2rangers - CO-CHAMPION

[2rangers]

Guys and Gals-
Just got back from the range. Shot my mini w/ the barrel tensioner. I was very pleased w/ the performance. Here are some pics- Had to post twice because the target is a large one. :sniper:

[2rangers]

Here's the second pic.

[rutro]

Hey 2rangers those are some great groups!!! How far were you shooting, 100yds? Also I guess I've missed out, what barrel tensioner are you useing? If you were at the 100yd. bench you should have been useing the contest target and dialed in on one load, you would be in 1st place.

[cajungeo]

ooooh, I like seeing those nice, tight, round, little, groups :D . So are you going to enter the shooting contest and show the rest of us up?

[2rangers]

Hey all-
Here's the story. Yes. I was at the 100 yard bench. The tensioner mentioned is the one I fabricated and posted pics about in early feb. in the gallery. I was in such a rush to get to the range that after loading all my gear, guns, and stuff into the truck, and heading down the road, I FORGOT TO BRING MY TARGETS W/ ME!! I actually had to borrow the one you see here. Also, I set out 50 clay pigeons just past my target butt(maybe 110 yards total), loaded up a 30 and a 20 rounder w/ winchester 55 grn fmj's, and blasted em' all. The ranger (a friend of mine) said "impressive",and "I didn't think a mini could do that". Know what the best part was? After 50 rds of ammo in about 3 minutes, the poi shift was minimal. I think the tensioner is doing a good job of sucking heat out of the barrel. Next time I go, I will bring the official targets w/ me. Wish me luck!! :sniper:

[rutro]

Outstanding 2rangers, get those contest targets out and by all means good luck!!! I can feel a group size contest developing cause there will be more than one perfect score on this target contest!!! :beer:

[tri70]

WOW!! You gotta love a gun that shoots like that and dump 20 rds in 10 sec!! :lol:

-tri :usa:

[2rangers]

Hey all,
Just returned from the range yesterday. Shot at 100 yds per the rules. This is after mounting and zeroing the new scope I had just purchased. To say I'm pleased with the results would be an understatement. I had to stop shooting for a while, and pinch myself to see if my mini really shot that well. I looked thru the scope several times after shooting this group, just to make sure it wasn't a mirage. Bad news is, I ran out of that load of ammo before I could shoot the moa target, and my mini doesn't seem to like any of the other stuff I had w/ me. Guess it's time to head back to the reloading bench!

[fishnfst]

Dang that is a great target... I'd be happy witha bolt gun that shot like that... How do you guys determine the group size? I see you put down .021... That would be less than 1/10th of the bullet diameter but your two farthest holes seem to be at least one bullethole apart? She definitley looks like a solid .3 .4 shooter from here though.....

[mini-mizer]

Originally posted by 2rangers@May 15 2005, 05:50 AM
This is after mounting and zeroing the new scope I had just purchased.

I had to stop shooting for a while, and pinch myself to see if my mini really shot that well.


Absolutely remarkable shooting, tell us about the new scope.

It would be interesting to see how your piece does at beyond
100yds. The pinching must have given you a bruise as big as a grapefruit. ;)

Congratulations again.

MM

[2rangers]

fishnfst-
Measuring groups is not difficult. Measure from the outside to outside of the furthest holes. Then subtract the dia. of one bullet, .224". That's your center to center group size. :sniper:

[magnomark]

:lol: OUT FRIGGIN STANDING! :lol: :sniper:

[2rangers]

Originally posted by mini-mizer+May 15 2005, 06:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mini-mizer @ May 15 2005, 06:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-2rangers@May 15 2005, 05:50 AM
This is after mounting and zeroing the new scope I had just purchased.

I had to stop shooting for a while, and pinch myself to see if my mini really shot that well.


Absolutely remarkable shooting, tell us about the new scope.

It would be interesting to see how your piece does at beyond
100yds. The pinching must have given you a bruise as big as a grapefruit. ;)

Congratulations again.

MM [/b][/quote]
mini-mizer-
The new scope is a tasco varmint/target, 6-24x44 mm. It's not the best, and I've discovered that at 18x mag and higher, the sight pic. gets fuzzy, and no amount of adj. the obj. lens will clear it up. Oh well, I guess you get what you pay for, and there IS a reason why some scopes cost several hund.$, and some cost only about 100$, like this one. And thanks for the congrats!! :sniper:

[2rangers]

Originally posted by magnomark@May 15 2005, 06:45 AM
:lol: OUT FRIGGIN STANDING! :lol: :sniper:
Thanks, Magnomark!! Can't wait to reload some more of 'the recipe', and go out and assault the moa target!! :sniper:

[2rangers]

Hey guys-
Just to show you all the difference in loads as related to group size, and to show the target posting wasn't a 'ringer', here's a pic of my moa club attempt. Interesting note- All the bullets used are boat tails EXCEPT the 60 grn. Hdy. v-max. Interesting...... :sniper:

[2rangers]

Originally posted by fishnfst@May 15 2005, 06:24 AM
Dang that is a great target... I'd be happy witha bolt gun that shot like that... How do you guys determine the group size? I see you put down .021... That would be less than 1/10th of the bullet diameter but your two farthest holes seem to be at least one bullethole apart? She definitley looks like a solid .3 .4 shooter from here though.....
oops-
Should read .210, not.021. Moved the decimal point the wrong way- you are correct. :sniper:

[droopalong]

HEY 2RANGERS!!
Supper shooting with the self make tensioner.. Nice little sub 308 hole..
Good to see the tensioner work that well, I guess I missed your post but was wondering how it is installed on the barrel. Is it stuck like my Clark stabilizer (front only)or fastened by some other means.. By the way it looks better than the Clark..
Again super shooting and keep it up. For now I'm glad you ran out of ammo, only because I'd like to see steve2104's next target and the fact that i'd like to see if his mini 30 can still be first--no other reason --nothing personal at all just pulling for the 30 guys--hope you under stand.. I have one of each and I know the 14 with the Clark will shoot so my time is beeing mostly spent working on the 30 hope to some day get both to group below 1"
Who says a mini won't shoot????

Later
DD

GETRDUN

[steve4102]

Originally posted by 2rangers@May 15 2005, 06:42 AM
fishnfst-
Measuring groups is not difficult. Measure from the outside to outside of the furthest holes. Then subtract the dia. of one bullet, .224". That's your center to center group size. :sniper:
That is what I thought. That will make your groups smaller than if you measure C to C or inside to outside. Check out the MOA posts for some interesting reading on "Group Size".

Very nice shooting!!!

[cajungeo]

Originally posted by steve4102+May 15 2005, 04:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (steve4102 @ May 15 2005, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-2rangers@May 15 2005, 06:42 AM
fishnfst-
Measuring groups is not difficult. Measure from the outside to outside of the furthest holes. Then subtract the dia. of one bullet, .224". That's your center to center group size. :sniper:
That is what I thought. That will make your groups smaller than if you measure C to C or inside to outside. Check out the MOA posts for some interesting reading on "Group Size".

Very nice shooting!!! [/b][/quote]
Measuring center to center (if you really can find the center of 2 holes) should be the same as outside to outside - bullet dia if holes have been re-opened. It should also be the same as inside to outside if holes have been re-opened.

2-rangers. That group is better than most can do at 25 yds. What were you thinking? You trying to stick em all in the same hole? :lol: Your the 3rd perfect score in the scope class, but have the best group so far. Good shooting. No its great shooting. :D

[rutro]

Outstanding 2rangers!!!!! Somehow I just knew you were going to do that, something about the way the groups were comeing together on those first targets. Keep it up!!! :beer: :beer: :beer:

[tri70]

A BIG FREAKING WOW!!! nice shooting!! ;)
very nice, I'm lovin' it!! :P

-tri :usa:

[2rangers]

Hey all-
I can't thank you all enough for the kind words!! To think, getting kudos for doing something so fun!! I'm going to start loading some more as soon as I get off the 'puter. I'll tell you what- when I was dreaming up that stabilizer, I thought for sure I was going to mess things up!! The down side, it's now very finicky about ammo. Before, It would tolerate just about everything, now it has def. likes and dislikes. Oh well, I guess there's no thing as a free lunch!

Droopalong- I posted the design and build-up in the gallery. Look for a post called 'my mini and others'The pics aren't the best, but it's the best I could do.

Again, thanks again everyone, and I'll be posting the moa target just as soon as I can get to the range again!! :sniper:

[gm150gs]

Great shootin!!!!!! :) :beer: :beer:

[droopalong]

2rangers
Just read your post on the tensioner WOW!!!!!!!!! SUPER JOB!!!!!!!
I LIKE IT!!!
Was curious as to total weight of your invention for compairison to the Clark Stabilizer?? I think its listed at 20 oz.

Happy loading cause I know your shooting will be!!!!!!!!!! You should never need an umbrella!!

Later
DD

GETRDUN

[2rangers]

Originally posted by droopalong@May 17 2005, 03:37 AM
2rangers
Just read your post on the tensioner WOW!!!!!!!!! SUPER JOB!!!!!!!
I LIKE IT!!!
Was curious as to total weight of your invention for compairison to the Clark Stabilizer?? I think its listed at 20 oz.

Happy loading cause I know your shooting will be!!!!!!!!!! You should never need an umbrella!!

