BAR vs 7400

[TPW]

Before I put my money down on the 7400, 30.06 on Monday, should I consider the BAR?
I've heard both good and bad things about both rifles and would like to hear some opinions. One thing I heard about the BAR was that they jam more often than not?
Since they are no longer made and assembled in Belgium, has the quality control gone down hill?
Are you paying for the name, or is it still an excellent rifle?
I also heard that the accuracy on the BAR was not that great?

[adaman04]

I would say they are equally good rifles. Personally, I think I would go with the Remington. They have worked a lot of the kinks out of these guns over the years and I think they really have it down now. The Browning is a fine gun as well, and the finish may be a little better on it, but mechanically, I don't think it is superior to the Remington 7400. I know what it is like to be changing your mind at the last minute, I did it about 20 times before my last gun purchase. Hope I helped ease your mind some. Get that 7400 and enjoy it!

[TPW]

I have decided on the Remington. If not for anything else, I believe Rem. is still making their guns in America, so I'll support our industry and workers as well........... ;)

[adaman04]

Sounds like a good choice.

[ShootinDave]

Originally posted by TPW@Jan 8 2006, 01:27 PM
I have decided on the Remington. If not for anything else, I believe Rem. is still making their guns in America, so I'll support our industry and workers as well........... ;)
Can't think of a better reason.... have fun with that rifle!


- Dave

[mini-mizer]

Originally posted by TPW@Jan 7 2006, 07:41 PM
Before I put my money down on the 7400, 30.06 on Monday, should I consider the BAR?
I've heard both good and bad things about both rifles and would like to hear some opinions. One thing I heard about the BAR was that they jam more often than not?
Since they are no longer made and assembled in Belgium, has the quality control gone down hill?
Are you paying for the name, or is it still an excellent rifle?
I also heard that the accuracy on the BAR was not that great?


I own a number of Browning firearms and consider them to be of the
highest quality. The army fielded a Browning BAR in Hati as a
sniper type rifle to fill the gap between the 308 and 50bmg. It had
a heavy barrel and was fitted with a 10 rnd detachable mag , chambered
for 300 Win Mag. Said to be very effective in the field.

I have a 06 BAR and it is as accurate as most bolt actions
out of the box, & has never jammed.

I like/own several Remingtons but no 7400's for
a number of reasons. Quality/durability reasons.

If you handload stay away from slow powders like 4831 in these types.

Good luck

MM

[Kinslayer]

I've had good luck with Remington auto loader's over the years.My scout Remington 7400 will shoot a clover leaf group at 100 yards with standard Federal Classic's in 150 grain soft point's. Never had a FTF or missfire in the five year's I've hunted with it.Keep the chamber and the rest clean,and she work's fine.

Allthough I own a couple of M1A's and a Rem 700 in 308,I use the 7400.

[Kinslayer]

Detachable Magazine's are nice too. I don't hunt with the box mag though,bought only as a novelty.

[TPW]

Nice looking rig. Is it the 18 1/2 inch barrell and is the extended mag an after market or Rem. product. Any problems with it? I've heard from others that after market mags are the pits.

[Kinslayer]

It's a 18 inch Barrel in 308.Burris scope and mount. The Mag is a Triple K steel 10 round ,and work's great.

It started as a 22 inch barreled 308(for some reason I don't understand Remington only sell's their carbine in 30 06)The barrel was cut at 18,and the burris mount use's the rear sight hole's and one more must be added.The front sight reatached,and a William's peep sight is mounted using the rear scope mount hole's.

I never did shoot it with the longer barrel,after seeing how well it grouped with the short barrel I wish that I had.

P.S. The bipod is a plastic clamp on I use on my varmint rifle,but work's great for picture's.

[TPW]

Nice work, it's a great looking rifle! Who sells after market goodies for the 7400 besides Triple K?

[adaman04]

Oh snap, I like that rifle.

[Kinslayer]

I think Choate offer's a synthetic pistol gripped stock for the 7400.I was thinking about buying a 870 20 gauge synthetic stock,to lower the cheek heighth.Then I could get the low Burris ring's,and get the glass a little lower.I don't remember the 742's having such a high comb.I think it was engineered that way for the see through scope mount's,that seem to be widely used.

