Acts of God

[Sniper]

In today's world of lawyers and having to be politcally correct, some of the fore-mentioned are trying to tell everyone there is no God and you can't display anything with the name or indicating His existance. My question is, if this is so then why do insurance companies and the people who write warranties, who have teams of lawyers working for them, say "Acts of God" are not covered? If the entity does not exist then how can it act?

Seems like He's only brought into the picture when it's beneficial to someone.

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[Swordslinger]

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I have thought about the same things. As far as the later part of your post, I also agree. Do you remember seeing any "After Holiday Sale"..... or "After Seasons Greetings Sale"...........or "After Happy HobaLobaBoba Sale"?? No it s was "After Christmas Sale" all across the country, especially those that bent over backwards to be politically correct be not saying "Christ" at all, but instead "Happy HobaLobaBoba" and so on. On December 26th, 2004, They all had an "After Christmas Sale".

Pinko Booger Eatin Commies. :angry: Not because they didnt recognise Christmas, cause I dont really celebrate Christmas as do most. But because they are HIPOCRITS!!!! I think we need to stop spending money during Christmas, celebrate it if you want, but stop makeing the ones FAT off Christmas when they are the very ones that SPIT when "they" hear His Name. It'd serve em right!!! We have had economic warfare used on us for years.

[Metaldoc]

Originally posted by Sniper@Jan 15 2005, 06:34 AM
My question is, if this is so then why do insurance companies and the people who write warranties, who have teams of lawyers working for them, say "Acts of God" are not covered? If the entity does not exist then how can it act?


Sniper,
Your name suits you well, you have a keen eye ! ;)

That's an excellent point.

I bet it won't be long and it will be reworded to "Acts of Nature" to cover their butts. In fact I checked some of my policies and found exemptions are taken for "Acts of War, terroism, or natural disasters of great magnitude".

Stink'n insurance companies and lawyers are sleeping together, but we are the ones that are getting sc***wd. :angry:

Metaldoc :usa:

[swill269]

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i ask this again since it got no answer before.

is an atheist's testimony acceptable/honored in court where one must swear on the bible before being seated in the witness stand. if so; why does everyone have to swear in, it becomes a mockery of truth and religious belief IMHO.
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[YourLocalNerd]

Originally posted by swill269@Jan 16 2005, 05:29 PM
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i ask this again since it got no answer before.

is an atheist's testimony acceptable/honored in court where one must swear on the bible before being seated in the witness stand. if so; why does everyone have to swear in, it becomes a mockery of truth and religious belief IMHO.
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Yes it is. I was once selected for jury duty where one other prospective juror showed his rear (and almost got sent to jail) b/c it was against his religious beliefs to "swear" to anything. In the end he had to take some sort of oath that didnt involve the Bible. I forget the term the judge used but it essentially amounted to an oath to ones self. It is reserved for those who are athiest/agnostic/or refuse to swear on the Bible.

And I agree and yet disagree with ya swill. I personally believe that it makes a mockery of us as man and not of religion. Because you and I both know that it is the man himself who is going to choose to tell the truth reguardless of whatever oath he/she took on the Bible. There was a day that "swearing on the Bible" drew fear from people and forced truths that might have not been said before, but those days are long gone. We as a nation and we overall as a the "christian church" in this nation long ago traded in the true meaning of Christian values and morals for compromise. For a "belief system" that allows us to both get what we want and live the way we want and also feel good about ourselves at the same time. This big lie and mass hypocrisy has a lot to do with why so many are turning to "atheism and agnosticism", which are both technically religions themselves. Because of the lie of "seperation of church and state" it has been made clear to past generations that God has no REAL place in ones life. Because it has been so popularized to mock the name of Jesus Christ, the name no longer holds the absolute wonder and awe it was meant to provoke in man. And the before mentioned mass hypocicy of todays so called christian church, with it's Crystal Cathedrals and midnight TV evangualists or it's downtown corner 1st baptist church whose people live 180 degrees of what they preach, the term "christian" and the name of "Christ" has been so watered down that in most circles it is a mockery of what both truly are. It is almost impossible in American society today for someone truly seeking the truth and they happen to look at the mainstream christian church to actually see, let alone comprehend and understand, what Christianity is all about.

Not quite the reply you expected I am sure ;)

---edited--- for spelling :)

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by swill269@Jan 16 2005, 10:29 PM
:o
i ask this again since it got no answer before.

is an atheist's testimony acceptable/honored in court where one must swear on the bible before being seated in the witness stand. if so; why does everyone have to swear in, it becomes a mockery of truth and religious belief IMHO.
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I personally do not think a Christian, one informed of the scriptural teachings on the matter of "oaths" should take an oath or swear on the Bible.

Since this section is set aside for "Bible banter" I leave you with the reason I think we (as Christians) should not swear on the Bible. Our courts have become a mockery of God today anyway. <_< They could do a "pinky promise" for all I care.

James 5:12
"But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation."

But then again, there was a day when a mans word meant somthin.

