Springfield Xd Series

[jdp223]

I have the Springfield XD 40. I have been VERy PLEASED with this pistol. Over 3000 rounds so far without malfunction. I really like the added safety feature such as the grip safety. I think the XD pistol is just as reliable as the GLOCK. I have owned both GLOCK and XD. I think I prefer the XD. Functions just as well, easier to break down, and safer than a GLOCK. What do you think about the XD?

[gunrun45]

Several LE agencies I know have opted for the XD's due to price, safety and did I mention price?
They seem as durable as the glock or even more so. I think Handgun magazine or somebody did a test on them equivalent to the famous "Glock test". It passed with flying colors. There is another writter that has a "round count" going for his XD and it is pretty high. Can't remember the exact number but I remember that it was impressive.
I can tell you that my neighborhood indoor shooting range has several that they rent out.
I kinda use that as my testbed for guns. They see THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of rounds every year through a variety of hands taht range from novice to expert. You get to know what works and what fails.
So far the XD's have passed with flying colors.
I personally don't own one yet. I have to wait another 20 days before California will allow me to buy another handgun. I plan on picking up a XD 45ACP. Can't pass up a high cap 45:). I had a Glock 21 but sold it to my range master at the time because the bore line didn't fit my hand and I had a hard time point shooting it.

[BlkHawk73]

First I must say I have no firsthand experience with the XD models. I just think it's funny that nobody really ever cared about this design, rallied around the design or really bragged about owning this design when it was the HS2000. Same gun just has Springfield importing it and rollmarking thier name on it. Instantly it's a great gun. :confused: Maybe so, just funny what putting a different name on it can do to a Crotian made handgun.
Like I said, no firsthand experince with them as they just don't appeal to me visually and just don't fit my hands very well. I think it's the angle and the top rear portion of the grip that's uncomfortable for me.

[FatDaddy]

Springfield, now that was just marketing genious. Buy a good solid virtually unknown pistol, slap your name on it and charge $150 more for it. It cost more so it must be better right? ;)
But seriously I had never seen a HS2000 in any gunstore around here. It was only when Springfield picked them up that I started seeing them. I have to admit the made in Croatia turned me off a bit though.

[Vincent Black]

I heard that the new .45 ACP XD has the melonite finish on it, and that all new XD's will have it as well later this year.

If that's true, that will address the one bad issue with it, being the poor finish that isn't very rust resistant.

-Vincent

[bill.l.johnson]

I've had an XD40 4" for 3 years. Never had a hiccup or any issue with it.
Shot it clean and dirty and never failed.
I think the reason I was first attracted to it was the feel in my hand. I believe that is the best reason to like it. It aligns easily for fast targeting.

But for fun I like my S&W 66-2 best.

bill

[BlenderWizard]

Springfield, now that was just marketing genious. Buy a good solid virtually unknown pistol, slap your name on it and charge $150 more for it. It cost more so it must be better right? ;)
But seriously I had never seen a HS2000 in any gunstore around here. It was only when Springfield picked them up that I started seeing them. I have to admit the made in Croatia turned me off a bit though.

Glocks are German, XD's are Croatian... doesn't make much difference to me. CZ makes a fine firearm, and they're Czech

[LonePathfinder]

While the XD's look nice, any more I look for pistols that are compatable with other systems and/or acessories. Is there a carbine that takes the same mags? Do the compact and full size versions share mags between them?

Things like that.

I swear if a company made a fullsize pistol, a compact and maybe even a subcompact along with a carbine that all could share magazines for a decent price and offer various configurations (external hammer on pistols with USP style variants) they could make a killing with a good marketing plan.

Glock has some of this idea. Beretta has another part. The mech tech carbine unit and the Keltech sub 2k have other parts. HK has the right idea with options on configuration of controls. Combine them all! One day after I've made my millions and have money to invest in whims....:lol:

[MIK911]

i recently purchased a glock 19 and love it, and what i heard from many people was that the glock was more accurate and tougher, and although it is a little more expensive and has less safeties, it is a better gun, i cant say from personal experiance, because i only own a glock, but when i was choosing a gun i must say i had an extremely hard time between the g19 v. the xd9

[faawrenchbndr]

The Glock 19 is most likely the BEST pistol in their line up. Overall it seemed perfect. I've had one for thirteen years. The Glock is great.

Congrats on the 19 purchase.

[Zydeco76]

I had an xd40 at 3500 or so rounds. It is accurate and super reliable. I just traded it off to get the XD45acp. The finish on my 40 sucked though. It had holster wear after a week. However looks are the least important part of this.

[gossman]

The Springer XD is a great gun. I have handled the 9mm, not my favorite style but accuarate and a great price.

[Ridetoobs]

I've got the XD-357 Service model...Awesome gun...feels weird to shoot it after my Kimber, definately easier to CCW it. I've put over 5000 rounds down range with minimal maintenance.

[Billy_B0b]

i have had my 4" XD40 for about 4 months now...put about 600 rounds through it flawlessly....easy to put on target...its a great firearm

[devildogmech]

Springfield, now that was just marketing genious. Buy a good solid virtually unknown pistol, slap your name on it and charge $150 more for it. It cost more so it must be better right? ;)
But seriously I had never seen a HS2000 in any gunstore around here. It was only when Springfield picked them up that I started seeing them. I have to admit the made in Croatia turned me off a bit though.

I agree... I had never heard of the weapon untill I saw it in a Springfield add.... I shot one in .40 once.... very nice.....

Billy

[FatDaddy]

I've been wanting to give one a try myself since they got the finish issues fixed. Usually things get picked apart on the internet. I don't think I've heard a bad review of the XD from anyone. That fact alone should say something about the gun.

[deerfu39]

purchased an xd9mm in nov. good deal with the mags and accs. that com in the package including rail light tha can be used on other weapons

[garza1290]

My wife's cousin has an XD-40. I think for the price it's a great buy. Looks too much like a Glock and it's heavy though. I've shot with it and liked it enough. I didn't care too much for the palm safety but all in all its a good gun.