Up here in Wisconsin the 742-7400 is still the T-rex of the north wood's

[TPW]

[QUOTE]Up here in Wisconsin the 742-7400 is still the T-rex of the north wood's

In what caliber?

[Kinslayer]

I'd have to say 3006 is the predominate round.If you see a hunter toting a Remington it's a good bet it's a 3006.

[TPW]

What grain bullet and bullet configuration do most hunters use for big game?
By configuration I mean things like soft point boat tail etc.

[Camera man]

It will depend on a few things. Like what game your going after and what cal your shooting. Lets look at these. 30-06. For deer, 150gn SP works just fine. I have taken many with one shot with this combo. My father-in-law loves to shoot 180gn round SP in his 06. For black bear I like to use 180 to 220gn. If you look at a 7mm mag. 130gn for deer is more than enough. Works good on black bear too. You can take elk and moose with a bigger bullet. Even grizz can be taken with a 7 mag. So like I said, it depends on what your up too.

[TPW]

Using a 30.06, what bullet would you use for elk, moose and grizz?

[Camera man]

For elk or moose. A heavy 30-06 would be ok if the shot is close and on the money. But I would not want to **** off a grizz with a 30-06......With that being said. There is one 30-06 load that I know about that covers these size critters. And there may be others out there like it. Hornady makes a load called the lite mag. They have come up with a faster burning powder that burns cooler. So they can push the pressure up. They have a 30-06, 165gn round that has the same speed and knock down as a 7mm mag. And I dare say there is nothing in the US that can not be taken with a 7mm mag. Even grizz. This round is one of the reasons I went with the 30-06. I can deer hunt with cheap Wally World rounds. Or buy a box or 2 of Lite mags and go out west. The best of both worlds. I hopes this helps a little.

[TPW]

Yes it does, thank you!

[Zen900]

Read where they have sold well over a million 7400s. That seems fantastical doesnt it?

[ventilator]

Dad bought me a .30-06 7400 back in '83 and it has been my main whitetail weapon ever since. Accuracy has always been good. One casing stuck in chamber in 23yrs. That was due to a dirty chamber. Keep the gun clean and it will work fine. I use Rem 150 gr SPs w/good results. Good luck.

[elokoman]

I had a 742 .30-06 for a while that was very fussy about the ammo I fed it. It would run great with mil-surp '06 ammo, but would not consistently eject Winchester Fail Safe, which I wanted for an elk cartridge. I ended up trading it in on a bolt gun. Speaking of elk cartridges, for the .300 Win Mag, I have gone to the Federal load of the Nosler Accubond, excellent accuracy, excellent ballistics. In .30-06 I use the Federal Premium High Energy with the Nosler Partition bullet for elk. I keep hoping Federal or Winchester will make a high energy load for the Nosler Accubond bullet, that would bring the '06 up into magnum performance levels yet retain the outstanding accuracy needed for longer range shots.

[Camera man]

I had a 742 .30-06 for a while that was very fussy about the ammo I fed it. It would run great with mil-surp '06 ammo, but would not consistently eject Winchester Fail Safe, which I wanted for an elk cartridge. I ended up trading it in on a bolt gun. Speaking of elk cartridges, for the .300 Win Mag, I have gone to the Federal load of the Nosler Accubond, excellent accuracy, excellent ballistics. In .30-06 I use the Federal Premium High Energy with the Nosler Partition bullet for elk. I keep hoping Federal or Winchester will make a high energy load for the Nosler Accubond bullet, that would bring the '06 up into magnum performance levels yet retain the outstanding accuracy needed for longer range shots.You should look into the Hornaday lite mag round for your 30-06. Same #'s as a 7mm mag.

[ice-nine]

Just picked my BAR Stalker in .243 Win. last night.
It handles nice, I have not fired it.
The internal mag / bottm plate is a little Rub Goldberg but so far I'm not regretting the purchase.