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Take a look at the similarity and differences between the Quran and the Holy Bible. It is clear that the teachings of Christ are about peace, and that the teachings of Muhammad are of war. This is the book that the LIBERAL AMERICANS want us to respect in our war on terrorist Islam? This is the religion that muslims claim is a religion of peace? This is not a small minority belief of Islam. This is straight from the Quran -- The book of Surah -- the essence of the Quran.
See the above link for more passages, references, and the complete Surah.
Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
War is ordained by Allah.
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence.
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway.
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire.
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you.
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers.
Allah sends some people astray
Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell.
Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to
Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved.
The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway.
Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself.
It's okay for believers to own slaves
Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers.
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?
Never help disbelievers.
Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him.
It's OK to own slaves.
Allah does not love disbelievers
Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom.
Allah sends whoever he wants astray.
If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone
Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire.
Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved."
Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded.
Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind.
If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom.
But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty.
Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom.
On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters).
Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy.
Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer.
Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies.
Allah loves those who fight for him.
A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly
Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing.
Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them.
Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones
Several of your quotes in your post are wrong and disproved by your own link you provided. You included some of the annotations from the person's website rather than the actual text.
The first, for example:
6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
This does not mean "Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. "
That's a ridiculous translation. That's like me saying that Ezekiel saw aliens, because that's what the Bible actually translates to.
It quite clearly says, "Whether or not you warn them, disbelievers believe not. Allah will make them suffer an awful doom."
I think Hell is a pretty awful doom. It doesn't say anything here about killing.
You may want to read the links fully before you go reposting other people's posts. To do any less would be worse than the Media of repeaters instead of reporters. :)
Also, there is no "Book of Surah".
A surah is a chapter. There are many surahs in the quran.
Here is a link from the page you linked two that has the actual translations, with annotated notes on the side (many poor annotations, I may add)
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/qura.../2/index.html#6 (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/2/index.html#6)
Several of your quotes in your post are wrong and disproved by your own link you provided. those are not my quotes... they came from the link i put up... DUH!!
yes i read the link that these passages refer to... it is the english translation of the quran.... which i have been told is a watered down version of its original language which is even more vile and hateful. the passages i pasted are paraphrases of corresponding verses in the quran. the link i provided gives the references. i copied and pasted straight from the link i provided... you got a problem with it, take it up with them. You agree with the quran, that's your problem.
Why the left wants us to respect this book and simultaneously remove christianity from our country while trying to defeat terrorism i can only wonder. but I think it is because they are evil and they know not what they do. Christianity is about peace. islam is about war.
I think the quran speaks for itself.... it is a false doctrine of hate, war, and deceit for and death to all Christians and Jews -- actually all of the world except for muslims. It's obvious from the book who the author is... the author of all lies - satan. That is the god they worship -- that's who their allah is. If you think the religion is about peace, then poor foolish you.
why am i not surprised that you would be jumping to defend it?
I'm not defending anything other than the truth.
The truth is, the list of "passages translated" from the Quran that you posted are not translations from the Quran. They are a combination of translations from the Quran along with personal annotations from somebody who put it up on the web in the first place.
This is misleading.
To mislead people into believing what you want them to believe is a mistruth, also known as a lie.
I was not raised to lie- I was raised to tell the truth, and as such I do. And when I see somebody lying, I do my best in as non-threatening a manner to correct those lies.
Until you have read the Quran in its entirety, you cannot say that you know it is full of hate. Until you have personally read the translation, you have no authority to speak on it. Once you have read it, then you can post your opinion, but to say that it is full of hatred and it is full of war is a mistruth. You do not know, because you did not even read it.
I've read it, and there are parts I consider to be questionable, just like there are many parts of the Bible I consider questionable- there are just as many "Hah. I am God and you all suck so I'm going to punish you for simply existing" passages in the Bible as there are in the Quran.
I don't believe in it nor do I defend it- to me it is simply just another piece of theological literature which corroborates monotheistic religions that spawned from the middle east, along with the Holy Bible and the Torah. It's just another religious book that says to me, "Yup, there is a God."
