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slaphappy
03-19-2005, 20:20
Responsible citizens use condoms or birthcontrol but the Good Book doesn't allow that either.
Not to pick nits, but The Pope and The Good Book ain't the same thing.
Originally posted by slaphappy@Mar 19 2005, 07:20 PM
Responsible citizens use condoms or birthcontrol but the Good Book doesn't allow that either.
Not to pick nits, but The Pope and The Good Book ain't the same thing.
No, that's cool. I keep forgetting how segmented Christianity is and that the Pope says one thing and the bible may say something else.
Thanks for the correction.
-Stooxie
Last Gunslinger
03-20-2005, 12:12
Originally posted by Tunug@Mar 19 2005, 02:34 PM
Tounge, do you have enough money to feed 900,000 new kids a year? How about clothe, shelter, and educate them? If not, who do you think should do this?
I guess you don't know what responsible citizens do, huh?
Yes, I do. They realize that they cannot financially or emotionally, or for whatever reason, support a child, so they don't have one. They don't shuck it off on someone else, or put it in a state system that doesn't have oversight to prevent them from being abused to death (like Jeb Bush's DHR). They just terminate the pregnancy before they have a baby, per their 9th Amendment right.
And, what is a tounge?
:P <----
A tounge is the big muscle in the mouth. It is largely responsible for forming speech. Your's flaps incessantly, with not much cognitive activity in the brain that controls it, apparently.
My turn to ask a question:
What is a Tunug?
Originally posted by Last Gunslinger@Mar 20 2005, 02:12 PM
A tounge is the big muscle in the mouth. My turn to ask a question:
What is a Tunug?
Well you should try looking it up, because it is not in the dictionary. It's just another example of what is wrong with today's children. They haven't learned to read and write properly. Nor have they learned to think things through all the way and act responsibly. By the way, notice that Tunug is capitalized. It is a proper noun that doesn't require a dictionary definition.
And Stoox, you shouldn't come into a religion bbs making statements you don't actually know about. Please don't tell us what the Bible says. I doubt you've read it.
Originally posted by Tunug@Mar 20 2005, 02:11 PM
And Stoox, you shouldn't come into a religion bbs making statements you don't actually know about. Please don't tell us what the Bible says. I doubt you've read it.
:rolleyes:
Which part was I wrong about? The paradoxical and contradictory nature of religion or
or the paradoxical and contradictory nature of politics?
You're right, I haven't read the bible. I just read SwordSlinger's quotes and figure that
must be about 97% of it! ;)
-Stooxie
Neither. You were wrong about what the Bible states. And this is the reason why religions contradict the Bible. People assume the Bible states something it doesn't.
This thread has stooped to such a disgusting level that good and smart Christians have abandoned it. I will as well. It has become a contest to see who can be the most antagonistic and ignorant. It is not a game I want to play.
"Never argue with the ignorant, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
You have destroyed objectivity with your malice and ignorance, and you may now gloat -- by yourselves.
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, so God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts; those who changed the truth of God into a lie. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error. And since they did not want to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind: being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Therefore you are inexcusable, you who judges: for when you judge another, you condemn yourself because you do the same thing. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them who commit such things... In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men."
In your end, you will learn the truth, and pay for rejecting the truth in favor of your own vanity.
I sooooo do not want to be one of those people. Do you?
swill269
03-20-2005, 18:01
:o
tunug,
Tunug Posted on Mar 20 2005, 06:39 PM People assume the Bible states something it doesn't.
you are a people and you are guilty also. :beer: unless you have proof of your absolute knowledge. :ph34r:
:cool:
Yep, and I don't want to be guilty of perverting the Bible, so I try to interperate it the best I can. And.... gotta learn when a debate loses its objectivity and just becomes an argument... then walk away. :beer:
I think that this quote from Os Guinness book, Time for Truth really succinctly states the core issue here.
Christianity is not true because it works (pragmatism); it is not true because it feels right (subjectivism); it is not true because it is "my truth" (relativism). It is true because it is anchored in the person of Christ. "The Christian faith is not true because it works; it works because it is true. It is not true because we experience it; we experience it - deeply and gloriously - because it is true. It is not simply 'true for us'; it is true for any who seek in order to find, because truth is true even if nobody believes it, and falsehood is false even if everybody believs it. That is why truth does not yield to opinion, fashion, numbers, office or sincerity - it is simply true and that is the end of it.
eta correction in bold type
I guess it's too late for me to reply to this thread with anything of value, seeing as to how it's been completely ruined by a few. ;)
swill269
03-25-2005, 07:24
:o
ivm,
a conversation is never ruined completely; as long as something intelligent is left to be said. we can ignore the ignorant and possibly enlight them as well. :beer:
:cool:
Most religions of the world speak about Jesus as a prophit or as a good teacher. The point of this is, if Jesus was a prophit he cannot lie, if a good teacher then what he teaches must be true. Why then do the others dispute his claims. If they (the others) are right, then they have lied. If they are wrong they have lied. Thus they have failed in thier teaching. The logical end to this debate is Jesus is who he said he was. If most admit he is then the next step is an easy one.
good point homer, and may I add:
Many will claim that Jesus Christ was nothing more than a great teacher, philosopher, or prophet. Well, He said He was the Son of God! He said He and God were ONE! If this was not true, then Jesus Christ was a liar and a heretic, not a great prophet!