[BBstacker]

I have two XD's boeth in 45 acp. after buying the 5" I went out and bought the 4" model. I also have two 1911's one springfield and one kimber.

[lilxboi]

I've got two. XD40 service bi-tone and XD9SC in OD. Both have worked great and I'm good with them.

[BBstacker]

Lilxboi have you changed your sights yet ? I changed the ones on my 4".Used theTrijicon night sights. Going to a gun show tomarrow at Vally Forge Pa. I"ll look for a set to put on my 5" among other toys.

[lilxboi]

Lilxboi have you changed your sights yet ? I changed the ones on my 4".Used theTrijicon night sights. Going to a gun show tomarrow at Vally Forge Pa. I"ll look for a set to put on my 5" among other toys.

I'd like to but I haven't the money for extras yet. I'm on a student's budget and I just picked up a Mini-14 and a bunch of mags for the Mini and for my XD-40. I have a Taurus with Trijicons if I need something for low light situations and I keep my Inova X03 flashlight handy.

[Rmitch223]

Does the XD .45 come in stainless? I know I saw one on there website, but when I called around to price one most people said they are way behind on manufacturing and Its very hard to find a stainless XD. Where Can I find one?

[BBstacker]

Did you call springfield? I did not see one in there catalog. Went over to the XDtalk forum to see if any one has seen one in stainless.It seems alot of them are getting there XD's hardchromed.Some are getting just the slide & barrel.Others are getting all steel parts hardchromed.

[Rmitch223]

No, Havent called springfield yet. Did anyone over there have a stainless? (Bi-tone)

[BBstacker]

No if any one did they would be talking about it.And not about sending there XD's out to get hardchromed.

[lilxboi]

Does the XD .45 come in stainless? I know I saw one on there website, but when I called around to price one most people said they are way behind on manufacturing and Its very hard to find a stainless XD. Where Can I find one?

Yes they do come in Bi-tone. Seen some pictures myself and if you check their website it is item # XD9613HCSP06 Bi-Tone.

[HighDesertWolf]

Springfield, now that was just marketing genious. Buy a good solid virtually unknown pistol, slap your name on it and charge $150 more for it. It cost more so it must be better right? ;)
But seriously I had never seen a HS2000 in any gunstore around here. It was only when Springfield picked them up that I started seeing them. I have to admit the made in Croatia turned me off a bit though.

why? please explain whats wrong with croatia??

[HighDesertWolf]

Glocks are German, XD's are Croatian... doesn't make much difference to me. CZ makes a fine firearm, and they're Czech


glocks are austrian....

[HighDesertWolf]

Springfield, now that was just marketing genious. Buy a good solid virtually unknown pistol, slap your name on it and charge $150 more for it. It cost more so it must be better right? ;)
But seriously I had never seen a HS2000 in any gunstore around here. It was only when Springfield picked them up that I started seeing them. I have to admit the made in Croatia turned me off a bit though.


thats because the HS2000 was on the market for less than a year before springfield got a hold of it.

[HighDesertWolf]

Does the XD .45 come in stainless? I know I saw one on there website, but when I called around to price one most people said they are way behind on manufacturing and Its very hard to find a stainless XD. Where Can I find one?


I was told the bi-tone stainless/Black wont be available untill sometime in 07. I wanted a stainless/black but looked at a bi-tone Black/Dark earth was kinda weird at first but I wanted an XD-45acp 5" tactical bad enough I went ahead and bought it regardless of what it looked like. now I am actually glad I got it in this color it really grew on me. Now im looking at getting a service size XD-45acp in the same black/Dark earth. Im also waiting for an XD-45acp sub compact to come out.

some one asked earlier in the thread if the same mags will work in the different sizes platforms ie sub compact, service and tactical yes they do atleast they do sofar in every other caliber the XD is available in. also Im sure it wont be too long before someone makes a carbine that uses XD mags.

[FatDaddy]

why? please explain whats wrong with croatia??

When I first got to hold one and saw Springfield I just expected it to be made in USA and was sort of surprised when I saw "Made in Croatia". My first thought was "Where the hell is that?"

Don't get me wrong, I think the XD is a great pistol and will probably end up buying one.

[quickblu]

I always try to buy made in USA, so i can see where your comming form with that FatDaddy. However I bought an XD40 in early 05 and i love it. As a lefty handguns can be tricky as many of the functions tend to be geared for right handers but the XD format is perfect and is not at all akward. Id recomend one to everybody. :)

[HighDesertWolf]

When I first got to hold one and saw Springfield I just expected it to be made in USA and was sort of surprised when I saw "Made in Croatia". My first thought was "Where the hell is that?"

Don't get me wrong, I think the XD is a great pistol and will probably end up buying one.


ok i give ya that not many know where croatia is lol. just thought maybe you were in the boat with the other guys who knock xd's because croatia was former communist country and feel their standards arent up to beat. Croatia isnt a very big country but their weapons technology is definately up to beat like somany other eastern block countries are.

[billt]

First I must say I have no firsthand experience with the XD models. I just think it's funny that nobody really ever cared about this design, rallied around the design or really bragged about owning this design when it was the HS2000. Same gun just has Springfield importing it and rollmarking thier name on it. Instantly it's a great gun. :confused: Maybe so, just funny what putting a different name on it can do to a Crotian made handgun.

Excellent point. This is a cut and paste from another forum on the Springfield XD / Glock comparision issue. He brings up some very good points, and it makes for a intresting read. Bill T.



I originally posted this as a reply to an XD review and the subsequent replies of 'omg the XD is sooooo much better than the Glock rofl' I couldn't take it and had to put some things out there. Enjoy!

One thing the XD is superior to the Glock in is handle diameter and that's only for people with short fingers. That's it. Other reasons given to the XD's superiority are subjective to opinion and nothing else.

A few of the given 'reasons' XDs are better I read in this post:

Price. I work in at a gun shop and at a range, the Glock is about $80 more than the XD. I don't know many people who think $80 is something to worry about with something that protects your life.

