect the same with my forthcoming Rock River AR15). With each of these guns, they shoot such tight groups, that when I don't shoot as well as I want, in nearly every case it's because I twitch, shank a shot, or otherwise do something to mess up. But usually the resulting poor shots are just slightly out of group, they're not wild flyers that land anywhere from 3" to 15" off in any direction, like the Mini does. And when I shoot the same ammo in my Abolt as in my Mini, I have nothing like these problems with flyers, so again, I don't think it's me. I realize that one can get some flyers just due to using inexpensive Federal American Eagle ammo, but really, there shouldn't be this many flyers. And if that were an issue, I should see the same number of flyers in my Abolt, but I don't. Yet in the Mini, even when I use a quality match-level ammo like Black Hills (the red box stuff, not the remanufactured stuff), I still get the same "frequent flyers" behavior. So I KNOW it's something in the rifle that causes these intermittent hiccups when it shoots. At least, given the evidence I've presented, I think it's the most likely conclusion that it's not me and it's not the ammo, so that leaves the rifle.
Now I know you're not a gunsmith, but I'm curious if you think the Accustrut has any chance of helping me with this problem at all. Do you think further stabilization of the barrel is likely to help keep it from moving around so MUCH when the temperature changes? I expect it will always have some degree of difference between POI and POA when the temp changes, that happens with any gun and is just more pronounced in the current Mini's. But I'd sure like to REDUCE that behavior, so it's not so dramatic, and so I can have a little more reliable first shots in situations where my first shot might need to count. I would be well satisfied if an Accustrut could just bring that down so that the first cold shot is never more than 3" to 5" out of whack with my POA, and thereafter, most flyers are no worse than 2" or 3" off from POA.
I know you cannot make guarantees, and it's my risk if I buy, but do you think given the problem I've described, and the things already done to my rifle, the Accustrut would have a reasonably good chance of making any kind of improvement? Or do you think it would probably only make a marginal improvement at best, and that I should therefore keep looking for mods that might help with the flyers?
Thanks!
Timlt, let me address your question in a separate thread as I reserve this one for updating the Accu-strut launch.
Quick note, we are commencing final assembly this weekend. But I must say it's amazing how many problems you run into once you start doing things in mass. Little things that slip by pre-production, but turn into giant headaches when you're doing in volume.
I think we're essentially looking at a Jan 2007 distribution (ducks for cover).
Dorkface
11-17-2006, 15:54
I think we're essentially looking at a Jan 2007 distribution (ducks for cover).
:lol: :lol: :lol: I look forward to hearing the new date in January. ;) :D
WhyteP38
11-17-2006, 16:02
I think we're essentially looking at a Jan 2007 distribution (ducks for cover).For some reason, I'm imagining a "PlayStation 3" moment when the Accu-strut is finally released. ;)
BFD45Medic
11-17-2006, 16:34
Keep up the good work Kkina, I'll be ready with "plastic" in hand.
Quick note, we are commencing final assembly this weekend. But I must say it's amazing how many problems you run into once you start doing things in mass. Little things that slip by pre-production, but turn into giant headaches when you're doing in volume.
I think we're essentially looking at a Jan 2007 distribution (ducks for cover).
Oh well, it's more important to get it right than to rush it to market. I've learned that the hard way with software, which is what I do.
GOOD LUCK........we'll be here. Maybe we should all meet at a range in So. Cal to pick them up and try them out in the warmer climate in Jan :-))
rugerdaddy
11-19-2006, 19:26
OK, add one more to your first production run. I just spent about an hour reading through all of the posting going back to (2005? 1995?)- not sure. But I want one, too!!! And, because I just found out about it, I won't have to wait nearly as long as all of YOU have!! My wait starts TODAY!!
p.s. can I get mine in stainless steel?
p.p.s. I'm just a smart-ass
p.s. can I get mine in stainless steel?
The stainless model will be available as a later version. This beta launch will offer only in black oxide.
rugerdaddy
11-20-2006, 21:05
Dear kkina,
After all you've been put through by the annoying people on these pages haranguing you for the sensational product you have promised (though as yet not delivered) I would be the LAST to give you a hard time about not having a stainless steel model available (though I'm not sure why you don't). Thus, I want you to know that I was only joking about the SS Model ( maybe not an appropriate moniker- something negative about SS. You might not want to call it that). In fact, my hint that it was a joke was the p.p.s. at the bottom identifying myself as a smart-ass. Which I am. Sometimes.