Many will also say that the Bible was written for feeble minds, is not accurate, and is now outdated, and they will also claim that the Bible is a "good book" to live by.
???? huh ??? Either the "many" speak out of both sides of their mouths, or they are the feeble minds that would condone such a book as beneficial, and believe a liar and a heretic was a great prophet.
Doesn't make any sense to make such assertions, does it?
2CoolChris
03-25-2005, 12:54
Tunug Posted on Mar 25 2005, 09:02 AM
good point homer, and may I add:
Many will claim that Jesus Christ was nothing more than a great teacher, philosopher, or prophet. Well, He said He was the Son of God! He said He and God were ONE! If this was not true, then Jesus Christ was a liar and a heretic, not a great prophet!
Tunug, seems I heard that once before as well. From a middle eastern man. Handing me the Koran, asking me to read it, then come back and have conversations with him. Else, I'd be spaking from ignorance.
Basically, dont show up to a battle of the wits unarmed.
So to everyone.
True, Jesus was just one of 30,000 phrophets. So was Mohammed. Read it all, not just the watered down loosley translated forms of western religion we were force fed as children. We are all the sons and daughters of God.
Nobody has a monopoly on God, period. End of discussion.
And heaven is a concept. Your idea of heaven may be pure hell to me, and same in reverse. My idea of heaven would probably irritate the hell outta everyone.
Besides, I'm a Frisbeetarian, I believe if your soul gets thrown on the roof, you'll have a hard time getting it down.
Ok, religious discussions are always a real sensative issue. I've always tried to avoid them in all discussion groups throughout the net. Unless you are bored and want to argue with someone.
But remember, there is a forum here called "Religious Chit-Chat" so it's bound to go the same direction every other religious discussion ever goes. And again, I think it should be ok, it's all about a free exchange of ideas to put on the table. Nobody is forcing anyone to eat it. I think everyone is entitled to these ideas, the good the bad and the ugly.
If it's "all out there in the world", then it stands to reason , that we may discuss it all.
I write stuff sometimes, not believing in it myself, I just put it on the table for discussion. To see reactions, to get feedback.
Again, these are just thoughts and ideas, lets talk about them all.
How can you make informed decisions if you havn't looked at ALL angles?
If it's all on the table, look at it all, but nobody said eat it all.
I heard once: Pay attention to even that which does not pertain to you.
I found this old post and thought that I would add a thought that someone said the other night about all roads leading to God. He said that all roads don't lead to his house.
I thought that the word picture here was right on. So the idea is that all these different paths don't lead to the one true God but rather to different 'gods'.
Dr Lukens
04-17-2006, 11:39
I found this old post and thought that I would add a thought that someone said the other night about all roads leading to God. He said that all roads don't lead to his house.
I thought that the word picture here was right on. So the idea is that all these different paths don't lead to the one true God but rather to different 'gods'.
There is another argument about the "all roads" thing. How many other religions have a savior who died a horrible death and then came back to life? If all roads led to the same God, then Jesus's death on the cross is pointless. He could have just continued teaching, as did budda, muhommad, and "his other fellow prophets." His death and resurrection are key to salvation.
Now, you don't have to believe this. But for those of us who do, that is why we are "intolerant" of other religions. Evangelical Christians aren't exclusive because we're arrogant and intolerant. We are exclusive because it is what we believe.
Amen. Though I do not think this is so much intolerance as a refusal to validate false doctrine and beliefs. Non christians of course might see this refusal to validate their beliefs as intolerance. There can only be one set of absolute truths. If not, then everyone is right and there is no basis for a lawful existence because man can simply change the truths to suit their agenda (Hilter would be a good case in point, Saddam another).
There is another argument about the "all roads" thing. How many other religions have a savior who died a horrible death and then came back to life? If all roads led to the same God, then Jesus's death on the cross is pointless. He could have just continued teaching, as did budda, muhommad, and "his other fellow prophets." His death and resurrection are key to salvation.
Now, you don't have to believe this. But for those of us who do, that is why we are "intolerant" of other religions. Evangelical Christians aren't exclusive because we're arrogant and intolerant. We are exclusive because it is what we believe.
absolutely true! unequivicly can't change my mind gonna happen! the only question you need to answer before you die is, do you want the Lord Jesus as your defense "lawyer", or do you want God the Father to be your judge?
"for there is NO condemnation to those in Christ Jesus".
all paths lead to God, for no man hath the ability to deny the Lord an audience at lifes end.
jumpluff
06-01-2006, 16:55
VERY well put....it isn't where the road leads that is in question....but rather what happens when you arrive! :o
Wish I had thought of that! :)
Agreed. Wish I had too.
VERY well put....it isn't where the road leads that is in question....but rather what happens when you arrive! :o
Wish I had thought of that! :)
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