black bear

[chozen1]

black bear
shot with winchester model 70 featherweight 308. Federal classic 180 grain
hope the pic attaches

[chozen1]

btw
it was head shot just over the left eye

[tri70]

nice bear. do you have alot of them were you are at?

-tri

[chozen1]

we have a lot of black bear!!; just buy black bear tag; black bear hunt is in spring/fall
grizzly however is limited entry hunt for residents; residents/non residents can pay big bucks and buy a tag from a guide, although with the guide services would cost alot. The guides i have met are an amazing bunch though.
308;30-06 are more than enough for black bear
btw for grizzly i'd recommend min 338 win mag or better 375 h&h magnum; people say can be done with 300 win mag/ 30-06 etc; but friends last year using 300 and 30-06 got a limited entry and had to shoot the grizz multiple times to put it down. the distance was sub 50 meters. most people i know after grizz use a 375h&h and load it with 270 grain at 2650 f/s.
Also there is the true story of one of the largest grizzly bear in BC history being taken by an old native lady with a 22long rifle(yes that's correct) she hit the grizz in the eye and killed it instantly(the 22 was all she had with her). maybe she was related to one of those amazing guides??
as asian rednecks:D we want to make sure 1.we use enough gun and 2.shot placement for efficient kill

[2rangers]

Chozen-
Great shot, and great pic. I can see a rug in the making.....................:D
:sniper:

[Boogyman]

I grew up on a small farm in NW Pennsyvania, hunted rabbit/squirrel since I was 8, first deer at 10, hunted for the meat because we couldn't always afford to buy it.

We've always had a lot of Black Bear around. A few times my Dad and I had to chase them off for getting into our bee hives, and I've seen them many times in the woods, never had any desire to shoot one, let alone buy a bear license.

Personally I don't understand why anyone would want to kill a little Black Bear like that, knowing how timid they are and how much they avoid humans, unless it was your intention to protect your bee-hives or chickens.

Did you eat what you killed, or were you only interested in having a "trophy" to impress your buddies and show what a "big man" you are?

Sorry if this post offends you, I guess you and I just grew up differently and have different ideas about hunting.

[plinky]

I don`t hunt at all because I feel sorry for the critters...I guess I lack the killer instinct.

[BobM]

Boogyman,
I must say you are wrong. How dare you insult a hunter for a legal kill. You sound like an East Coast KERRY DEMOCRAP. You want to tell people what they should hunt and if they should be able to hunt them. You hunt squirrels, rabbits, and Bambi's. Did they ever pose a threat to you while you were out trying to kill them w/ your Bow or rifle? I admit they can destroy a crop field if given the chance, but are they a dangerous animal. That remark,"Did you eat what you killed or are you only interseted in having a "trophy" to impress your friends and show what a "Big Man" you are?" That REAKS of EAST COAST supioriority.
Hey Slick, Black Bears are a dangerous animal; that small animal will tear you up, incase you dont know that, because they ran from you then. Also they are very tastey. I prefer Smoked, stewed, grilled after a gingerale marinade, slow cooked in a Dutch Oven, or Jerkied.
You want to insult/belittle Chosen for taking that animal, Why? Back EAST you smoke holes to kill gophers, shoot muskrats, and trap beavers, due you eat their flesh? Out west we pop Yotes, and prarrie dogs; due we eat them? HELL NO. Chosin had a legal/decent kill on a tagged animal. The state must have tagged them for a reason. If you disagree talk to that states Dept of Wildlife.
BobM

[BobM]

I apoligize to the moderators for losing my temper here. If you must boot me I will understand. But I spoke the truth.
BobM

[chozen1]

bobm
i appreciate your support!
btw i donate yearly to the bc wildlife federation
and yes bobm is right black bear is tasty
chozen1

[Boogyman]

Boogyman,
I must say you are wrong. How dare you insult a hunter for a legal kill. You sound like an East Coast KERRY DEMOCRAP. You want to tell people what they should hunt and if they should be able to hunt them. You hunt squirrels, rabbits, and Bambi's. Did they ever pose a threat to you while you were out trying to kill them w/ your Bow or rifle? I admit they can destroy a crop field if given the chance, but are they a dangerous animal. That remark,"Did you eat what you killed or are you only interseted in having a "trophy" to impress your friends and show what a "Big Man" you are?" That REAKS of EAST COAST supioriority.
Hey Slick, Black Bears are a dangerous animal; that small animal will tear you up, incase you dont know that, because they ran from you then. Also they are very tastey. I prefer Smoked, stewed, grilled after a gingerale marinade, slow cooked in a Dutch Oven, or Jerkied.
You want to insult/belittle Chosen for taking that animal, Why? Back EAST you smoke holes to kill gophers, shoot muskrats, and trap beavers, due you eat their flesh? Out west we pop Yotes, and prarrie dogs; due we eat them? HELL NO. Chosin had a legal/decent kill on a tagged animal. The state must have tagged them for a reason. If you disagree talk to that states Dept of Wildlife.
BobM

What do you mean, "tagged animal"? That little bear can't be more than 2 years old. Maybe "fair game" but hardly something to brag about.

For one thing, BobM, was I talking to you? No. MYOB, "Slick"!

For another thing, I already said to Chozen: "sorry if this posts offends you". And I meant it.

And lastly I'm entitled to my opinion. I find most "trophy" hunting to be distasteful and self-serving. If you don't like that, tough cookies.

Chozen has indicated that he ate the bear. Good for him. At least the bear served as food instead of just dying for someone's ego trip.

FYI, I like bears better than I like most people. Go figure.

[ice-nine]

Nice bear chozen1, it doesn’t look morally superior to a squirrel, deer, or rabbit to me.

[Splinter]

Could we please leave any personal attacks out of this thread. It is annoying to have to waste time thinking I am going to get something productive out of a post, only to have it attack a persons morals.




Personally I don't understand why anyone would want to kill a little Black Bear like that, knowing how timid they are and how much they avoid humans, unless it was your intention to protect your bee-hives or chickens.

Did you eat what you killed, or were you only interested in having a "trophy" to impress your buddies and show what a "big man" you are?

Sorry if this post offends you, I guess you and I just grew up differently and have different ideas about hunting.

[chozen1]

thanks splinter
i appreciate your comments
chozen1

[Boogyman]

Let me make some things clear here.

There's a big difference between meat or sustenance hunting and hunting purely for sport.

There's also a big difference between prey/meat animals such as deer, rabbit, squirrel, etc. and predators such as bear, cougar, bobcat, etc.

Chozen1, I have no problem with killing predators when it comes to protecting your livestock or property. It's also perfectly legal to go out and buy a bear tag and shoot a bear, as you did. I'm well aware of the need for thinning and culling animal populations to keep them healthy, and somebody has to do it. You are well within the law and your rights.

However, it is my personal feeling that "trophy" hunting is distasteful and serves only as an ego boost or to gain "bragging rights" amongst one's peers. This is the reason most people "sport hunt" predators, because they are definitely not very good eating compared to an elk or deer.

So when I saw your pic with your big grin, posing with your hand grasped around the bear's ear and your rifle on display, I thought "That's a pretty small bear for this guy to be so proud of himself. I hope he eats the meat, it'd be a shame if that bear never got a chance to get big just so this guy can have a wall-hanger to brag about."

Maybe I wouldn't have reacted the way I did if the bear had at least been an adult. I do know that I wouldn't want a picture of me like that floating around. It brings to mind those pictures you see of little kids holding up their 3-inch bluegill like it was Moby Dick. It's cute when your a kid, but you are a grown man.

As I said, I grew up in black bear woods, and I've been a bear fan since I can remember. Many times I've enjoyed sneaking closer, watching some bears antics, sometimes laughing out loud when they would sense my presence and go barrelling through the brush in full-scale retreat.

I always hated it when the "great white hunters" from the big city would invade the county for a weekend, getting loud obnoxious drunk at nights and then driving their damn jeeps around the woods, trying to kill MY bears so they can take them back and show their buddies what big men they were. They didn't have any respect for the woods, the bears, or anything else.

I probably should have kept my opinion to myself. But remember, that's all it is, an opinion. Understand that I am not one of your peers, I don't run in the same circles as you do, and what I think shouldn't matter to you in the least. I'm just a crazy old anti-social bastard who lives out in the woods and prefers the company of wild animals to the presence of human beings.

[faawrenchbndr]

chozen1,

Nice harvest, a little small but nice looking Bear!
Black Bear is allways good fixed as a stew.

Boogy,
Don't forget to breathe.........
Remember blood pressure......?

[Splinter]

If it is YOUR personal feelings then please put them in another post. Dont come in here just to rain on this guys parade. You are continualy attacking his morals as well as his "manhood." Im not sure what is going on in your head to take it this far, but hey, we are all fellow shooters/hunters, we enjoy the sport, and nothing illegal or shady went on in this post. So please keep it enjoyable for all, as this entire thread is now not enjoyable for me. I wish you luck in your quest to prejudge people and take away from their smiles without even a moments hesitation. There is much worse going on in the world of hunting then a guy being happy about a bear he harvested. If you are this pasionate about protecting bears, take your voice somewhere it will actually be heard. Dont attack a single person who was happy before they were ripped apart just for being kind enough to share a pic and a story with us.


Let me make some things clear here.

There's a big difference between meat or sustenance hunting and hunting purely for sport.

There's also a big difference between prey/meat animals such as deer, rabbit, squirrel, etc. and predators such as bear, cougar, bobcat, etc.

However, it is my personal feeling that "trophy" hunting is distasteful and serves only as an ego boost or to gain "bragging rights" amongst one's peers. This is the reason most people "sport hunt" predators, because they are definitely not very good eating compared to an elk or deer.

So when I saw your pic with your big grin, posing with your hand grasped around the bear's ear and your rifle on display, I thought "That's a pretty small bear for this guy to be so proud of himself. I hope he eats the meat, it'd be a shame if that bear never got a chance to get big just so this guy can have a wall-hanger to brag about."

Maybe I wouldn't have reacted the way I did if the bear had at least been an adult. I do know that I wouldn't want a picture of me like that floating around. It brings to mind those pictures you see of little kids holding up their 3-inch bluegill like it was Moby Dick. It's cute when your a kid, but you are a grown man.