I have, in fact, bookmarked your website, and wait with unabated breath the listed October 2006 release of the Accu-Strut Black-Oxide (BO) Model (hmm, something about BO Model smells fishy, also. Beta sounds better. I Beta it won't be ready by October!)
All in jest kkina. I have the greatest sympathy and respect for entrepreneurs- especially ones like you with a great idea, who is struggling to put the innumerable pieces together to make an original idea see fruition. I (and most of those on these pages) will wait patiently for your product, and look forward to buying one of the first production items when they are ready. Keep up the good work.
I pushed strongly at first to offer both versions at the launch, but it became obvious after a while that the differences in manufacturing (stainless is a very difficult material to work with) would have produced even more delays. I will still produce a stainless strut, it will just have to be a post launch product.
Kkina, are you keeping a list of buyers? If so, I'd like to be added.
I pushed strongly at first to offer both versions at the launch, but it became obvious after a while that the differences in manufacturing (stainless is a very difficult material to work with) would have produced even more delays. I will still produce a stainless strut, it will just have to be a post launch product.
kkina,
Have you considered just having your current struts hard chromed? I had this done on a slide, and it looks very much like stainless.
rugerdaddy
11-22-2006, 09:09
I was perusing the Accu-strut website, and though many of the pages are not yet functional, there are some with some good info, including a variety of accurizing tips for the mini 14. Those of you who haven't checked it out yet need to do so. Also, bookmark it so you can immediately buy yours when they're available.
http://www.accu-strut.com/
Kkina, are you keeping a list of buyers? If so, I'd like to be added.
Actually, no, it will be first come first serve on some 300 initial units.
Gary of CA
11-23-2006, 16:08
Been watching this for a long time now. How's production coming along and we can we order? It's past October now.
It's looking like january now.
Yes, 2007.
This newB wants to be added to the list...
stevekaw
12-24-2006, 22:04
We have faith in 'ya! Happy Holidays!
Hey Kevin. Hope you had a great Christmas. Looking forward to getting the Accustrut and giving it a try. What are our prospects for a January release, realistically?
I have to hope that your Accu-strut will be successful beyond your wildest dreams. I just have to wonder about combinations like cryogenic treatment on barrels/actions, the Accu-strut, properly bedded, trigger job & even if necessary a "sporter" profile premium barrel.
Keeps the weight down, maintains a nice "profile" and provides the minimum accuracy of 1 moa.
No pressure on you here but don't let us down. LOL
Happy New Year!
GaryMalibou
12-30-2006, 09:10
i am so ready to pick one of these up.
i just bought ( well one month ago) a brand new 580 series and have not modded a single thing yet..
I have been waiting to add this as my first "mod" to the gun.
it looks great.
waiting patiently
thanx
Gary of CA
12-31-2006, 09:45
Looking forward to it (for years).
is there any word or update on the much anticipated event? i am getting anxious as jan 07 date is here and moving quickly. i appreciate Kevin's commitment to quality but i feel that this is the missing link/final modification that my mini needs. i hope you all get a laugh out of that. they never end, do they. lol Pat
That's right, guys, dogging me for updates will get this project done so much faster.:rolleyes:
As of today, we are approximately halfway thru beta production (yes, we've been working through MLK weekend).
Gary of CA
01-15-2007, 12:08
State Department grants approval for weapons related exports. As the Accu-Strut is low tech, it probably will be approved. They'll probably ask why you are bothering them.
State Department grants approval for weapons related exports. As the Accu-Strut is low tech, it probably will be approved. They'll probably ask why you are bothering them.
Are you referring to export to foreign countries? We'll be distributing only to U.S. for the beta.
wonderdog451
01-20-2007, 12:38
How much longer before we can buy this product? I am anxiously waiting news.
Gary of CA
01-21-2007, 11:12
State Dept. approval of weapons is needed for foreign countries. I doubt if the State Dept. would even care about accessories like your product. It's simply too low tech. Over ten years ago, I shipped some lever action rifles to Germany and wrote down on the application that it was 19th century technology and wouldn't compromise national security.
Status: we have completed assembly on about 3/4ths of the beta lot, and should be 100% in another week. There is a final processing step the entire lot must go through after assembly. Then it's packaging and distribution.
BFD45Medic
01-21-2007, 17:21
Right on !! Glad to hear that it's gaining momentum!
Right on !! Glad to hear that it's gaining momentum!
Believe me, no-one's happier than me!