A true believer wouldn't worry about whether or not the Quran says "evil" things. After all, everything that happens is in God's plan, from the smallest breeze to the worst tragedy. It would behoove you to sit and say, "Those poor people who believe something misguided" rather than to spout hatred and lies of something you don't even understand.
The truth is, the list of "passages translated" from the Quran that you posted are not translations from the Quran. They are a combination of translations from the Quran along with personal annotations from somebody who put it up on the web in the first place.
IVM, get real! Those ARE translated passages from the quran... translated by the website... the website that I posted for anybody to visit to further their conclusion. notice I put the link to the website at the top of the post so all may go there first and read. You can read those passages from the website, and you can follow the links next to each passage and see where the passage is drawn from in the english version of the Quran. I did not take any liberty of translating anything myself, as I said, I copied all of it straight from the website. I quoted my source first and did not change a thing! If you have a problem with these passages, YOU TAKE IT UP WITH THE THEM AND DON'T CALL ME A LIAR!
I looked at the corresponding english text to see if these passages were accurate, and I believe they are. The quran is quite different than the Bible, in that it ordains lying to non-muslims, killing non-muslims, and waging war on non-muslims... as well as slavery, disownment of family, and the abuse of women, to just name a few. This is completely different than the teachings of Christ, and even the teachings of the old testament.
and as far as this goes....
Until you have read the Quran in its entirety, you cannot say that you know it is full of hate. Until you have personally read the translation, you have no authority to speak on it. Once you have read it, then you can post your opinion, but to say that it is full of hatred and it is full of war is a mistruth. You do not know, because you did not even read it
I have read the quran... I have read the english version that this wesite hyperlinks it's references to.... that is totally enough for me to realize what I knew all along.... compared to the God of Christians and Jews, their allah is a vile deceiver that ordains lies and war and I know exactly who that is disguising himself as an allah! I don't need to read the entire quran to know that what I already read is in there, is offensive, and marks the work of the great deceiver. The entire Quran is not going to change the meaning of the words I already read. Even if the end of the Quran states, "Oh, by the way, this book is not to be taken seriously!" Which I doubt it will say. get real IVM!!! and If you think I am not fair in talking about the Quran because I have only read translated parts of it, then by your own words, you have no right to speak on the Quran because you haven't read the original writings. Am I right? have you read the original arabic text? because if you haven't then all you know is what someone else translated. maybe they are lying to you!!! Actually they probably are, and you have no right to defend the Quran because you don't know how hateful it really is!! I have been told, by a former arabic muslim, that the english translation is different in that some of the hatred has been "watered" down so that the western world will accept it easier. And by the words in the english version that ordain muslims to lie to non-muslims, I am not surprised at all! So, unless you understand Arabic and have read the full arabic version of the Quran, then by your logic, you are no more an authority on the manner than I am! BUT, since I already read the words of hate in translated parts of the quran, I need no further convincing that the quran ordains lies, hate, and war towards non-muslims. I don't need to be an arabic muslim authority on the peacful parts of the quran to know that it is in direct opposition to the Word of God which rebukes lies and hate and teaches love, peace, and compassion to JEWS AND GENTILES -- all minkind, whether they believe or not -- without contradicting these teachings, which the quran obviously does! The quran is a twisted version of the bible..... twisted by arabs to make them stand up and kill jews and christians.
If you would really and honestly like to know the difference between Islam and Christianity, I suggest you get to know the wisdom of Ravi Zacharias and start by reading his book, Jesus Among Other Gods.
"There is no Christian apologist in the same league with profound understanding of both Eastern and Western thought as Ravi Zacharias. Ravi graciously but firmly attacks the current pluralism about faiths and subjective attitudes to truth. It is an evaluation of the uniqueness of Jesus in contrast to the leaders of Buddhism, Islam, and hinduism, and is powerful reading for the Christian and agnostic alike." -- Dr. Michael Green
finally, I doubt you have completely read the bible beginning to end. If you had, you would know that Allah and Jehovah are not the same and that the teachings in the bible and the quran are not the same. if you have read both and still don't see that difference, then you are easlily deceived. I actually pity you and pray that your eyes might be opened to some truth, because so far in your discussions in this subforum, you have been quick to call the bible full of lies and quick to defend the quran as not full of lies. that is really sad because you are wrong in both cases.
