Abe Foxman and ADL.... Leaders in Religious

[Swordslinger]

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/641853.html

"The ADL, considered the largest Jewish organization in America, has in the past spearheaded campaigns against religious preachers and Christian elements ...... "They intend to Christianize all aspects of American life", said Foxman, "from the halls of government to the libraries, to the movies, to recording studios, to the playing fields and locker rooms of professional, collegiate and amateur sports; from the military to SpongeBob SquarePants," ....No effort is made to hide their goals or their ambitions, and their vision of America is far different from ours."

The ADL, (Anti-Defamation League, of The B'nai B'rith) is supposed to be leaders in religious tolerance. They create, and lobby congress to pass laws drawn up by them. Take for example the latest bill that was just defeated after is reached the senate, (and is being reintroduced by Ted Kenedy) S.1145 that would outlaw the New Testament as "anti-semitic and anti-homosexual hate speech". All the while masquerading as the leaders in religious tollerance. Hah!! This is not some extremist fringe group. We need to be very dilligent in our opposition to this group, and all members of it. Our law makers need to know who elects them into the offices that they covet so much. Call them!!

Senator Edward Kennedy is determined to reattach the hate bill, S.1145, unmodified, to The Sex Offenders Registration Act, S.1088. If that fails, he may attach it to the Streamlined Procedures Act. This is how they hoodwink all of us into approving of their actions. Who would suggest opposition to registering sex offenders? You gota watch em!!

The proposed law enforces nationwide the ADL definition of "hate" as "bias" against federally protected groups such as homosexuals. This makes the Bible "hate literature" and preaching from it becomes "hate speech." Bible-believing Christians become hate criminals.

Last October, ADL board member Lynne Abraham, D.A. of Philadelphia, arrested 11 Christians as "hate criminals" because they recited Bible verses against homosexuals.

Under this bill, Christian pastors would be indicted if they recited verses of the New Testament that condemn Jews for conspiring against Christ, or Old/New Testament passages condeming homosexuality.

Senate Judiciary members who support the federal “anti-hate bill” S.1145 outnumber opponents by at least 12 to 10. Two Republicans, Senator Arlen Specter (R., Pennsylvania) and Mike DeWine (R., Ohio), have declared their support for the bill.

It is imperative that all who love freedom call each of the members of the Senate toll free at 1-888-355-3588 or toll at 1-202-225-3121. All we need to do is call, and say the following “I want to express my disapproval of the hate bill S.1145.” Don’t hang up but ask to be transferred to the next Senator and so on until you have left your message with all 55 Republicans. The receptionist will either transfer you directly or send you back to the capitol operator. Calling these 55 will take about 20 minutes.

S.1145 will soon be on the floor of the Senate again, voted upon by a Senate overwhelmingly inclined to pass it quickly. Such passage already occurred on June 15, 2004, with a vote of 65 to 33, although it was later overturned in conference.



Wake up!! Your children have to live in this crap hole you are leaving them! Call me what you want, just read an understand what is happening around you!

[SPARTEN117]

ahoy :huh: i dont get it where do theis guys come from :angry: ! i say we form a country spacificly for racists and put them all their. then we [the smart people] can watch as they kill each other, or we just nuke them. :cannon: [not realy an option but fun to think about]

[kravman4]

Hypocrisy laid bare. I love it.

[debo]

We could just remember what it means to have property rights and let owners decide the rules about their property. Then we don't need laws making things Jewish or Christian or whatever. Everyone can do what they want with their own land and establishments. People can then use their freedom and patronize them if they like it, or don't if they do not.

[AR15_Fanatic]

Uh, Sword,

S. 1145 has no absoulutely text in it that prohibits the New Testament. There is no mention of the New Testament anywhere in the bill. Nor can it support any of the ADL's claims. You need to read these bills before you take their word for it.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by AR15_Fanatic@Nov 9 2005, 09:25 PM
Uh, Sword,

S. 1145 has no absoulutely text in it that prohibits the New Testament.* There is no mention of the New Testament anywhere in the bill.* Nor can it support any of the ADL's claims.* You need to read these bills before you take their word for it.