Machining quality/manufacture. At both of my occupations I have XDs come back for warranty work (sometimes complete replacement due to inability to repair). Cracked frames, ftf, stovepiping, chambers needing to be honed. The list goes on and on.

Durability. Like the aforementioned reason - it's false. Most people have this opinion based on only having a few thousand (if that) rounds through their XDs. At the range we are constantly having problems with our XD rentals (see previous reason problems) while our Glocks usually run about 100,000 rounds through them before we cycle a new one into the mix. Those are 100,000 trouble free rounds. Consistently. Wait a few more years when all of these XDs get some real use.

Ergonomics. XD likes to tout this one in their advertising as well saying that when you point it the sights line up rather than having you look at the top of the slide. Glock went with their 105 degree handle angle for a reason: they tested, tested and did some more testing and found that it provided the best firing results for accuracy and following shots. The XD's handle angle along with its high barrel axis to the hand provide much more muzzle flip than a Glock which in turn means less accurate double-taps and a less control.

Single action vs double action. The Glock uses the double action for safety. It's one of the reasons it's called Safe-Action. If the striker spring isn't cocked - it can't fire! Just like a down hammer. The XD has a cocked spring. You can count on replacing the striker spring many more times in an XD than a Glock because of this. You also better hope your firing pin block is in proper working order or you're at the mercy of the poorly designed sear of the XD which, by the way, will fire out of battery. Try pushing back on the slide sometime while pulling the trigger. The double action might not be as smooth, clean or as short a pull of the single action, but these are service pistols not target pistols.

The slide lock. The slide lock on the Glock is designed to be tight against the frame and slide as to not be snagged on anything. They also wanted people to use two hands to release the slide because it's a more controlled manner than hitting the lock with your thumb. This isn't the movies! Release the slide the proper way. The slide lock on the XD also adds a decent amount to the overall width of the weapon - not very carry friendly.

Finish. People, Tenifer is not the outside coating. Tenifer is the metal treatment of the slide and barrel itself. It is .005 mm thick and is close the the hardness of diamond. The treatment of the metal itself acheives a 99.9% salt water resistance. Tenifer is also illegal in this country because the EPA. XD does not have it. Don't regularly oil the slide on your XD and carry it in a cold climate for a while. The in/out condensation will rust your slide in no time.

Warranty. Good thing Sprinfield has you covered here, you're going to need it.

Field stripping. The Glock actually uses a faster process which uses less steps than the XD. Also, many people rotate the take-down lever then pull the slide lock down putting all forward inertia of the slide to come to a halt against the sear (it's the only thing keeping the slide from going forward at that point) and cause damage to the sear, striker and frame.

Loaded chamber indicator. Glock has this as well. Wake up.

Cocked indicator. Glock has this as well. If the trigger is forward on a Glock, it's cocked. Also, how are you going to get a round into the chamber on either of these guns without it being cocked? It's not a Walther with a decocker.

Grip safety. How is a gun going to go off without your hand on the handle? Your finger should never be inside the trigger guard unless you have the weapon acquired and intend to fire. Are we forgetting some basic firearm rules? The grip safety is null and void.

Customization. If you can't find genuine Glock custom parts for your Glock at your local gun dealer, you need to find a new one. Glock holsters, parts and accessories are everywhere. Try to find a holster for your XD. It's much more difficult. Yes, it's newer and takes a while, but companies will be reluctant to make them because Springfield supplies you with one, albeit a horrible one with not one level of retention.

I felt the need to debunk these XD/Glock myths. The XD is not even close the being up to par with the Glock. The Glock is going on 20 years now and has changed the world of pistols - the XD won't make that sort of impact.

[billt]

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4961/crackedlockingblockqo5.jpg

This has been happening to the locking block on a lot of these handguns. It's interesting that these handguns went for around $250.00 when they "were" the HS2000. I guess someone has to pay for all of Springfields advertising. I've never seen a pistol pushed so hard as this one, in the last 35 years. This month it has both front and back special cover ads in both Guns & Ammo as well as Shooting Times. Bill T.

[HighDesertWolf]

Excellent point. This is a cut and paste from another forum on the Springfield XD / Glock comparision issue. He brings up some very good points, and it makes for a intresting read. Bill T.



I originally posted this as a reply to an XD review and the subsequent replies of 'omg the XD is sooooo much better than the Glock rofl' I couldn't take it and had to put some things out there. Enjoy!

One thing the XD is superior to the Glock in is handle diameter and that's only for people with short fingers. That's it. Other reasons given to the XD's superiority are subjective to opinion and nothing else.

A few of the given 'reasons' XDs are better I read in this post:

Price. I work in at a gun shop and at a range, the Glock is about $80 more than the XD. I don't know many people who think $80 is something to worry about with something that protects your life.

Machining quality/manufacture. At both of my occupations I have XDs come back for warranty work (sometimes complete replacement due to inability to repair). Cracked frames, ftf, stovepiping, chambers needing to be honed. The list goes on and on.

Durability. Like the aforementioned reason - it's false. Most people have this opinion based on only having a few thousand (if that) rounds through their XDs. At the range we are constantly having problems with our XD rentals (see previous reason problems) while our Glocks usually run about 100,000 rounds through them before we cycle a new one into the mix. Those are 100,000 trouble free rounds. Consistently. Wait a few more years when all of these XDs get some real use.

Ergonomics. XD likes to tout this one in their advertising as well saying that when you point it the sights line up rather than having you look at the top of the slide. Glock went with their 105 degree handle angle for a reason: they tested, tested and did some more testing and found that it provided the best firing results for accuracy and following shots. The XD's handle angle along with its high barrel axis to the hand provide much more muzzle flip than a Glock which in turn means less accurate double-taps and a less control.

Single action vs double action. The Glock uses the double action for safety. It's one of the reasons it's called Safe-Action. If the striker spring isn't cocked - it can't fire! Just like a down hammer. The XD has a cocked spring. You can count on replacing the striker spring many more times in an XD than a Glock because of this. You also better hope your firing pin block is in proper working order or you're at the mercy of the poorly designed sear of the XD which, by the way, will fire out of battery. Try pushing back on the slide sometime while pulling the trigger. The double action might not be as smooth, clean or as short a pull of the single action, but these are service pistols not target pistols.