DLincoln
02-05-2007, 00:02
First post here.
Stumbled onto the original strut thread and have sat here - unmoving - in my chair for about 2 hours reading the various threads on the accu-strut from start to finish. What an inspiring and exciting process this continues to be.
Looking forward to the release and wish you all the best, kkina.
ThomasPaine
02-09-2007, 09:47
How much will it cost? any chance of being put on an email list now for when they start shipping? Will it work on a barrel chopped to 16 1/2 inches or is original length only ?
How much will it cost? any chance of being put on an email list now for when they start shipping? Will it work on a barrel chopped to 16 1/2 inches or is original length only ?
The beta lot (about 300 units) will go for a discount price of $75. (The normal retail cost will be around $120.) There is no mailing list, but I will make every effort to extend the introductory price to current members of PU. It should just fit on a barrel cut back 2 inches, however i plan to eventually offer a "shortie" version.
ThomasPaine
02-09-2007, 22:01
The beta lot (about 300 units) will go for a discount price of $75. (The normal retail cost will be around $120.) There is no mailing list, but I will make every effort to extend the introductory price to current members of PU. It should just fit on a barrel cut back 2 inches, however i plan to eventually offer a "shortie" version.
Where and when do I sign?:D :D
rugerdaddy
02-10-2007, 10:23
It should just fit on a barrel cut back 2 inches....
Could you clarify? I don't understand what your saying here. :confused:
Could you clarify? I don't understand what your saying here. :confused:
Cut back any further than 2 inches on a standard barrel and the strut will stick out further than the barrel.
rugerdaddy
02-11-2007, 02:09
Cut back any further than 2 inches on a standard barrel and the strut will stick out further than the barrel.
OK, got it. Thanks. :)
Quick update, we're about half through with final processing, and even looking into final packaging. Exciting stuff!
stevekaw
02-11-2007, 21:32
Be still, my heart...
:D
Dorkface
02-13-2007, 23:33
Cool!
amosblack
02-14-2007, 16:02
Sounds great.
hm2 clark
02-14-2007, 16:15
I've just about decided to pursue accuracy in my mini by getting it re barreled. That way I can up grade the caliber also and it would be guaranteed to be accurate. Who knows, maybe it'll be quicker to.
FatKatMatt
02-25-2007, 02:21
I've become quite enamored with the Mini 14 and I can't wait to get my hands on of these; I don't suppose I could get the discount price since I just registered, $45 extra isn't too much in the end. Put me on the list, if there are any slots left, for this though. This looks like a great product, keep up the good work :)
ThomasPaine
02-25-2007, 11:27
Any word on when yet?
We are back-ordered with one of our vendors (when you're not the biggest fish on the line you tend to get secondary treatment). I am hoping to get the last batch of finished parts this week (these will still need final assembly).
There is no waiting list. 300 units will go out at the introductory price, first come, first serve. If you did register before the actual launch, though, I will probably extend the discount pricing anyway on request.
I am also working through some health issues again, also slowing things down a bit. In my wildest fantasy I see a late March target date.
Oh, BTW the parts I have seen are looking very good, better than I expected. The only possible issue might be the logo, if anyone cares. I spec'd in a light strike, so that the logo's only visible close up. I wanted the part to look like it was part of the original rifle rather than an aftermarket piece. I may go for a more prominent branding on full production (hey, it's free marketing!)
stevekaw
02-25-2007, 15:36
Thanks, kkina! Hope you're feeling better soon...
:)
Gary of CA
02-26-2007, 06:17
Must be that flu going around here. Starts with a cough and then joint or back ache. Comes & goes.
We knocked off some more production today, but are still struggling with vendor delays. My production guy is going to be lighting fires all week, and feels confident we will receive the balance of our parts this week. In fact, he predicts we can finish final assembly by next weekend. Then we just have to do final packaging, build the ordering system into the website, and away we go!
Sounds like your almost there. Good news. Looking forward to putting one on my mini!
CONGRATS KK ........will be checking the website next week to order.....
:-))
that is outstanding, Kevin. i am truly looking forward to putting one on the m30.
Agghh!, delays, delays. We knocked off some more production this weekend, but due to some parts being misplaced were not able to finish. :rolleyes: Next weekend, then.
Gary of CA
03-12-2007, 06:53
Will it fit on the Mini-14GB model?
Will it fit on the Mini-14GB model?
It will not. I will probably design a special version for the GB models at some point.
Another minor parts snafu :rolleyes: . We should be able to wrap up production next weekend.