I think you may need a lesson in reasoning and understanding what people say. It is apparent that you have a distinct lack of ability to read somebody's words and understand them.
First of all, calm down. It's the Internet. It's a debate. There is no need to get heated. Really, if this is getting you heated you might want to log off of the 'net for a few days and relax, because it's not worth getting worked up over somebody else's thoughts that you supposedly don't even care about on the other side of the country. :)
Secondly, not once anywhere did I say or claim to be an expert on the Quran. You misinterpret what I wrote. I did not say you did not have the authority to speak on the Quran because you did not read the original Arabic. I said you did not have authority to speak on it because the apparent ignorance in what you posted suggests you have not read the Quran in its entirety, period.
Your attempt at logic here is circular. Please try again. :)
I realize you did not write those "translations" that you posted. But you are posting them, and the information is deceitful/misleading and incorrect. Thus, you are lying. Even if it is simply copy-pasted, you are saying that this is what it says. But it is not what it says. In fact, the link at the top of the post you provided clearly points out that this is not what it says, as I pointed out in my first post where I took what you had posted and compared it to the SAME PAGE it came from to the ACTUAL PASSAGE.
Anyone who posts blatant misinformation that is deceptive, I will call them out on it. Period.
In addition, I never said that the Quran and the Bible say the same thing. All I said is that it was simply further support of the idea that there is a God, that's all. Words are words, thoughts are thoughts, but they have to come from somewhere, and when three different religiions base themselves off of the same basic concept of a single God, then I guess there must be one. Understand better, or should I attempt to transliterate even more what I'm saying? :)
I too have read the Koran..... and trust me..... the so called "Allah" is not the same "God" of Christianity or Judism......
As long as Islam exsists there will never ever be world peace.... or even regional peace.... this is a relgion that is based on warfare and world domination.... there is no such thing as a moderate muslim.....
Also, as far as the Web-Sites translation, remember one of the basic tenants of Islam is that it is impossible for the Koran to be mis-translated! That alone should tell you how crazy this relgion is!
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/index.ph...b65e68d4a8d5cba (http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/index.php?sid=144553377e5efd969b65e68d4a8d5cba)
This is the address to the Faith Freedoms Forum. Trend lightly on this one! There are folks there that are not nice.....
Originally posted by Tunug@Jun 14 2005, 01:11 PM
Take a look at the similarity and differences between the Quran and the Holy Bible. It is clear that the teachings of Christ are about peace, and that the teachings of Muhammad are of war. This is the book that the LIBERAL AMERICANS want us to respect in our war on terrorist Islam? This is the religion that muslims claim is a religion of peace? This is not a small minority belief of Islam. This is straight from the Quran -- The book of Surah -- the essence of the Quran.
Tunug,
Clearly you're a faithful guy, and I think we can all respect that. And,
by the way, I don't necessarily even disagree with your assessment.
At some point, though, you have to recognize that any kind of religious
****ing contest is just that.
There is no "absolute" when it comes to faith. That's an oxymoron. By
definition, you believe because you have faith. No one can prove or
disprove the religion, you either believe or you don't.
So, you believe in your text, they believe in theirs. It's pointless to say that
your religion is right and theirs is wrong. You think you're god will win,
they think their god will win. You think your book is the word of God, they
think theirs is. You figure "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out", so do they.
Now, if the people decide that the followers of a particular
religion are nuts and are becomming violent then they should all agree
to commit genocide and get rid of them. But, call a duck a duck. Just
say it, we outta kill em all and let all the gods sort em out, no?
You think it takes a liberal american to have the decency not to take
a **** on someone else's property?
Dude, you should have the decency and respect to treat this issue like
you would hunt a deer: By all rights you intend to take that animal's
life BUT you have the decency to do it quickly and without undue pain.
If you feel that the muslims, or whatever the hell, need to be dispatched
than you should recognize that they are fellow human beings and do it
quickly, efficiently and without drama.