From the ADL website:

Policymakers.* 45 states and the District of Columbia have enacted hate crime laws to address the special impact of bias crimes on the community, many based on an ADL Model Statute.* The League has worked to enact comprehensive laws in every state – and leads a coalition of civil rights, law enforcement, and religious organizations in Washington working to enact broader, more inclusive federal hate crime authority.* That legislation, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crime Prevention Act of 2005, was approved as an amendment to the Children's Safety Act of 2005 on September 14 by a vote of 223-199.* The Senate version of the hate crime bill now has 45 cosponsors and is awaiting action in the Senate Judiciary Committee.*
Uh...AR

No it is not in the text, but does the quotes in the New/Old Testament fit the ADL's deffinition of "hate speech"? And since the ADL admitts that it is based on thier models, and since one of their board members jailed 11 people for reading the Bible out loud in Philly, can we not put 2 and 2 together? We need to start reading these things to see what they do, not so much what they say. Here is what it does.

It breaks down all barriers between federal and states, rights in law enforcement. It allows federal "thought police" to meddle, upon the flimsiest of pretexts, in states, enforcement of civil rights laws. It requires all states to pass and enforce ADL-style anti-hate laws. It enforces nationwide the working ADL definition of "hate" as being "bias" against federally protected groups, such as homosexuals. Such automatically makes the Bible into "hate literature" and preaching from it into "hate speech." Result: Bible-believing Christians become potential hate criminals.

1. Sec.2,4-13 clearly and repeatedly states that this Bill entitles the federal government to override states, rights in law enforcement, establishing "federal jurisdiction over certain violent crimes motivated by bias." (12)

2. Sec.7( B )(2)(A), strategically positioned near the end of the bill (just when most readers and members of Congress are yawning) is a tangle of deliberately confusing grammar and legalese terminology. Yet its implications are deadly to the future of states, rights. It says that the U.S. Attorney General, or his underlings, may pursue hate crimes indictments within states if:

A. States do "not intend to exercise jurisdiction" in prosecuting hate crimes in the way the federal government wants them to. In other words, if a state wants to prosecute all crime according to physical evidence, not "bias motivation," and reject a federal ADL hate law for their state, then the federal government has the right to swoop in and enforce the federal hate law and its "bias motivation" legal philosophy, whether that state likes it or not. Sec.7( B )(2)(A)

B. If states do not obtain the kind of verdict the federal government wishes in a hate crimes trial, the government also has the right to intervene and violate states, rights, presumably retrying the case to their satisfaction. Sec.7( B )(2)(D)

From a supreme position of power over all federal and local law enforcement, the ADL will be able to enforce its twisted definition that "hate" means bias against federally protected groups, particularly Jews and homosexuals. All Bible-believing Christians will become "haters," just as D.A. Lynne Abraham viewed them as they preached in the Philadelphia public square last year.

Consider how that similar ADL/B'nai B'rith legislation has ended free speech in Canada, and European countries. You must see S.1145 for what it is, not so much of what it says verbatem.

The problem in America is that we do not use our brains when looking at these proposals. Since this was attached to the Sex Offenders Registration Act, who is going to oppose it? This is how they take our rights, and the rights of our posterity, all the while people look on with a thousand yard stare like deer in the headlights.

While we may not agree with what people say, we must dilligently oppose anything that limits what can be said, (or even thought) because our children may need to excerisize the rights that we take for granted.


I mentioned the above Bill to further expose the ADL's hypocracy. Lets take a look at the speech by ole Abe Foxman, to see if he fits the description of intolerant.

"The ADL, considered the largest Jewish organization in America, has in the past spearheaded campaigns against religious preachers and Christian elements ...... "They intend to Christianize all aspects of American life", said Foxman, "from the halls of government to the libraries, to the movies, to recording studios, to the playing fields and locker rooms of professional, collegiate and amateur sports; from the military to SpongeBob SquarePants," ....No effort is made to hide their goals or their ambitions, and their vision of America is far different from ours."

The relationship between the ADL and the FBI is very serious. When you look at the above quote from ole Abe, then look at the open letter the FBI concerning the ADL you should get the picture.

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/mueller110305.htm

The Anti-Defamation League and the FBI share a strong bond of friendship...

It is the same groups preaching hate and intolerance here in our country that plant the seeds that grow into terrorism. We are focused on that. It is an area where the ADL has always excelled in tracking, training, and gathering information...

That all sounds fine and good right? Until you take a look at the ADL, thier history, and thier deffinitions of "hate" and those that "preach hate". As far as I know, this is the only organization that has been found guilty of spying inside the US, with connections to the Israelie Masaad, that is allowed to openly opperate, and to "help" and "train" our federal law enforcment agencies. Do a google on the spy thing. When a group such as this is bellied up next the nations main law enforcment agency......It's a slippery road.

[Swordslinger]

More from the loving and tollerant Abrahm Foxman, and ADL/Bn'ai Brith. Just feel the love!!

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscont...hp3?artid=11659 (http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=11659)

Foxman said it is time to start naming names and judging the motives of leading conservative Christian groups, and not simply respond to their specific policy initiatives.

Yeah well Abe, I am nameing names too!! Abe Foxman is a Jewish Suppremist!!

Real Christians should question his meaning of the following statment:
“We can’t use a flyswatter approach to this — it’s too serious,” Foxman said.

Foxman is calling for a Jewish summit to re-evaluate strategies.

I have not heard any of the so call evangelical Christians that he name suguesting that there are certain aspects of Judaism that they cant live with. Christians need to wake up to the fact that they are being warred against by those they think are freinds.

“We should put together the community relations and religious organizations, and see where we agree and what we can do about it,” he said. “We have to develop a clearer strategy of what we can live with and what we can’t.”

Rabbi Eugene Korn, director of Jewish affairs for the American Jewish Congress and a former ADL official, agreed that a collective re-evaluation of Jewish church-state strategies is in order, but expressed concern that attacking the Evangelicals could harm Israel.

Yeah, they could wake up!!
but expressed concern that attacking the Evangelicals could harm Israel

[Swordslinger]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051119/ap_on_...s_conservatives (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051119/ap_on_re_us/reform_jews_conservatives)

This appears to be a trend. Imagine if all these Judeo-Christian churches withdrew thier support for Israel.....

What would be said of a Christian who stood up and pointed out the teachings of the talmud, or drew attention to the land of the Israelies as the one of the most aparthied, intolerant, and sepparatist nations in the world??

Let's all say it together....shall we?

It's time to call it like you see it!!

[Swordslinger]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-1...sh-leader_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-19-jewish-leader_x.htm)

Here is another article about this "leader in tolerance". Pay carefull attention those of you who think this fellow follows the Old Testament. Think again.

[TPW]

This is the first time I ever came on this thread and just wanted to express my 2 cents worth.
I always try to stay away from religious and political discussions. First of all, I don't know much about either to be a critic, and the discussions never seem to accomplish anything except get people angry.
One observation I have made over the years however, are people that I know who claim to be "Born Again". They have changed emensely, and I'm not so sure for the good? They have emersed themselves so deeply in their beliefs, that they have become fanatics! They denounce other religions, have become very arguementive, are paranoid, and some even claim to be able to speak in "tongues". They have gone overboard, in my opinion.
It scares me to see them like that and it forces me to avoid them for fear of getting into some religious arguement that will go nowhere. Every other word out of their mouth is "Praise the Lord" coupled with a wave of the arm as though they were blessing a flock. They constantly try to get me to becomming Born Again, but I respectfully say no thankyou.
I think I'll just stick to being a plain old Roman Catholic.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by TPW@Nov 20 2005, 09:24 PM
They have emersed themselves so deeply in their beliefs, that they have become fanatics! They denounce other religions, have become very arguementive, are paranoid
You see, you just described Abe Foxman and this other joker. But, if you said anything about them you would be called "anti-semitic". Im just calling a hypocrit a hypocrit. For the ADL to claim to be leaders in religious tolerance, and deliver this kind of message is showing their true colors.