Production is complete. Due to QC fallout, there's a few less than 300, 288 to be exact.
Arrangements for credit card processing need to be made now, as well as shipping and other details. Looks like an April release.
Leucoandro
03-26-2007, 06:24
Great News. I bet you are happier than we are to get to this point.
I will say one thing. It has been really interesting reading everything that you have posted about the strut over the span of the project. I feel like we have all gotten a glimps into what it takes to make a new quality product.
So how do we need to get our money to you for these little Jewels?
Charlie
wow! federal refund check in the mailbox when i got home & now this. i must celebrate. congrats, Kevin.
Great News. I bet you are happier than we are to get to this point.
I will say one thing. It has been really interesting reading everything that you have posted about the strut over the span of the project. I feel like we have all gotten a glimps into what it takes to make a new quality product.
So how do we need to get our money to you for these little Jewels?
Charlie
Thanks guys. The accu-strut website will be set up for credit cards, probably VISA and MC. Will probably not be doing PayPal. I will make an announcement as soon as it's all set up.
Dorkface
03-26-2007, 18:48
Fantastic. Congradualtions. :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :cool:
battletweeter
03-26-2007, 22:17
yay !!!!
Marcus0418
03-28-2007, 20:06
Wow! Looks like I joined this forum at a good time. I'm sure that all those delays must have been very frustraiting for you, especially knowing that you already have a large dedicated customer base just waiting for the release!
Speaking of which, I am drooling at the chance to try this out on my 580!
idiveudive
03-29-2007, 15:12
So I assume thats what you're working on now. Setting up the website?
So I assume thats what you're working on now. Setting up the website?
Yes, that's right, adding the ordering system and credit card to the website. Understand though that I often lose some days due to my health problems, as I've mentioned before. It will be up soon enough.
stevekaw
03-29-2007, 20:00
Yeah, baby!
:beer:
Creeping Incrementalism
03-30-2007, 22:20
kkina, can I just drive to your place and pay in person with cash, instead of waiting for an ordering system to be set up on your website? I'm serious.
kkina, can I just drive to your place and pay in person with cash, instead of waiting for an ordering system to be set up on your website? I'm serious.
Unfortunately not, this is not possible due to legal reasons. I have been approached by local vendors for direct sales in the SF Bay Area, but if this happens it would not be right away. Distribution of the beta lot will be only through the website.
Gary of CA
03-31-2007, 02:05
The City & County would nail him for operating a business out of a residential area (home). SF is a b*tch of a place to do business in. Yep, if he allowed, I'd be happy to even meet in a restaurant but websales it is. Save postage $$$ that way for me since I could even walk there.
Creeping Incrementalism
03-31-2007, 17:43
Okay, well I hope everything goes smoothly and quickly towards setting up the web-based ordering system. Thanks for all your work developing this strut, and offering the lower price for Perfect Union.
Okay, well I hope everything goes smoothly and quickly towards setting up the web-based ordering system. Thanks for all your work developing this strut, and offering the lower price for Perfect Union.
Thank you. Having some issues with UPS, but otherwise going well.
engravertom
04-05-2007, 21:11
New guy here,
Just picked up my first Ranch Rifle two weeks ago.
I like the concept you are planning to offer. When you are ready to sell the betas, the info will be on your site? I'd hate to miss out on this.
take care,
Tom
Creeping Incrementalism
04-05-2007, 21:35
I'll bet those things sell out within a day or two after he gets the ordering system up on the web site. I think I am checking about 2X a day to make sure I don't miss out...
I will post to this forum seconds after the site goes live.
magnomark
04-07-2007, 12:04
:D Nice sight Kina-I can foresee great things to come!:D ;)
blancoman
04-12-2007, 10:21
I have a 180 and a 181 series. Both rifles with no modifications will shoot 4 shots into 2moa. The fifth in the group is a flyer that opens the group up to 4 inches. If the strut will fit on both of those models and if you have enough to go around I would like two. But I do not want to order a second one if it means that someone else does not get one. Since today is the 12th, how long will it take before you will know if you have all of them spoken for. Do you need to start a list of spoken for products? Have been looking forward to this day like it was Christmas all over again.
I have a 180 and a 181 series. Both rifles with no modifications will shoot 4 shots into 2moa. The fifth in the group is a flyer that opens the group up to 4 inches. If the strut will fit on both of those models and if you have enough to go around I would like two. But I do not want to order a second one if it means that someone else does not get one. Since today is the 12th, how long will it take before you will know if you have all of them spoken for. Do you need to start a list of spoken for products? Have been looking forward to this day like it was Christmas all over again.