The thinking person takes no joy in the job of war.
That's my take :usa:
-Stooxie
Dude, you should have the decency and respect to treat this issue like
you would hunt a deer: By all rights you intend to take that animal's
life BUT you have the decency to do it quickly and without undue pain.
If you feel that the muslims, or whatever the hell, need to be dispatched
than you should recognize that they are fellow human beings and do it
quickly, efficiently and without drama.
I don't know why you changed the topic. Did I say anything about killing muslims?
My post is in effort to make people realize the the religion of islam is nothing better than a destructive evil cult. I'm talking about a religion that you demand christians and jews should respect. your opinion is to rid of people by genocide! good goin! here's your words:
Now, if the people decide that the followers of a particular
religion are nuts and are becomming violent then they should all agree
to commit genocide and get rid of them. But, call a duck a duck. Just
say it, we outta kill em all and let all the gods sort em out, no?
so did ya read any of that quran? do you actually know enough about these two religions to be goin on about it like an expert? did ya know it is a commandment of the religion to lie to , cheat, steal from, and kill christians and jews or any non-muslim, and if they die doing so, they will be rewarded with much virgin sex in "heaven"? the quran commands the followers to not question the quran or "allah" and islam represses education, represses women, and encourages owning "infidel" slaves. Why the heck would any non-muslim go for any of that unless they agree with the getting rid of christians and jews?
what religion do you follow?
Originally posted by Tunug@Aug 20 2005, 11:23 AM
I don't know why you changed the topic. Did I say anything about killing muslims?
My post is in effort to make people realize the the religion of islam is nothing better than a destructive evil cult. I'm talking about a religion that you demand christians and jews should respect. your opinion is to rid of people by genocide! good goin! here's your words:
Now, if the people decide that the followers of a particular
religion are nuts and are becomming violent then they should all agree
to commit genocide and get rid of them. But, call a duck a duck. Just
say it, we outta kill em all and let all the gods sort em out, no?
so did ya read any of that quran? do you actually know enough about these two religions to be goin on about it like an expert? did ya know it is a commandment of the religion to lie to , cheat, steal from, and kill christians and jews or any non-muslim, and if they die doing so, they will be rewarded with much virgin sex in "heaven"? the quran commands the followers to not question the quran or "allah" and islam represses education, represses women, and encourages owning "infidel" slaves. Why the heck would any non-muslim go for any of that unless they agree with the getting rid of christians and jews?
what religion do you follow?
I follow a religion that doesn't try to force it's views on everyone else: Judaism.
As for everything else, all I am trying to point out to you is that, regardless of what the
Quran says, it's still one religion against the other. I'm just asking that instead of thinking
that any god is on your side, and feeling that the killing is justified, bring it to a more
concrete reality. One group says another is nuts and determines it should be eradicated.
I'm just tired of EITHER side thinking they are right because of what an ancient text
says. I don't need to read any of them to see the actions of there people. The actual
text is totally irrelevant. I'm sure you read the same bible that the conquistadors
and crusaders read before they killed millions. Yet, you'll tell me that your text
speaks only of peace and love. I guess it's all in the translation. The same goes
for the millions of muslims that believe that their text speaks of peace and love
while others find only messages of death.
Go figure. Looks like both texts can be translated however you like.
By real point is this: take away the religion and you take the wind out of the
sails.
I'm not saying don't be faithful, just stop hiding behind religion. If you want to
kill a pile of people that you don't agree with, have the balls to call a duck a duck.
Idealogically approved genocide.
-Stooxie
Originally posted by Tunug@Aug 20 2005, 11:23 AM
so did ya read any of that quran? do you actually know enough about these two religions to be goin on about it like an expert?
BTW, nothing I said even remotely suggests I know anything about either religion. I am
simply pointing out facets of human behavior, something I do figure I know something
about.
Take it easy, Tunug, we're just talking here.
-Stooxie
The actual
text is totally irrelevant
This alone tells me that you haven't read any of the Koran. And as a Jew you really.... really..... really.... should read it!