I probably should have kept my opinion to myself. But remember, that's all it is, an opinion. Understand that I am not one of your peers, I don't run in tha same circles as you do, and what I think shouldn't matter to you in the least. I'm just a crazy old anti-social bastard who lives out in the woods and prefers the company of wild animals to the presence of human beings.

[plinky]

The "chozen1" does not have the balls to stand up for himself. No respect whatsoever for such people.:rolleyes:

[Boogyman]

As I said, it's only my opinion. Nobody is being "ripped apart" by my typed words. If you don't like what I said, ignore it.

If anybody is so easily offended by some insignificant stranger's (me) opinion, perhaps further soul-searching is in order.

[chozen1]

The "chozen1" does not have the balls to stand up for himself. No respect whatsoever for such people.:rolleyes:


i believe if you don't have anything nice to say about someone then why say it!
everyone is entitled to their opinion; people fought in wars to ensure this freedom and i respect it!
our family (not me as i was not yet born) went through 2 wars; ww2 and korea; so i respect all the freedoms we are allowed; remember freedom is not free (people have had to make the ultimate sacrifice for us to enjoy this)

[adaman04]

Congrats on the bear chozen1.

1. Yeah he shot a small bear to impress his friends. Hunting for a head doesn't sit high with me either, but did he say anywhere that he harvested it to hang on the wall? Morals as they relate to hunting are individual. I don't see the need for people to question what someone hunts, because they have never done it.

2. If you don't hunt because you don't have "killer instinct", that's fine. Personally I would rather hunt, get a nice buck, and eat it rather than see another one on the side of the road that's been hit by a car. If you want to get all your food from a supermarket that's fine, but don't judge those who don't.

3. Doesn't have the balls to stand up for himself? Stand up for himself for what? Because two people who know everything about everything may or may not agree with the idea that he shot a bear that wasn't B&C or Pope & Young?

No need to respond, it's just food for thought. Food that DIDN'T come from the grocery store.

[faawrenchbndr]

The "chozen1" does not have the balls to stand up for himself. :rolleyes:

Plinky......that just aint right. You loose respect for someone just because they seem to be avoiding this link?!

This crap just aint right!

Chozen1,
My apologies for all the crap you are putting up with! Kinda makes you just not want to come back, don't it!

[ShootinDave]

One less bear goin after my Pic-anic-baskets. :-]
http://www.ghjellystone.com/yogisteals.jpg

I'll bet that little win 308 is a nice handy woods gun. I hope she tasted good and made a nice throw rug.

- Dave

[Boogyman]

Congrats on the bear chozen1.

1. Yeah he shot a small bear to impress his friends. Hunting for a head doesn't sit high with me either, but did he say anywhere that he harvested it to hang on the wall? Morals as they relate to hunting are individual. I don't see the need for people to question what someone hunts, because they have never done it.

2. If you don't hunt because you don't have "killer instinct", that's fine. Personally I would rather hunt, get a nice buck, and eat it rather than see another one on the side of the road that's been hit by a car. If you want to get all your food from a supermarket that's fine, but don't judge those who don't.

3. Doesn't have the balls to stand up for himself? Stand up for himself for what? Because two people who know everything about everything may or may not agree with the idea that he shot a bear that wasn't B&C or Pope & Young?

No need to respond, it's just food for thought. Food that DIDN'T come from the grocery store.

Adaman, were you referring to me? Because the only meat I buy at the store is sandwich meat and the occasional turkey. All the red meat in my freezer is venison, rabbit, and squirrel that we kill and butcher ourselves. I've harvested more deer than I can count, since I was 12.

I have nothing against hunting for meat. I've explained my feelings about this, and admitted that it was probably a mistake to post them. But it doesn't change my attitude about trophy hunting.

Plinky, your comment on chozen1's balls was out of line.

Chozen1, congratulations on your bear kill. If you like wild game meat, may I suggest an Elk for your next hunt? It' probably the best meat I've ever tasted.

Don't let my comments offend you, like I said it's just my opinion. I'm sure you are a nice guy and we probably have other things in common. Everybody can't agree on everything. :rolleyes:

[Holliday]

Nice shot. Makes me wish i had a .308 so i can shoot some bigger critters and send them to animal heaven.

[ShootinDave]

I don`t hunt at all because I feel sorry for the critters...I guess I lack the killer instinct.

HAHA. Missed that the first time through. I'm sure the nice man at the slaughter house read that last cow you ate a bed time story and gave it a hug before killing it for your happy meal pleasure. :lol:

Someone's gotta do it. I personally think killing what you eat makes you understand the gift of food a little better. Can't take grocery stores and Wendy's for granted. I killed every farm animal worth eating in my youth on my uncle's farm. Everything from there tasted a little bit better.

[Bill]

All-

I'm really ****ed off that this thread has been turned into a mud slinging debate with angry, attacking tones. I've sent private warnings where applicable.

I am shutting the thread down for now, will circle back later and break it into 2 threads.

Don't pollute this area with debate, or worse yet in this case, attacks.