Well, there's just no way to know the initial customer response. I'd say if you want 2, order 2. Eventually everyone will get one who wants one, but this is after all a beta launch so by definition a limited distribution.
Update notes, some trouble with outdated merchant software from Earthlink :rolleyes: , but I think it's almost resolved.
rugamaniac
04-15-2007, 00:54
Count me in Kkina!
Creeping Incrementalism
04-15-2007, 07:49
Is the website officially working now? It looks like it is, however I just went through the process of ordering two (I told my friend about it, and he also wanted one at the introductory price), but when I entered in the credit card info and hit continue, got an error that said, "Unable to authorize payment: SGS-020005: Error (Merchant config file is missing, empty or cannot be read)."
Is the website officially working now? It looks like it is, however I just went through the process of ordering two (I told my friend about it, and he also wanted one at the introductory price), but when I entered in the credit card info and hit continue, got an error that said, "Unable to authorize payment: SGS-020005: Error (Merchant config file is missing, empty or cannot be read)."
Please don't try to order before I give the go-ahead. The order store is about 90% complete and then has to go through pressure testing. At times the website will go online for testing for a couple minutes, do NOT use this opportunity to try to get your order in ahead of others. It will just cause problems during the build. These orders will be purged and not delivered anyway.
justinlemieux
04-16-2007, 15:05
I will say I've done as much research as anyone about improving the accuracy of the mini 14. Yes Yes the AR is more accurate blah blah blah. but I live in California so thats not an option. anyways im currently building a site (mini14.info) specifically about the mini. I'm pretty sure the accustrut is the real deal. its less expensive and its lighter weight then the harmonic stabilizer that accuracy systems offers. and frankly, it looks nice on the rifle. the "harmonic stabilizer" look gauwdy. I'm happy for N.E.S.T. I hope they make a billion.
keep us up to date guys!
Justin Lemieux
San Diego, CA
Tbear0574
04-16-2007, 21:54
I hope the site gets up soon, cant wait to try one out myself.
justinlemieux
04-24-2007, 13:17
ive been watching the site and it appears its almost ready. i wonder if itll be within the month or next month
Tentcamp
04-26-2007, 17:15
Hey! I just ordered!
Creeping Incrementalism
04-27-2007, 17:59
I will post to this forum seconds after the site goes live
Please don't try to order before I give the go-ahead.I just tried ordering two again... hope I didn't screw anything up this time.
I just tried ordering two again... hope I didn't screw anything up this time.
There's a double order on the system. I think you're good. going out today.
Creeping Incrementalism
04-27-2007, 20:56
If it's Walnut Creek, then that's me. Thanks.
If it's Walnut Creek, then that's me. Thanks.
Yep, it was. Just made the last drop-off to UPS.
stevekaw
04-28-2007, 03:19
Now come on everybody!
This is a product that we've all been waiting for over the years (and bitchin' about the delay). It promises to be a relatively cheap upgrade for the Mini which will significantly improve it's accuracy and make some of those "black rifle" critics STFU!
There are hundreds of Mini owners active on this board. Ruger has sold in excess of 800,000 Mini's since 1974. If we can't get ~285 beta Accu-struts sold in the next few days, test the hell out of it in real-world conditions, and find out if it really works, then we're a pretty sad community.
So, let's roll!
:samurai:
Gary of CA
04-28-2007, 09:06
I for one need no urging. Mine was shipped yesterday. :)
Now come on everybody!
This is a product that we've all been waiting for over the years (and bitchin' about the delay). It promises to be a relatively cheap upgrade for the Mini which will significantly improve it's accuracy and make some of those "black rifle" critics STFU!
There are hundreds of Mini owners active on this board. Ruger has sold in excess of 800,000 Mini's since 1974. If we can't get ~285 beta Accu-struts sold in the next few days, test the hell out of it in real-world conditions, and find out if it really works, then we're a pretty sad community.
So, let's roll!
:samurai:
Thanks Steve. Good to know someone cares.
I'll bet we'll see orders pick up once the guys who have ordered start sending in their range reports.
Dorkface
05-04-2007, 22:45
Just waitin' for pay day..... <_<
So, how are they shooting folks? I would think someone has had a chance to try theirs by now.
So, how are they shooting folks? I would think someone has had a chance to try theirs by now.