There is nothing peaceful about the Koran! And while you may defend them they want you dead! If you read the Koran you will find that there is no such thing as a moderate or liberal muslim.... any one that thinks they are such is not a muslim, and will be the first to be killed by the true followers of the faith. Right after them will come the Jews, the Pagans, and finally the Christians..... unless of course you agree to convert to Islam. And don't point out the so called peaceful muslims living in foreign countries. If you read the Koran and watch and study world history the Battle Plan is to move in bred like crazy until there are enough of you (muslims) to rise up and strike off the infidels head..... and take over! It has happened over and over again and in some ways the Crusades (and later world wars) simply drove back and killed off sufficent numbers to slow down the spread of Islam.
I'm really sick of people saying that there's violence in the Bible as well as the Koran..... the Bible has a great deal of violence (most in the Old Testament or Torah) but it is ALL past tense, whereas the violence in the Koran is past, present & future tense! This is a none too subtle difference!
Originally posted by scout@Aug 20 2005, 04:57 PM
The actual
text is totally irrelevant
This alone tells me that you haven't read any of the Koran. And as a Jew you really.... really..... really.... should read it!
There is nothing peaceful about the Koran! And while you may defend them they want you dead! If you read the Koran you will find that there is no such thing as a moderate or liberal muslim.... any one that thinks they are such is not a muslim, and will be the first to be killed by the true followers of the faith. Right after them will come the Jews, the Pagans, and finally the Christians..... unless of course you agree to convert to Islam. And don't point out the so called peaceful muslims living in foreign countries. If you read the Koran and watch and study world history the Battle Plan is to move in bred like crazy until there are enough of you (muslims) to rise up and strike off the infidels head..... and take over! It has happened over and over again and in some ways the Crusades (and later world wars) simply drove back and killed off sufficent numbers to slow down the spread of Islam.
I'm really sick of people saying that there's violence in the Bible as well as the Koran..... the Bible has a great deal of violence (most in the Old Testament or Torah) but it is ALL past tense, whereas the violence in the Koran is past, present & future tense! This is a none too subtle difference!
Scout,
I am NOT disagreeing with you on the Quran/Koran/whatever being a text that
perscribes violence in the modern sense.
I'm just asking that we not make the comparison between it and the bible (old or
new testament) because it legitimizes this as a holy war. I'd rather say we're
there because they are voilent and killing people and they need to be stopped.
But then, we need to recognize it for that and NOT feel better about it because
of any religious feelings.
-Stooxie
Originally posted by scout@Aug 20 2005, 04:57 PM
I'm really sick of people saying that there's violence in the Bible as well as the Koran..... the Bible has a great deal of violence (most in the Old Testament or Torah) but it is ALL past tense, whereas the violence in the Koran is past, present & future tense! This is a none too subtle difference!
My point was only that it seems to all be open to interpretation. Again, what translation did
the conquistadors, witch hunters and crusaders use between 1100 and 1700?
-Stooxie
2rangers
08-21-2005, 08:32
My opinion(and I'm not a religious 'authority'), is to treat others as you would like to be treated. I have no qualms w/ any religious sect, as long as they let me be to practice what I believe. That being said, if someone tries to harm me, my family, or my nation because of some 'jihad', or other abstract reason, they will (and should), face the wrath of me and my countrymen.
There are legitimate reasons to take anothers life. A religious war is not one. I would of thought we learned that from the crusades, the inquisition, the moorish invasion of europe, the 2nd world war, the serbian/bosnian war,... ad nauseum.
To defend oneself or nation from just such an attack is legitimate, and should be vigorously prosecuted.
Just my .02$ :sniper:
Originally posted by 2rangers@Aug 21 2005, 06:32 AM
My opinion(and I'm not a religious 'authority'), is to treat others as you would like to be treated. I have no qualms w/ any religious sect, as long as they let me be to practice what I believe. That being said, if someone tries to harm me, my family, or my nation because of some 'jihad', or other abstract reason, they will (and should), face the wrath of me and my countrymen.
There are legitimate reasons to take anothers life. A religious war is not one. I would of thought we learned that from the crusades, the inquisition, the moorish invasion of europe, the 2nd world war, the serbian/bosnian war,... ad nauseum.