The slide lock. The slide lock on the Glock is designed to be tight against the frame and slide as to not be snagged on anything. They also wanted people to use two hands to release the slide because it's a more controlled manner than hitting the lock with your thumb. This isn't the movies! Release the slide the proper way. The slide lock on the XD also adds a decent amount to the overall width of the weapon - not very carry friendly.

Finish. People, Tenifer is not the outside coating. Tenifer is the metal treatment of the slide and barrel itself. It is .005 mm thick and is close the the hardness of diamond. The treatment of the metal itself acheives a 99.9% salt water resistance. Tenifer is also illegal in this country because the EPA. XD does not have it. Don't regularly oil the slide on your XD and carry it in a cold climate for a while. The in/out condensation will rust your slide in no time.

Warranty. Good thing Sprinfield has you covered here, you're going to need it.

Field stripping. The Glock actually uses a faster process which uses less steps than the XD. Also, many people rotate the take-down lever then pull the slide lock down putting all forward inertia of the slide to come to a halt against the sear (it's the only thing keeping the slide from going forward at that point) and cause damage to the sear, striker and frame.

Loaded chamber indicator. Glock has this as well. Wake up.

Cocked indicator. Glock has this as well. If the trigger is forward on a Glock, it's cocked. Also, how are you going to get a round into the chamber on either of these guns without it being cocked? It's not a Walther with a decocker.

Grip safety. How is a gun going to go off without your hand on the handle? Your finger should never be inside the trigger guard unless you have the weapon acquired and intend to fire. Are we forgetting some basic firearm rules? The grip safety is null and void.

Customization. If you can't find genuine Glock custom parts for your Glock at your local gun dealer, you need to find a new one. Glock holsters, parts and accessories are everywhere. Try to find a holster for your XD. It's much more difficult. Yes, it's newer and takes a while, but companies will be reluctant to make them because Springfield supplies you with one, albeit a horrible one with not one level of retention.

I felt the need to debunk these XD/Glock myths. The XD is not even close the being up to par with the Glock. The Glock is going on 20 years now and has changed the world of pistols - the XD won't make that sort of impact.



you make some valid points here and many I take with a grain of salt, but id be a little more willing to believe you if you would have come off a little more neutral. You are obviously extremely biassed towards glocks... your intentions may have been to debunk the XD/Glock myths, but I felt you didnt debunk anything... you more or less reversed the roles and cr@pped on XD's and talked up glocks as the holy greil of handguns.

[billt]

you make some valid points here and many I take with a grain of salt, but id be a little more willing to believe you if you would have come off a little more neutral. You are obviously extremely biassed towards glocks... your intentions may have been to debunk the XD/Glock myths, but I felt you didnt debunk anything... you more or less reversed the roles and cr@pped on XD's and talked up glocks as the holy greil of handguns.

You have used the word "YOU" 5 times in 4 sentences. There is one problem with that. I didn't write it. It is a cut and paste from another forum. I stated that in the beginning. I will admit to the fact I do agree with his statements more than I disagree. My issue is with the fact the Springfield XD is the same pistol as the HS 2000. It sold for around $250.00. No one seemed to give a damn about it one way or another. Then Springfield bought the rights to produce it, or import it, or whatever, and jack up the price another $200.00, and all of a sudden it's a wonderful pistol, a great buy, and people are standing in line for it. Whats changed?? Same gun, different package. It didn't receive any fanfare as the HS 2000, why should it receive anymore as the Springfield XD? Except for the fact Springfield is overcharging for it to pay for their run away advertising. One thing he stated is the fact the Glock has successfully withstood the test of time. Springfield has a long way to go in that dept. Bill T.

[billt]

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2122/brokenxdslideqo7.jpg

By the way, this is happening to the slides on a lot of the ported XD's. Bill T.

[HighDesertWolf]

You have used the word "YOU" 5 times in 4 sentences. There is one problem with that. I didn't write it. It is a cut and paste from another forum. I stated that in the beginning. I will admit to the fact I do agree with his statements more than I disagree. My issue is with the fact the Springfield XD is the same pistol as the HS 2000. It sold for around $250.00. No one seemed to give a damn about it one way or another. Then Springfield bought the rights to produce it, or import it, or whatever, and jack up the price another $200.00, and all of a sudden it's a wonderful pistol, a great buy, and people are standing in line for it. Whats changed?? Same gun, different package. It didn't receive any fanfare as the HS 2000, why should it receive anymore as the Springfield XD? Except for the fact Springfield is overcharging for it to pay for their run away advertising. One thing he stated is the fact the Glock has successfully withstood the test of time. Springfield has a long way to go in that dept. Bill T.


well then change all the "YOU" to HE. LOL I didnt realize it was a cut and paste from another guy. anyway you have a point about the HS2000 and now being the XD but in the defense of the XD/HS2000 the HS2000 was being imported and sold in very small numbers for barely a year with hardly to no advertising. Not many people even had any knowledge of it. it was just another import like FEG or STAR not many people had any experience with it and it deffinately had no time to generate a fan base in that short year before springfield got their grubby hands on it. In springfields defense they did make several refinements on the gun wether they are valid or not isnt the point. I dont feel the refinements are worth the extra 200 clams. But also in their defense when they first began selling the HS2000 as the XD they were priced at about $350 bucks this was back between 01-04 but as they became popular like anything else the price goes up. Do you remember howmuch glocks were when they were first introduced?? then as they got popular the price also increased. Time will only tell where the XD goes just like the glocks.

[rsidner]

First I must say I have no firsthand experience with the XD models. I just think it's funny that nobody really ever cared about this design, rallied around the design or really bragged about owning this design when it was the HS2000. Same gun just has Springfield importing it and rollmarking thier name on it. Instantly it's a great gun. :confused: Maybe so, just funny what putting a different name on it can do to a Crotian made handgun.
Like I said, no firsthand experince with them as they just don't appeal to me visually and just don't fit my hands very well. I think it's the angle and the top rear portion of the grip that's uncomfortable for me.