It's an old communist tactic....call your enemy what you are. Easy for some to see, very difficult for others. That's why Im pointing it out. :)

[TPW]

I don't know who Abe Foxman is, nor do I know what his, or his friends beliefs are. That is their business and not mine.
My previous post is merely my own observations of people I have known for years, and how being "Born Again" has changed them for what I think is very troubleing.
For what it's worth, other people within our circle of friends since childhood, feel the same way I do. To be honest, it's scary to see what "Born Again" has done to them.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by TPW@Nov 20 2005, 10:40 PM
I don't know who Abe Foxman is, nor do I know what his, or his friends beliefs are. That is their business and not mine.

Well if they taught in thier "holy" book that you were sub-human, called you cattle, and taught it was ok to abuse you and your children, taught all other sorts of perversions against you, AND TAUGHT that even the best of your kind should be killed, and they were tied to the nations largest law enforcment, and help to shape laws, court decisions, and help to get their bills pased though both houses of congress and made into laws.....then would you care? Would it be your "business"?

I bet if the above applied to Muslims, you would.

As a Roman Catholic, surley you do not believe your religion is so insignificant that it doesnt even matter, do you? You have the exact SAME commision given to you as these so called "Born Agains" that you keep referring to.



Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


You and I may have the same opinion on the ones you call "Born Again", how would I know since your useing a PC media taught buzz word? I would bet the folks I call "churchianity" that you and I would share the same opinions. I just dont know since you used that "Born Again" phrase. You should clarify. I also reffer to some of these folks as "Mug-Womps" because they sit on the fence with thier Mug on one side, and thier Womp on the other. In the Kingdom of Christ, the fence is topped with razor blades and your either on one side or the other, no middle of the roaders. I can give Scriptural refferences if nessesary.

[TPW]

I can give Scriptural refferences if nessesary.

Not necessary.
I know where I stand and how to deal with subversives who preach doom and gloom.

As I stated in my previous post......

I always try to stay away from religious and political discussions. First of all, I don't know much about either to be a critic, and the discussions never seem to accomplish anything except get people angry.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by TPW@Nov 21 2005, 12:20 AM
I know where I stand and how to deal with subversives who preach doom and gloom.



How do you deal with these "subversives who preach doom and gloom"?

[TPW]

Appropriately......................

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by TPW@Nov 21 2005, 08:45 PM
Appropriately......................
???????????????? <_< Say what you want to say. You wont hurt my feelins. "Deal" with me. :lol: I'm curious. Do you provide facts to prove them wrong, or just call them dirty little names like "subversives"?? Do you try to convert them to Roman Catholicism, do you try to help them see the light? Do you pray for them? Or what?

You claim Roman Catholicism, right? I believe Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christian as well, am I right? Since Christ said you must be born of the water and the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, does that not make Catholics "Born Again". In 180 AD, Irenaeus said; "We are spiritually regenerated as new born babes, just as the Lord has declared, "Unless a man is born of the water and the Spirit, he will not enter the Kindom of heaven."He was speaking of John 3:3-5
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God....Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
In 250 AD Cyprian said that;
"The new man is born again and restored to his God by grace"

In 256 AD, Firmilian said;
" The second birth, which occurs in baptism begets sons of God"

I can give you more quotes from the early church fathers like Justin Martyr,Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Hyppolytus, Barnabus, Ignatius, Hermus,Methodius, Victorinus The Apostle Paul, Peter, John and many more. These are the men that sudied at the feet of the men that studied at the feet of Christ himself, but the words of Christ should be enough for any Christian, Protestant and Catholic alike.





Im not trying to pick a fight, its just that I have NO PROBLEM stating what I believe, and providing Scripture, and other proofs to explain why, ( and rarley open my mouth on such matters unless I am prepared to defend them) I guess I just expect the same from others. Is that asking too much? :)

[TPW]

Do you pray for them?

Yes

Since Christ said you must be born of the water and the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, does that not make Catholics "Born Again".

I really could not say. As I stated in my first post, I'm not knowledgeable enough to discuss the particulars of religion.
Nor do I wish to discuss the topic any further. It was never my intention to carry on a dialogue about religion.
Good day.

[Swordslinger]

ok.