To defend oneself or nation from just such an attack is legitimate, and should be vigorously prosecuted.
Just my .02$ :sniper:
Exactly what I was trying to say, but you definitely did a better job of it!
:beer:
-Stooxie
2rangers
08-21-2005, 08:43
It's good to know I'm in good company! ;) :sniper:
Originally posted by stooxie+Aug 21 2005, 06:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stooxie @ Aug 21 2005, 06:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-scout@Aug 20 2005, 04:57 PM
I'm really sick of people saying that there's violence in the Bible as well as the Koran..... the Bible has a great deal of violence (most in the Old Testament or Torah) but it is ALL past tense, whereas the violence in the Koran is past, present & future tense! This is a none too subtle difference!
My point was only that it seems to all be open to interpretation. Again, what translation did
the conquistadors, witch hunters and crusaders use between 1100 and 1700?
-Stooxie [/b][/quote]
Precisely the point.
Thanks. :)
If you want to know why the Koran is in past, present & future tense, it's simple.
Arabic doesn't have a "future tense" the way English does. The only way to express future tense is to either use an adverbial of time (modify it with something signifiying a time frame in which it will occur, like 'bob goes to the store, next week') or express it as a will (Mary will use the computer), which can be taken many different ways when translated into English.
the quran was written after Jesus (whom they consider a prophet) preached peace. the quran commands absolute conversion to islam or death, nullifying the teachings of Christ. These commands came AFTER the bible was complete, so past present and future tense problems in the arabic language are irrelevent. It is clear that the conversion or death command is for the present days by the obvious time it was written and by the way it is being carried out.
Let me ask you all this.... If a so called "christian" claimed he was a prophet and established a new religion with a doctrine in text commanding his followers to kill all those who opposed his own version of christianity and then began to act out these commandments through his followers by killing judges, activists, and the media who suppress christianity, should we repect that religion? Sure we would put these people in jail! But would we turn around and expect that this religion should be respected and allowed to grow? allowed to grow to have followers in the millions? allowed to wipe out all other religions? Allowed to destroy freedom? Well that's exactly what people are doing by claiming that islam should be respected as a credible and peaceful religion, and they will not even take the time to actually look into this religion and see if it is evil! Deceived you people are!!! What if Charles Manson's cult drew millions of followers? Would you then say, "well it's obvious that it is a good religion because millions follow it!" Do you people really think it is impossible for millions to become deceived?
Again, to those who are to lazy to read the quran but like to talk about religion (specifically islam) as if they are an expert, islam commands that basic moral laws be broken -- lie, cheat, steal, and kill are among the commandments given to muslims to commit against any non-muslim. It's insane that the world would like to be blind to this fact! but it is to be expected that the world would only attack the one faith that actually has the power to bring a just end to all other religions in the end. the one faith that is the Truth and is the only Faith that follows the only true Creator -- God, Jesus Christ, and that faith is Christianity... it is not a man made religion... it is the Way, designed by God.
I suggest that if anybody wants to argue that islam is no worse than any other religion, they actually READ and understand the regions texts before they form an opinion and attempt to make any kind of credible argument supporting islam.
its the same old thing in this forum... people want to come in and attack christianity through one side of their mouth and support islam through the other side of their mouth, but they have not done their homework and even tried to form an understanding of what these religions actually teach.
Professing to be wise, they become fools.
And, I don't have to argue or convince anybody!!! because in the end EVERYONE will know the Truth and will be rewarded for their faith or destroyed for their rebellion. It is not the duty of any man to bring about this end (as islam falsely teaches). It will be the all powerful and just God who will reward His faithful and destroy all those who have rejected Him. You may think I am wasting my time... but I'm not! I am simply warning my fellow brothers around the world. OPEN YOUR EYES!!! I'd rather not see so many of you blow it! So get out your books and read! what have you to lose?
Swordslinger
08-27-2005, 14:05
That deserves a BIG, DEEP, Manly MAN, Testosterone Filled, AMEN!!!!
Tunug,
Well Said! God Bless!
Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go f**K himself.HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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