I agree with a lot of this statement. I too find it humorous that a formerly "noname" handgun from Croatia took off like it did just because SA put their name on it (and charged more for it).

I do have first hand experience with it and my experience has been a good one. I think it is a good handgun and a reliable one. The only issues that I've seen with it that affected its reliability were errors in tuning it with aftermarket adjusted weight springs so I do not blame the weapon for that. The only other issue that I've seen with it (which may only be on earlier models and I'm not sure if this has been remedied on newer ones) is the blued slides need additional protection because the have shown a tendency to spot rust if they get wet and not properly dried.

The statement that "They're safer than Glocks" is essentially not true. ALL firearms are subject to the rule "Off target, off trigger!" Glocks will not fire unless you make them do so which requires you to place your finger on the trigger. Most think that the trigger safety is the only safety on a glock but in fact they have three safeties. The first safety is the trigger bar, the second safety is the firing pin release button in the slide which is engaged by a nub on the transfer bar, and the third safety is a locking bar in the rear of the frame that keeps the springs from releasing. All of these safeties are disengaged when you pull the trigger. You can load the weapon and throw it against a brick wall like a baseball and it will not discharge (not that I suggest doing this for obvious reasons). It's like saying that a SA/DA with a manual safety is safer. In fact, I found it to be less safe because it made me feel relaxed and more passive about the fundementals of firearm safety. Not that I was going around and pointing my loaded P89 in people's faces for fun but you get the idea. It gave me a false impression that the weapon was safer, which it wasn't.

All in all, what I'm saying is that I am glad that you are satisfied with your XD. That is what is important. If you are not satisfied with your weapon or if you are not confident with your weapon, it's worthless.

[rsidner]

well then change all the "YOU" to HE. LOL I didnt realize it was a cut and paste from another guy. anyway you have a point about the HS2000 and now being the XD but in the defense of the XD/HS2000 the HS2000 was being imported and sold in very small numbers for barely a year with hardly to no advertising. Not many people even had any knowledge of it. it was just another import like FEG or STAR not many people had any experience with it and it deffinately had no time to generate a fan base in that short year before springfield got their grubby hands on it. In springfields defense they did make several refinements on the gun wether they are valid or not isnt the point. I dont feel the refinements are worth the extra 200 clams. But also in their defense when they first began selling the HS2000 as the XD they were priced at about $350 bucks this was back between 01-04 but as they became popular like anything else the price goes up. Do you remember howmuch glocks were when they were first introduced?? then as they got popular the price also increased. Time will only tell where the XD goes just like the glocks.

This isn't really a fair statement because the first Glock (the Glock 17) was introduced in the early 80's, about 20-25 years ago. EVERYTHING was cheaper then and over the course of 20-25 years, inflation has taken its toll. This has also affected the cost of the Glock. In fact, Glocks are probably cheaper in comparison to what they were when they first came out.
Average income of a working adult in 1981 according to the Census Bureau-$13099 Cost of a Glock in the 1980's- Around $300
Average income of a working adult in 2006 according to the Census Bureau-$46326 Cost of a Glock in 2006- I paid NIB $500 and it's better quality than the original.
That makes a $200 price "gouge/jump/spike" over the course of more than 20 years of inflation. Most families make 2-3 times more than they did in the 80's and Glocks don't cost $600-$900 compared to the original $300 so they are in effect less expensive.

Whereas you have the XD that was $250 3-4 years ago and now they're $400-$450. Need I say more about the price?

I think that the biggest issue with the XD's and as well the new S&W M&P's is that they're new designs and new concepts for handguns. Glock has the leg up on both of them because Glock has had 20+ years to improve upon their design and refine it into a truly "indestructable" handgun. I'm sure that both the XD's and M&P's will have had their fair share of revisions in 20 years if they are still around. Their imperfections will show in the long haul and either SA and S&W will fix/revise them (if they actually care to have their handguns "go anywhere") or they will ignore the problems and just let people buy inferior products. It boils down to time and the manufacturers caring enough to improve the design.

[wulf03]

Well I would much safer carrying a loaded glock in the woods or where ever than carrying a loaded glock. Kinda of hard to fall down and mash the grip safety and trigger safety as opposed to falling with the glock and mashing the trigger safety. And yes for most people this is no real issue because they never get off pavement. Dont get me wrong I love glock but the springfield to me is a safer gun. After a couple 1000 rounds we will see hoe reliable the springfields are. Also I must point out what a sad fact I just read in the local newspaper. It was talking about how most lawmen today had little if any experience with any type of gun until there le training. Also how most kids as well as 20-30 year olds have never fired a gun. Thats is just sad. How could we possibly hope to hold off the EU, UN or the federal goverment with this pathetic group of people living in the US today. God how I wish it was still the mid 1980's here in western NC. As a boy I can remeber running into people who were out practicing on just about any dirt road every single day of the week. Now all we have are these damn FL retiree's who call the law everytime they here a gunshot or see a vehicle with a NC license plate. But like I recently told our new elect republican sheriff the day I stop shooting in my on section of the country is the day they put me six feet under. I just wish more people would stand up to this new liberal idealistic group of people we have in the states today!

[timlt]

Jdp223, going back to your original question, my take on the XD series is I think it's a great gun. Of course, I HAVE to say that, as I just acquired an XD9 subcompact yesterday. But believe me, I'm a borderline psychotic researcher when it comes to getting new hardware, and I got this one because I thought it was a great pistol for the money, and my research seemed to support that. I wouldn't be stupid enough to think this is the best 9mm in existence or something, but I think that FOR THE MONEY, this is a great pistol that a very large number of users have reported it has the following distinctives:

* Better-than-average accuracy for ANY 9mm, not just for a pistol of this short-barreled size.

* Extremely durable and reliable feeding/firing/extracting.

* Great features, particularly good capacity for such small guns, good safety mechanisms.

* Ergonomics. Good grip (among those who like this style of grip), well balanced.

I fully understand that some folks will prefer other kinds of pistols and will disagree with the "advantages" of the XD as reported above. But these are some of the strengths often reported by those who like the XD, and I agree with these particular strengths, to me, these were some of the reasons why I chose this one over other options in the same price range.

[Updated]

One other reason why I personally liked this Xd subcompact. In this category of "very small ccw's", I have found that many of them don't fit my big hands that well. Although I know the Kahr is a great pistol for instance, I just did not like how it fit and felt in my hands. Bottom line, the XD9 felt and could be controlled like a full-size 9mm in my hands (especially with that mag-extension thing on the 16rd mag, but really even with the 10rd mags), it feels and balances great. This is probably the most important consideration of all that led me to buy it, but I forgot to mention it previously.

Also, it looks like a lot of folks have debated the merits of Glocks versus Springfields in this thread. I suppose this is inevitable, as the two pistols occupy a similar niche and price-point in the gun marketplace. But really, I don't see it as an either-or situation. I like LOTS of guns, and there is room in my affections and gun safe (if not in my wallet) for many different brands and models. The more guns, the more fun! I believe Glocks are indeed great guns, and their reliability in firing is legendary and probably unequalled among semiautos. I have nothing against Glocks, the only reason they are never on my short list of items to get is, I just don't like how they fit and feel in my hands. I could never quite get comfortable holding one. So I never bought one, even though otherwise I think they're great, and really pretty affordable too.

[rsidner]

Well I would much safer carrying a loaded XD in the woods or where ever than carrying a loaded glock. Kinda of hard to fall down and mash the grip safety and trigger safety as opposed to falling with the glock and mashing the trigger safety. And yes for most people this is no real issue because they never get off pavement. Dont get me wrong I love glock but the springfield to me is a safer gun. After a couple 1000 rounds we will see hoe reliable the springfields are. Also I must point out what a sad fact I just read in the local newspaper. It was talking about how most lawmen today had little if any experience with any type of gun until there le training. Also how most kids as well as 20-30 year olds have never fired a gun. Thats is just sad. How could we possibly hope to hold off the EU, UN or the federal goverment with this pathetic group of people living in the US today. God how I wish it was still the mid 1980's here in western NC. As a boy I can remeber running into people who were out practicing on just about any dirt road every single day of the week. Now all we have are these damn FL retiree's who call the law everytime they here a gunshot or see a vehicle with a NC license plate. But like I recently told our new elect republican sheriff the day I stop shooting in my on section of the country is the day they put me six feet under. I just wish more people would stand up to this new liberal idealistic group of people we have in the states today!

Fixed it for ya'! :D

Just out of curiosity, how are you "mashing" the trigger safety on a glock when it is properly holstered in something that provides adequate protection for the trigger? Just curious. I carry my Glock in a holster, as well as ANY other handgun I carry so I don't see how this is possible...unless you're a cop that removes their glock from their holster, puts their finger on the trigger, goes to unload it with their left hand, putting their left fingers in front of the muzzle, pulling the slide back and depressing the trigger and blowing off a couple fingers. This all actually happened and happened at a desk. I'm tired of saying it. Idiots AD guns and hurt themselves...the guns aren't doing it on their own.

[Mooky]

I am not much of a handgun shooter, but have always had a wheelgun around. I prefer the XD to the Glock (and yes, I have an XD45 after handling and SHOOTING many different autoloaders) and am happy with my purchase. It surprises me how offended Glock owners are about the XD. Ya, its made in Croatia (like a CZ), ya Springfield picked up the rights and upped the price, while probablhy saving the factory. Bottom line....who cares? I think it is a better pistol, if a Glock shooter does not, fine!

This is my first semi-auto pistol, and I have beat the crap out of it without a hitch. And unlike the Glock, I can hit stuff with it (as mentioned earlier, not much of a handgun guy). Can't we all just get along? lol

[wulf03]

Do some online research and find out how many people have fallen and made there holstered glock go off. Or how many of the so called well trained leo guys have shot them selves with there safely loaded glock.Or how many crminal's have managed to make a leo's safely holstered glock go off while in a scuffle. The results might just change your mind. Now mind you I love glocks and belive them to be the best out there above Springfield and even hk. But as to carrying a loaded chambered glock well you be the judge. If you are in a place you fell you need your side arm carried loaded then by all means do it. But just to go around every single day with a chambered glock just doesnt make sense to me.

[rsidner]

Do some online research and find out how many people have fallen and made there holstered glock go off. Or how many of the so called well trained leo guys have shot them selves with there safely loaded glock.Or how many crminal's have managed to make a leo's safely holstered glock go off while in a scuffle. The results might just change your mind. Now mind you I love glocks and belive them to be the best out there above Springfield and even hk. But as to carrying a loaded chambered glock well you be the judge. If you are in a place you fell you need your side arm carried loaded then by all means do it. But just to go around every single day with a chambered glock just doesnt make sense to me.

If there's so many examples, I'd love if you posted the reputable sources for these stories and events. I have seen a loaded G21 thrown from an airplane at 500 feet in the air going 100 mph and it did not discharge, along with being run over by a truck, thrown off the roof of a house into asphault, and drug behind a truck tied to a rope. Absolutely ZERO discharges and was immediately picked up and shot just fine.

If this was at some point some type of issue...it is not present in any current Glocks.

I'm not offended at all by the XD. I think it's a great handgun. The things I bring up about it being made in Croatia, I just thought it's kinda funny. Hell, I don't know that much about Austria either. I got the Glock because I wanted the G19 and it just had more to offer ME. The XD is better for some and Glock is better for others. I just don't like to hear "The grip safety makes it safer than Glocks." You know why I don't like to hear that? Because it doesn't. I don't hear anyone complaining about the lack of a grip safety on the new S&W M&P.