[swill269]

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yourlocalnerd,
no, great reply, what i wanted to hear, the truth.

i will say this again as before, you do not have to know "god" to do good by your fellow earth dwellers.

like you said "Because you and I both know that it is the man himself who is going to choose to tell the truth reguardless of whatever oath he/she took on the Bible".

which IMHO says "the truth is within all of us which know truth and which can speak it, but only if we choose." the only thing you are born with is honor and integrity through innocence. you will make decisions based on what information you have. you must have integrity to seek the truth or you will never recognize it and integrity is your first choice. "to thine ownself be true" you must know who/what you are before you can make any decision with or without integrity. are you good/evil, what are your intentions and what motivates you?

we choose to be whom we wish to be by mimicking anothers we admire. very few are willing to stand alone and not follow something or prescribe to something for fear of being persecuted by the "majority". the majority may "rule" but it does not make them "right".

i know i am a much better man, human being than 80% - 90% of all "christians" i know; if i use their bible as a guideline. i know i am better than Billy Graham because i know him and his motives and intentions. there are better humans/men right here on the PU.

if i have a religion, it is; "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." i must always be aware of those who wish to harm me. i try to avoid them rather than destroy them. they may change with time, i'm not the judge.

i had rather see you/everyone practice than preach any day. :D
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[Tunug]

HIGH FIVE, Swill!!

[YourLocalNerd]

I am grateful that you treat my post with respect, even with our differing views. And even though we do disagree I do sincerely respect your postion.

I do not often back up my points with scripture simply because I dont want those I am speaking to, in this case you Swill, to feel that I am trying to "thump you on your head" with an 80lbs Bible. But I share this only to try and help you understand my point of view. You are very correct in your statement of which IMHO says "the truth is within all of us which know truth and which can speak it, but only if we choose." the only thing you are born with is honor and integrity through innocence. but only correct in held in the light of this:

Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people"

There are other passages from scripture to back this up to one of the Christian faith, but I believe (hope may be a better term) that that makes my point, that according to Christian faith, man is born with God's law in his heart.

Take this for example. Whether it be hundreds or thousands for years ago, or some recently "undiscovered" tribe in africa, their basic laws are the same.

I can understand (although I disagree with) the belief in evolution. I know the point of instinct being evolved from one generation to the next according to what life needs to continue (given the various terrain or predators, food sources, etc) but that doesnt hold water to what the proven human general conscience. The conscience is a feeling not an instinct. But for the moment, let's just say that the conscience is an instinct. According to evolution theology, all life has the same basic instincts; those of survival. Well what about male rabbits as one example: Male rabbits will eat their own young given the chance. In human society that would be sickening to by far most if not all. Rabbits and most other species will mate with their own fathers, daughters, sons and mothers: again totally off limits to 99% + of man. I hope you see my point, b/c I could take up pages making examples. The point of that is, that even if evolution were true (and I am not at all trying for a debate in evolution vs creation, that is totally different subject. I would love to debate it with you, just in a different topic to avoid confusion) the same instincts are not common to all life forms, but it is taught as such. Back to my point; in the most basic sense, a man born in Alaska has the same set of moral values as a man born in New Zealand, until outside factors play a role in developing that man's personality. That I believe to the truth in the above portion of scripture. You are correct that the Truth is in all of us; it is a Truth given by God who created all of us.

Again Swill I have to agree with you here

we choose to be whom we wish to be by mimicking anothers we admire. very few are willing to stand alone and not follow something or prescribe to something for fear of being persecuted by the "majority". the majority may "rule" but it does not make them "right".

And a true Christian aspires only to mimick totally Christ our Savior. Which in today's society will bring A LOT of persecutionBut as both you and I have pointed out, most of those here in America who claim Christianity do not mimmick Christ (in short...they are Hypocrites).

And I will not argue with the fact that you are better than 90% or more of so called Christians. From where I stand, if I did disagree with you, that would be a wager that I stood a very good chance of loosing. As I have said before, todays christian church is a church of compromise not of Christ. There are few who truly and boldy speak the Word of God. And in man's standard you may very well be a better man then me. That would not be something I could deny. I will never deny that I follow after Christ and that I run the race, but I will also never to try to say that I am not a terrible sinner. "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God". And as far as I am concerned, I am #1 among those. Swill I dont really know you and even if I did I wouldnt condemn or judge you, but the true Christian faith is based on God's standard, not man's. No man can live up to God's standard, not me, you, or Sword ( hehehe had to drag you into this Sword :) ). Man may say that you are a very good upstanding man, better than 90% of all christians or other man, and I would believe them and respect you for it. But still, man's standard is not what we are all judged by. Swill, I am not judging you nor am I condeming you, please dont think that. Everything I say is to maybe show you my point of view, nothing more.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by YourLocalNerd@Jan 17 2005, 02:57 AM
"All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God". And as far as I am concerned, I am #1 among those.
If your #1, then I have to be at least #1 1/2. We were cleaning silver salmon, in one of the fish houses on the Military resort in Seward Alaska. There were a group of other men (also Military) across from our table wearing Christian oriented T-shirts. I read the shirt, and complemented him on it, and he said, "Are you a Christian" It took me a moment to respond...........I said, "Well....I try to be, but I sure aint very good at it." By that man asking that question at the time he did, (just cleaned 100lbs of salmon and halibut) It did me good to reflect on my shortcomings, and to confess them. Humility is good. Builds Charactor, IMO ;)