One guy reported in to me by PM (I don't know if he's a member here). His testimonial is on the website with his permission. Basically his rifle has some accurizing (flash suppressor, trigger job, gasblock retorque, but not bedded) and was shooting 4-5MOA, with the strut his groups were cut by about half. This is right in the improvement range I predict for most rifles.
He is basically satisfied, though I sensed he wanted a little more accuracy, so suggested he try bedding (though he said the stock was already tight) and give some Federal 50-grain BTHP a try (he tried several other brands of ammo).
Thanks for that reply.
Did you find, on the test rifle you used, that adding the Accustrut eliminated flyers from most of your groups--especially that infamous "5th shot flyer" so many of us experience--or did it just reduce the effect? I'm guessing that maybe it just reduces the extremity of the 5th flyer, so it doesn't go out so far.
Thanks for that reply.
Did you find, on the test rifle you used, that adding the Accustrut eliminated flyers from most of your groups--especially that infamous "5th shot flyer" so many of us experience--or did it just reduce the effect? I'm guessing that maybe it just reduces the extremity of the 5th flyer, so it doesn't go out so far.
The strut does not eliminate the 5th-shot flyer, but does seem to reduce it, exactly as you sugggest. I am working on a possible fix for that, however. Will keep you posted.
i shot my m-30 today for the first time with the strut installed. various loads & all shot a lot tighter groups than ever before. this thing flat out works. i never doubted kkina's expertise but now i have the real world proof to back up his claims. i am a happy accu-strut owner & user. thanks, Kevin
i shot my m-30 today for the first time with the strut installed. various loads & all shot a lot tighter groups than ever before. this thing flat out works. i never doubted kkina's expertise but now i have the real world proof to back up his claims. i am a happy accu-strut owner & user. thanks, Kevin
Now that's what I like to hear! Your happiness is my happiness, my friend. Looking forward to more reports.
battletweeter
05-06-2007, 13:47
i just put one on order, i know the theory works because i built a home made strut myself, and i was impressed with the results.
but kkinas contraption is way prettier than mine. :)
as soon as i get it and put it through my test i will post the results.
i shot my m-30 today for the first time with the strut installed. various loads & all shot a lot tighter groups than ever before. this thing flat out works. i never doubted kkina's expertise but now i have the real world proof to back up his claims. i am a happy accu-strut owner & user. thanks, Kevin
Would you be able to share any details about what kind of groups you were getting before and after with certain loads, how many shots in your groups, things like that? Or do you not have all that info available? Sorry I don't mean to pry, just really eager to find out some hard data on these things. Glad to hear you're pleased with yours.
Would you be able to share any details about what kind of groups you were getting before and after with certain loads, how many shots in your groups, things like that? Or do you not have all that info available? Sorry I don't mean to pry, just really eager to find out some hard data on these things. Glad to hear you're pleased with yours.
pbrktrt shared these initial results with me by PM. These were informal trials done at a little over 100 yds using boat cushions for rest. The groups definitely looked good, a lot of holes touching, but no formal 5-shot groups.
He did try some more shooting today, but ran into a problem with the strut slipping on the barrel. I'm starting a separate thread on this problem, I mean, "improvement opportunity";) .
timlt, i shot many loads the first day. everything from 122 gr up to 150 gr. my goal was to see if there was consistency between loads with the addition of the strut. i was very pleased with the results albeit not a real range scenario. i did 10 shot groups in rapid succession ( 2 -5 round mags ) to eliminate the hot barrell excuse. it was too hot to touch & melted the Loctite.still the groups imo were very respectable. a lot of the rounds were touching & flyers seemed to be virtually eliminated. i would say kkina's strut can take you from plinker to sniper in one easy lesson.
timlt, i shot many loads the first day. everything from 122 gr up to 150 gr. my goal was to see if there was consistency between loads with the addition of the strut. i was very pleased with the results albeit not a real range scenario. i did 10 shot groups in rapid succession ( 2 -5 round mags ) to eliminate the hot barrell excuse. it was too hot to touch & melted the Loctite.still the groups imo were very respectable. a lot of the rounds were touching & flyers seemed to be virtually eliminated. i would say kkina's strut can take you from plinker to sniper in one easy lesson.
I'm looking into some high-temp Loctite to address this issue. Probably supply it with every strut. The first thing, however, is removing the packing grease the clamps are coated with. I am including a degreasing instruction with every strut I send out from now on, hopefully no-one else will run into this problem.
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