I've learned a lot about Glocks since I've even been thinking about buying one. Here's an interesting fact. The striker (which is pretty much the firing pin) has ZERO tension on it UNTIL the trigger is depressed. This means that IF the LEO is telling the truth that they fell on their side with their holstered Glock, it is the HOLSTER'S fault and not the weapon because the holster, which should be protecting the trigger is actually pulling it somehow. If a LEO shoots themself and still consider themself trained, maybe you should reevaluate your definition of "well trained". I have been through a bit of peace officer training for one of my jobs but haven't been through police academy or anything. I am technically not as well trained as a LEO. Guess what! I carry a G19 every single day for work with a round in the chamber and I haven't shot myself once. Do you know why? It's because I don't take loaded guns and point them at myself and pull the trigger. It sounds like a pretty simple equation but I guess some people are just stupid. As for the criminal wrestling a gun away from a LEO and shooting it...I was unaware that it was only possible to do this with Glocks...oh wait...you could wrestle any gun away from a LEO and shoot it.

Absolutely none of these thing have anything to do specifically with a Glock so I don't see what the point is. I'm not trying to be a jerk about this but I just don't tolerate "hear say" or myths generated by idiots that shoot themselves and then spread around this crap and say "It's the gun's fault even though I pointed a gun at myself and pulled the trigger."

I hope those that get the XD's enjoy them. They're good guns and I'm sure they will serve you well. Overall, the main reason that I decided toward the Glock was cheap factory mags and a huge spare parts market. Spare parts are extremely important to me.

[lilxboi]

Glocks, XDs, who cares as long as people are buying them? They are both good guns and who is to say that the Glock doesn't cost as much to make as the XD?

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[timlt]

After using my new XD for a couple weeks and a few hundred rounds, it has had not a single hiccup or problem at the range, even with cheap Winchester ammo. I love this pistol!

I have found one issue to ask other XD owners about. On my shooting (left) hand, I find that I'm building up some blisters along the inside edge of my thumb, close to the "v" area between the thumb and other fingers. There's a little indented area at the top of the grips where that part of the thumb naturally rests. I've checked and I do think I'm holding properly, there really aren't many other places to position it anyway. Also, I'm not having this problem on my CZ, nor was I having it on the Taurus.

Has anyone else had this problem of some friction points on the XD grip, and if so, what are potential resolutions? Should I consider some kind of Hogue overmolded rubber grips?

[rsidner]

After using my new XD for a couple weeks and a few hundred rounds, it has had not a single hiccup or problem at the range, even with cheap Winchester ammo. I love this pistol!

I have found one issue to ask other XD owners about. On my shooting (left) hand, I find that I'm building up some blisters along the inside edge of my thumb, close to the "v" area between the thumb and other fingers. There's a little indented area at the top of the grips where that part of the thumb naturally rests. I've checked and I do think I'm holding properly, there really aren't many other places to position it anyway. Also, I'm not having this problem on my CZ, nor was I having it on the Taurus.

Has anyone else had this problem of some friction points on the XD grip, and if so, what are potential resolutions? Should I consider some kind of Hogue overmolded rubber grips?

Are you talking about the webbing between your thumb and your palm? It may be getting pinched in the grip safety or being rubbed from the raised area. This would be my best guess. If you hold the XD naturally, check where that portion of your hand is contacting and whatever is there is the culprit.

[devildogmech]

I remember the one I shot, having a realy rough back strap... Could just need to build a callouse.. Like the one I have on the back of my hand from my HP biting me!

Billy

[timlt]

Rsidner, no, it's actually on the side of my thumb, CLOSE to the webbing area. I checked my hold again, and what's causing the problem is, there's a raised area in BETWEEN the grip safety on the back of the handgrip, and that indented or grooved area for you thumb higher up on the side of the handgrip. If you look at this right-side profile of my XD (I'm a lefty, so my shooting thumb is on the right side) you can see that small area of the grip that's between the rear safety and the side thumb groove:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=56333

It may just be me, or they may have a little design issue in that part of the grip on the subcompact models. I like a soft rubber grip anyway, so am going to look around and see what's available in aftermarket grips.

[rsidner]

Looking at the picture, are you referring to the area right above the ribbing on the back strap that is smooth?

If so, if it's up that high, you may have a problem finding something that rides up that high for an aftermarket grip. Honestly, your best option may be a bicycle innertube. If you take a piece and cut it diagonally on the top and flat on the bottom, it should work rather well. The hogues are nice but without the finger grooves like on a gen3 glock, it will twist around and stuff from shooting it. The innertube should hold tight enough to stay in place and give you a better grip.

[wulf03]

Well I ended up trading my XD for a glock 23 today. And yes I still belive the XD with the grip safety is safer than the trigger safety alone on the glock. But I have to admite I have never had a mis-fire or failure to fire or even a stove pipe with the many glocks I have owned.The only company I belive to give glock a run for the money on a toughest most reliable handgun would be sig.

[rsidner]

Well I ended up trading my XD for a glock 23 today. And yes I still belive the XD with the grip safety is safer than the trigger safety alone on the glock. But I have to admite I have never had a mis-fire or failure to fire or even a stove pipe with the many glocks I have owned.The only company I belive to give glock a run for the money on a toughest most reliable handgun would be sig.

You may have had a different experience with Sig but from some of the things I have heard and seen, Sigs need to be rather wet to run well. They are nice guns but you can run a glock dry all day long with no problems.

[gunrun45]

You guys made this kinda personal here I think.
To each there own IMO.
By the way. Several LEO's have AD's with glocks every year. The most common reason is because something (usually a jacket draw string) gets stuck in their holster and depresses the trigger in the holster. I have some pics somewhere...
There is also most likely a reason the after market safety for glocks has come into some popularity.
I like the grip safety for one reason. When holstering a handgun into a LE type rig you usually put pressure with the palm of your hand down on the bottom portion of the backstrap. This would make an AD less likely in a holster with the XD IMO.
The glock is a proven duty weapon though all over the world. I don't doubt its abilities. I DO have a problem with every Glock nut I meet that thinks they are the "end all" for the handgun world. Everything can use a little tweaking to make it perfect. Well...except me, I was perfect the day I was born :) !

[FatDaddy]

I personally don't understand why Glock doesn't offer a manual saftey version.
That would be closer to perfection to me.

[timlt]

I had my first experience shooting a Glock tonight: it was a friend's 10mm. That thing kicked like a mule, but it was still incredibly accurate, and I enjoyed the heck out of shooting it. My only problem is, now there's yet ANOTHER gun I want to get, and cannot afford! I'll keep my XD, but I wouldn't mind one of these toys too!

[Metalhead]

Well thought out and executed with quality at a fair price ( keep in mind of course when it was the High Standard or HS-2000 it was much cheaper to buy. Sprinfield saw a jewel and ran with it giving glock a run for their money).

[Der Verge]

I got to molest a couple different XDs the other day. I will have one strapped to my side shortly.

[timlt]

I got to molest a couple different XDs the other day. I will have one strapped to my side shortly.

Here's the funny thing I've noticed recently. I've had 3 different friends at the range each test-fire my XD. After shooting it, each of them said some variation of, "This gun is nicer than my 9mm, I'm interested in getting one." It's not a scientific poll or anything--it's only 3 guys. But it has been my impression that a lot of people, when given a chance to try the XD's, like them. Most mention the accuracy, how well they soak up recoil, and how well they fit in your hand.

[justinlemieux]

ive got an xd 357sig and i love it, ive put 1000 rounds easy through it and it has never jammed

[BlenderWizard]

Excellent point. This is a cut and paste from another forum on the Springfield XD / Glock comparision issue. He brings up some very good points, and it makes for a intresting read. Bill T.



I originally posted this as a reply to an XD review and the subsequent replies of 'omg the XD is sooooo much better than the Glock rofl' I couldn't take it and had to put some things out there. Enjoy!

One thing the XD is superior to the Glock in is handle diameter and that's only for people with short fingers. That's it. Other reasons given to the XD's superiority are subjective to opinion and nothing else.

A few of the given 'reasons' XDs are better I read in this post:

Price. I work in at a gun shop and at a range, the Glock is about $80 more than the XD. I don't know many people who think $80 is something to worry about with something that protects your life.

Machining quality/manufacture. At both of my occupations I have XDs come back for warranty work (sometimes complete replacement due to inability to repair). Cracked frames, ftf, stovepiping, chambers needing to be honed. The list goes on and on.

Durability. Like the aforementioned reason - it's false. Most people have this opinion based on only having a few thousand (if that) rounds through their XDs. At the range we are constantly having problems with our XD rentals (see previous reason problems) while our Glocks usually run about 100,000 rounds through them before we cycle a new one into the mix. Those are 100,000 trouble free rounds. Consistently. Wait a few more years when all of these XDs get some real use.

Ergonomics. XD likes to tout this one in their advertising as well saying that when you point it the sights line up rather than having you look at the top of the slide. Glock went with their 105 degree handle angle for a reason: they tested, tested and did some more testing and found that it provided the best firing results for accuracy and following shots. The XD's handle angle along with its high barrel axis to the hand provide much more muzzle flip than a Glock which in turn means less accurate double-taps and a less control.

Single action vs double action. The Glock uses the double action for safety. It's one of the reasons it's called Safe-Action. If the striker spring isn't cocked - it can't fire! Just like a down hammer. The XD has a cocked spring. You can count on replacing the striker spring many more times in an XD than a Glock because of this. You also better hope your firing pin block is in proper working order or you're at the mercy of the poorly designed sear of the XD which, by the way, will fire out of battery. Try pushing back on the slide sometime while pulling the trigger. The double action might not be as smooth, clean or as short a pull of the single action, but these are service pistols not target pistols.

The slide lock. The slide lock on the Glock is designed to be tight against the frame and slide as to not be snagged on anything. They also wanted people to use two hands to release the slide because it's a more controlled manner than hitting the lock with your thumb. This isn't the movies! Release the slide the proper way. The slide lock on the XD also adds a decent amount to the overall width of the weapon - not very carry friendly.

Finish. People, Tenifer is not the outside coating. Tenifer is the metal treatment of the slide and barrel itself. It is .005 mm thick and is close the the hardness of diamond. The treatment of the metal itself acheives a 99.9% salt water resistance. Tenifer is also illegal in this country because the EPA. XD does not have it. Don't regularly oil the slide on your XD and carry it in a cold climate for a while. The in/out condensation will rust your slide in no time.

Warranty. Good thing Sprinfield has you covered here, you're going to need it.

Field stripping. The Glock actually uses a faster process which uses less steps than the XD. Also, many people rotate the take-down lever then pull the slide lock down putting all forward inertia of the slide to come to a halt against the sear (it's the only thing keeping the slide from going forward at that point) and cause damage to the sear, striker and frame.

Loaded chamber indicator. Glock has this as well. Wake up.

Cocked indicator. Glock has this as well. If the trigger is forward on a Glock, it's cocked. Also, how are you going to get a round into the chamber on either of these guns without it being cocked? It's not a Walther with a decocker.

Grip safety. How is a gun going to go off without your hand on the handle? Your finger should never be inside the trigger guard unless you have the weapon acquired and intend to fire. Are we forgetting some basic firearm rules? The grip safety is null and void.

Customization. If you can't find genuine Glock custom parts for your Glock at your local gun dealer, you need to find a new one. Glock holsters, parts and accessories are everywhere. Try to find a holster for your XD. It's much more difficult. Yes, it's newer and takes a while, but companies will be reluctant to make them because Springfield supplies you with one, albeit a horrible one with not one level of retention.

I felt the need to debunk these XD/Glock myths. The XD is not even close the being up to par with the Glock. The Glock is going on 20 years now and has changed the world of pistols - the XD won't make that sort of impact.

you make some valid points here and many I take with a grain of salt, but id be a little more willing to believe you if you would have come off a little more neutral. You are obviously extremely biassed towards glocks... your intentions may have been to debunk the XD/Glock myths, but I felt you didnt debunk anything... you more or less reversed the roles and cr@pped on XD's and talked up glocks as the holy greil of handguns.

Info all looks pretty correct to me.

[deersniper6]

I have an XD .45 and i have about 250 rounds though it and no hiccup or any sort of malfunctions whatsoever. I have also never cleaned it and it eats anything i put in it. I think i may never clean it until it jams....:D