Later
DD

GETRDUN
Droopalong-
I didn't weigh the completed assy., But I would guess it adds about 10-15 oz.(a guess). The sleeve and the threaded brake assy. are made of 1.250"-6061T6 alum. The sleeve portion has been bored to clear the barrel, and not touch it at all. The trantorque bushing is steel, and is the densest part of the whole contraption. I would say it weighs about 3-4 oz. All in all, the rifle is still very portable(esp. for me-I'm 6'5" and 235 lbs.), although the polished finish would def. be hard to hide. I was thinking of anodizing the whole thing, but I got antsy and wanted to shoot w/ it!! :lol: I'm glad you like it. I purposely did not patent it or such, because if it makes another's mini shoot better, than I'm all for it. We were once a nation of riflemen(and women,too), and I feel we should return to such. It would be a great way to promote responsibility and honor. As such, If anyone wants to copy my design, feel free. I think I have all the critical dimensions around here somewhere, I just have to find them.

Thanks again for the kudos. :sniper:

[droopalong]

Hi 2rangers SIR
Hadn't even thought about a copy, my curosity lies in the fact that Ive read on other post about the weight of a muzzel break not mattering or words to that effect.. But the Clark I have adds 20 Oz and is attatched strictly to the front of the barrel although the weight does cover the entire barrel past the gas block the barrel is still stock length. where as your tensioner is simular in configuration but deffinatly different in weight and in attatchment methods, being part of the flash suppresser and the rear tensioner mount. I'm just curious as to why these two methods seem to work as well as they do...

Later
DD

GETRDUN

[2rangers]

Droopalong-
I was going to go w/ just 'Hanging some weight' on the muzzle. It does work, to an extent. Think of a light action fishing rod, say, for bluegill. It's nice and thin and whippy. Now shake the grip portion of the rod. You will see the tip of the rod move about a bunch, much more than the amount of movement you put into the grip. That's because it's tapered. Now tie a 1 oz. weight to the tip and do it again. It won't move as much, because it takes much more effort to move that weight. That's why pinning on a brake or hider or just a weight of some sort will cut group size. The effect I was trying to get was to stretch the barrel ever so slightly, between the trantorque and the threaded muzzle brake. When you screw on the brake the last 1/2 turn, you are jamming it against the top of the sleeve, wich in turn jams the sleeve against the trantorque. Because the trantorque is already gripping the barrel and the base of the sleeve, that force has to go somewhere, and it does-it pulls on the barrel. In effect, it lengthens it slightly. However, more importantly, it straightens it and also makes it much more resistant to flexing. Think of a hank of rope.Lying there on the floor, it's about useless. However, tie it to a tree, and tie the other end to the bumper of your car. Now drive forward and really tension the rope. the more you tension it(until it breaks, at least!!), the more tensile it becomes. In other words, you can't deflect it sideways as much by pushing on it while it's tensioned. That's exactly the effect I was looking for when I was pondering tensioner/stabilizer designs in the nooks and cranny's between my ears.

Sorry to be so long winded, I just wanted to explain where I was coming from. :sniper:

[2rangers]

Originally posted by gm150gs@May 16 2005, 07:11 PM
Great shootin!!!!!! :) :beer: :beer:
GM-
Thanks bro, I appreciate the kind words! :sniper:

[droopalong]

2rangers.
Hey, makes since to me!!!!!!!!!
Super job, Thanks for the info..
Never to old to learn!!
Me thinks reloading has a lot to do with all the great groupers, and darn, it sure makes the results that much more enjoyable..

By the by,.Good luck with the MOA target, Bet you get it done!!

Later
DD

GETRDUN

[cajungeo]

Outstanding shooting this Series 2 rangers. Not only are you Series 1 - Co-Champion, but our first MOA Club Member. Please update your signature to reflect your acomplishments.

BTW I still owe you the avatar.

[2rangers]

Thanks, Caj., and everyone else. I think I'm in good company here. :sniper:

[cajungeo]

Since you and some others are so good I just posted a shooting contest for the "Modded Barrel" Class. I figure in a couple of years I will be posting a hair for you guys to shoot at. :lol:

[2rangers]

Caj-
Very funny!!! Hey, I just read the new shooting competition rules, for all classes. You continue to make this both enjoyable, and challenging. I would just like to thank you for all your effort. I don't know if you get paid for all this time or not, but either way you and the other guys and gals do an excellent job!! :beer: :beer: .

One question, just to make sure I understand completely:
For the modded class, there are 5 target diamonds per page. There is to be one shot per diamond, Total of 5 shots per page, correct?

Man, those little diamonds are going to be hard to see!! I wonder if there is a way to mount a astronomy-type telescope to a rifle? Perhaps you can post something about this in the tips and tricks section??!!!LOL!!

Just kidding, of course. One thing, I may have gained weight since leaving the army, but I still have 20/10 vision. This target is def. "do-able". I shall try my best. :sniper:

[cajungeo]

One question, just to make sure I understand completely:
For the modded class, there are 5 target diamonds per page. There is to be one shot per diamond, Total of 5 shots per page, correct?
Correct.

Thanks for the kind words.

Yes bill pays us a 6 figure salery, company car, secretary, and use of his corporate jet. :lol: If you belive that I do have some prime swamp land to sell ya. :lol: