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Swordslinger
08-27-2005, 21:12
Are Christians Commanded Bear Arms? (New American Standard Version)

Luke 22:36 “And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.”

Luke 11:21 “21"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.”

Are Christians commanded to bear arms? It is clear from the passages above, is it not? Christ commanded His Apostles to, “sell his coat and buy one”. I have heard many in judeo-Christiandom say, “He was speaking of the sword of the Word of God mentioned in Ephesians. But does that reconcile with the above scriptures? Was it the sword of the Word that Peter used to slice of the ear of the guard? Of coarse not, it was a razor sharp sword, and he knew how to use it. In fact, I believe that he was swinging for the guard’s neck to lop off his head and the guard just barley got himself out of the way!!

About the sword that Christ The King commanded His men to obtain, was it not just the same as all of the swords carried by Caesar’s soldiers? Or was it simple “Saturday Night Special” sword that had been neutered for use by the populace? No!! It was the nearest thing to a rifle or a handgun of today. It could be carried on the waist, rapidly drawn from its scabbard, and used for personal defense or deadly offensive purposes. It was a lethal weapon that was equivalent a pistol, rifle and yes, EVEN AN ASSAULT RIFLE. When you carried a sword your were as well armed as Caesar’s boys.

Some may contend that this was a commandment only for the Apostles. Yet, the Word of God says that Christ told them to teach us, “to observe ALL that I have commanded you.” Yes, commanded!! Why? Here is one reason. 1st Timothy 5:8 says: “But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” How is a Christian man to provide for his wife and family if he disobeys Christ’s command to buy a modern day equivalent to a sword? Depend on the police? I think we all realize that they are only there to take a report, after the crime has been commited.

We are told in the New Testament that we should learn and instruct from the teaching of the Old Testament. (Romans 15:4) We can read in 1st Samuel 13:19-22 that the Phillistines had a unique way of oppressing our forefathers. It was called SWORD CONTROL. “There is nothing new under the sun”, is there?
Prayer:
Heavenly Father, I have failed in teaching the truth to the brethren concerning your command to be armed. Father, awaken Your people that they may “provide” for their own, and their posterity, and their posterities future. To leave in this nation, an inheritance for our children, and their children, as we are comanded in Proverbs 13:22, "A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children:.."
In Jesus Christ’s Name, Amen.

Swordslinger
08-27-2005, 21:32
Replies welcome! :)

tinman
08-28-2005, 11:04
This reminds me of an article found on "gunblast.com" written by Jeff Quinn entitled "Christians Packing Guns". Although I dont agee with all his product evaluations, he really did stick his neck out concerning his faith and his guns. This is a timely message that needs to spread as the "Guns are the devil" lie seems to be spreading through many christian circles. Apparently the distortion of the truth in events such as Waco Texas or Ruby Ridge, has labeled Christians with guns as nut-cases. Even the NRA has become despised by many mis-informed Christian believers.

tri70
08-28-2005, 21:35
I agree with the Sword man, there are those who will not be saved but destoyed by those who have to use a sword or gun in self protection. Killing of people was commanded by God but murder is the sin!!

-tri :usa:

IVM
09-03-2005, 17:05
Are Christians commanded to bare arms?

I'm not sure if there are any specific biblical passages requiring a man to roll up his sleeves or not, but from what you point out they are to BEAR arms. ;)

Swordslinger
09-03-2005, 17:32
Originally posted by IVM@Sep 3 2005, 11:05 PM
Are Christians commanded to bare arms?

I'm not sure if there are any specific biblical passages requiring a man to roll up his sleeves or not, but from what you point out they are to BEAR arms. ;)
Thankyee!!! I caint speal too gud. :lol: :lol: wood yu mynd luukin it ovr agien too sea if i misspealed anie othr wurds?

IVM
09-03-2005, 19:32
No other egregious spelling errors.

Though I swear I'm going to look for Biblical passages suggesting people to roll up their shirtsleeves just as a bit of humor. ;)

Swordslinger
09-03-2005, 20:13
Originally posted by IVM@Sep 4 2005, 01:32 AM
No other egregious spelling errors.

Though I swear I'm going to look for Biblical passages suggesting people to roll up their shirtsleeves just as a bit of humor. ;)
I'm purrty sure its in there.

stooxie
09-05-2005, 19:01
Can someone comment on this?

http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kjv-bibl...word-Verse.html (http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kjv-bible-corrections/The-Sword-Verse.html)

I can't figure out if it's for or against.

-Stooxie

Dorkface
09-05-2005, 20:23
I think of it like this. If there are legions of arch-angels in heaven to fight hell spawn that attack the kingdom of heaven as well as on earth why would the Lord not want us to defend ourselves.

There are people on this earth who walk with the Lord and there are people who walk with satan. Now if satan commands his spawn to attack the kingdom of heaven he would do the same with his followers on earth. It only makes sence that the Lord would want his children on earth to defend themseleves as well.

Defeating evil is never a bad thing. :samurai: back in the day :ar15: today.

Swordslinger
09-05-2005, 21:26
Originally posted by Dorkface@Sep 6 2005, 02:23 AM
I think of it like this. If there are legions of arch-angels in heaven to fight hell spawn that attack the kingdom of heaven as well as on earth why would the Lord not want us to defend ourselves.

There are people on this earth who walk with the Lord and there are people who walk with satan. Now if satan commands his spawn to attack the kingdom of heaven he would do the same with his followers on earth. It only makes sence that the Lord would want his children on earth to defend themseleves as well.

Defeating evil is never a bad thing. :samurai: back in the day :ar15: today.
What you say is Scriptural Dork. ;) There are "children of the devil" among us.

John 8:44* Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And sons of God.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts,

Dorkface
09-05-2005, 22:13
Originally posted by Swordslinger@Sep 5 2005, 09:26 PM
What you say is Scriptural Dork. ;) There are "children of the devil" among us.

whoa. must be that writing in the heart thing. :usa:

Swordslinger
09-06-2005, 09:02
Jerimiah31:33 "..... I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Hebrews 8:10 ..... I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Both of these verses are speaking to Israel. Many do not realise that the Ten Northern Tribes who were scattered abroad, went to the "north and to the west" just as the Scriptures say. They ended up in Europe and then came to the North Armerican Continent. They called them selves "A vine out of Egypt", "Children of Abraham", "A wandering band of Jacobites" etc.... These were the Pilgrims and the Puritans, and they knew who they were. When George Washington died, John Adams wrote, "today a great man hath fallen among Israel". They knew. Thomas Jefferson wrote of one of George Washington's speeches, "A man speaking to whom all the eyes of Israel were upon". This is not a new thing, but it has been suppressed. But many are waking up to who they are. Its about time too. The New Covenant was made with them.

Hebrews 8:8 ... he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


Jeramiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: