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[tri70]

I just recieved this story from the American Family Association, a christian site. I believe someones rights where just tossed into file 13!! Will they start search and seizures for Bibles and religious artifacts, "they will call good, evil and evil, good".

PENNSYLVANIA CHRISTIANS FACE 47 YEARS IN PRISON FOR READING THE BIBLE IN PUBLIC
Philadelphia charges Christians with hate crimes, inciting a riot, and using a deadly weapon.

Bill O'Reilly reported on the situation on Fox News Channel

What we have been saying has now happened. You cannot quote what the Bible has to say about homosexuality in public or you will be charged with a "hate crime." Philadelphia is only the beginning. If we fail to take a stand here, this "crime" will soon be applied across America.

In the 27 years of this ministry, I have never witnessed a more outrageous miscarriage of justice than what is happening in Philadelphia. Four Christians are facing up to 47-years in prison and $90,000 in fines for preaching the Gospel on a public sidewalk, a right fully protected by the First Amendment.

On October 10, 2004, the four Christians were arrested in Philadelphia. They are part of Repent America. Along with founder Michael Marcavage, members of Repent America—with police approval--were preaching near Outfest, a homosexual event, handing out Gospel literature and carrying banners with Biblical messages.

When they tried to speak, they were surrounded by a group of radical homosexual activists dubbed the Pink Angels. A videotape of the incident shows the Pink Angels interfering with the Christians’ movement on the street, holding up large pink symbols of angels to cover up the Christians' messages and blowing high pitched whistles to drown out their preaching.

Rather than arrest the homosexual activists and allow the Christians to exercise their First Amendment rights, the Philadelphia police arrested and jailed the Christians!

They were charged with eight crimes, including three felonies: possession of instruments of crime (a bullhorn), ethnic intimidation (saying that homosexuality is a sin), and inciting a riot (reading from the Bible some passages relating to homosexuality) despite the fact that no riot occurred.

You may think I am exaggerating. I'm not. Our AFA Center for Law and Policy is representing these four individuals at no cost. We will take this case all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary to get justice.

There is so much more about this case I don't have room for it in this letter. We have prepared a 25-minute VHS/DVD in which two AFA-CLP attorneys discuss the case in detail.

Please help us with our expenses in representing these committed Christians. With your tax-deductible gift of $15, less than the cost of a cup of coffee once a month for the next year, we will send your choice of either the VHS or DVD. Watch the VHS/DVD, then share it with your Sunday school class and church. This VHS/DVD should be required viewing in every church in America.


-tri :usa: God be with them!!

[Swordslinger]

This has been going on for a while. :(

[lendell]

THATS BULLsh**!! I hate the ACLU. They made us take the 10 Commandments down from our courthouse. I can't say what I'd like to do to them here without getting in trouble, but it's bad. I got the last laugh though because they are probably going to hell. We have to stop this madness. Looks like I'll never go to Facistdelphia.

[Metaldoc]

Tri,
I received that also. We are going to be seeing a lot more of that, I'm afraid.

"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:10

Jesus told His disciples, "If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you also" (John 15: 20).

We will need to pray for each other in these trying times.

Grant Your strength, O Lord, to those who are threatened and keep them steadfast in confessing Your name. Amen.

Metaldoc :usa:

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by Metaldoc@Jan 6 2005, 06:32 PM
Tri,
I received that also. We are going to be seeing a lot more of that, I'm afraid.

"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:10

Jesus told His disciples, "If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you also" (John 15: 20).

We will need to pray for each other in these trying times.

Grant Your strength, O Lord, to those who are threatened and keep them steadfast in confessing Your name. Amen.

Metaldoc :usa:
Your right Doc. We need to be in prayer for our brethren who are in the fight. It is getting close to the time of the harvest, and the tares dont like it. I wouldnt either if I were them.

I have some personal friends, some of the finest men you would want to know, who have spent time in the "hotel", largley because of thier beliefs, persucution and set-ups.


According to the Word that Doc posted above, I would be concerned if I wasnt being slandered by this anti-Christ, Babyloian, system. <_<

When I look at these "Palace Prophets" that are rubbing noses with those in power, ya just gotta wonder..... <_< Thats NOT the way The King said it was gonna be!!! If your preacher is not catching hell from "those in high places", you had better closley examine what he is teaching. <_<

Acts 17:11

"These [the Bereans] were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

[Dorkface]

well if they are going to do that then they need to stop all the gay pride parades and gatherings... :blink:

[Tunug]

In the days of it's colonization, Philadelphia was called "The city of brotherly love" for its pacifist religious tolerance.

Today, they bring on a whole new meaning of "brotherly love" (sickos).

These are definately the last days.

[mrmeyer]

Originally posted by Tunug@Jan 6 2005, 06:12 PM


These are definately the last days.
I agree. I'm generally an optimistic person, but I have my doubts that there is any light at the end of the tunnel of this "culture war" in which we find ourselves engaged. :(

[IVM]

I realize I probably stand fairly alone here in my thinking, but to play devil's advocate...

If people were standing on the sidewalk preaching passages out of the Bible advocating racism, would or should they be arrested for a hate crime?

Personally, I don't think it's right that these people were arrested. They were complying with the police, it was a legal demonstration. Do I have anything against homosexuals? No. Do I think they are sinners? Only if they are not true to themselves. Do I believe in God? Yes. Do I believe that Jesus was (at the very least) a messenger from God if not the physical incarnation of God? Yes. But then I also believe many other people were such "prophets", such as Mohammed of the Islamic faith, Buddha, etc, etc. When you look at the core message each of these influential people preached, it was basically the same- to love all and judge none.

[lendell]

Damn Liberals! It's that Tolerance crap that is causing all of this. The question is what are WE going to do? We that call ourselves christians and believe the same as these people and call them brother. What do we do? Let the madness continue, speak up in public, or forcibly take our country back? Decisions, decisions, decisions.

[tri70]

Christians are not protesting by blowing themselves and the infidells up!! We must hold to a moral standard, black and white of right and wrong, no gray.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." --Galileo Galilei


tri :usa:

[AR15_Fanatic]

Originally posted by tri70@Jan 7 2005, 09:23 AM
Christians are not protesting by blowing themselves and the infidells up!! We must hold to a moral standard, black and white of right and wrong, no gray.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." --Galileo Galilei


tri :usa:
Good Point, Tri.

One thing I might add is to start a fund to pay for attorney fees when we have to confront these left wing anti-Christian people in court and stop them. If you have a good lawyer, you can do just about anything. Time to use the legal profession for good, not evil!

[lendell]

I wonder, are there any Christian lawyers out there? I mean men of standards and morals who would not represent the client if they were guilty.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by lendell@Jan 8 2005, 05:11 PM
I wonder, are there any Christian lawyers out there? I mean men of standards and morals who would not represent the client if they were guilty.
Im sure there are. In fact, I know of a few. Keep in mind, Christ was pretty hard on that profession in general at the time of His coming to Redeem.

Luke 12:52
"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

He was also speaking of the Pharisees that were monitoring His every move that they might tattel tell to their Ceaser/god. Remember they were on top at the time.


Acts 17:6 "And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These (Christians) that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;"

If they are on top, and these Christians "turn the world upside down", where does that put them?

Right where they belong!!!

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by IVM@Jan 7 2005, 03:30 AM


If people were standing on the sidewalk preaching passages out of the Bible advocating racism, would or should they be arrested for a hate crime?


We do still have ( are supposed to have) free speach in this country dont we? What gives them the right to put someone in jail because they dont agree with their beliefs or what they say. THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE WE ARE HEADED DOWN!!!

When they say,[said with a very high pitched voice, and lisp] "its OK to arrest them because what they teach is wrong". Or, "that gun is evil, no one has use of anything like that unless they want to kill inocent people with it", Or "that preacher should be put in jail because he offends me". It just a matter of time, (and a short one) till the big wheel rolls around to them.

In todays society, all is needed to make us a racist is to change the deffinition, and convince the masses that the "new" deffinition is correct. Some here know what I speak of.

Edited: to better reflect my original thoughts.

[IVM]

I totally understand what you're saying- as I said, I don't believe they should've been tossed in jail. Like I said, I support the ACLU when they defended the KKK's right to wear masks during protests (Even Rev. Al Sharpton supported the KKK on that one!), despite not liking their hate-mongering speech. First Amendment, after all!

I was simply asking if people WOULD be arrested or SHOULD be arrested for a "hate crime" for preaching racism in public from the Bible. That doesn't mean I believe they should. :D

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by IVM@Jan 8 2005, 11:05 PM
I totally understand what you're saying- as I said, I don't believe they should've been tossed in jail. Like I said, I support the ACLU when they defended the KKK's right to wear masks during protests (Even Rev. Al Sharpton supported the KKK on that one!), despite not liking their hate-mongering speech. First Amendment, after all!

I was simply asking if people WOULD be arrested or SHOULD be arrested for a "hate crime" for preaching racism in public from the Bible. That doesn't mean I believe they should. :D
And I didnt mean that against you, nor was I saying that "you" were saying that. I read it again, and were I inserted "you", would have better effect as "they". :)

Im am pretty passionate about this, mainly because with the "patriot" act, all that has to been done, is to lable someone a terrorist. Thats already been done to many of us. Remember Reno's "deffinition".

[cjmkerns]

IVM,

First, I think you have struck up some great conversations.
Second, I am going to quote some things you said and make some observations that hopefully you will find useful (from my own little pea brain). Please don't think I'm being antagonistic or critical (and please correct me when I'm wrong), but here goes.

You said...
"Do I believe in God? Yes. Do I believe that Jesus was (at the very least) a messenger from God if not the physical incarnation of God? Yes. But then I also believe many other people were such "prophets", such as Mohammed of the Islamic faith, Buddha, etc, etc. When you look at the core message each of these influential people preached, it was basically the same- to love all and judge none."

I think you may be unsure, in your heart, of Jesus Christ's identity. Based on scripture He is God incarnate or one of the greatest deceivers of all time. He could not have been just a messenger or all His teachings concerning Himself, His sacrifice and all the prophecies concerning Him are wrong. And thus the hope of a salvation gift for all who will accept it from the hand of a loving Creator is gone.

Concerning the prophet of Islam, you should look carefully into who he was. Yes, he was a rabble-rouser just like Jesus. But, he was an illiterate (I have no problem with that) 7th century warlord who knew that men would fight and die willingly if they believed it was for God, and that God would reward them richly for doing so. Thus his “followers” were to be rewarded with the spoils of conquest if they lived and with a crystal palace, 72 virgins and wine if they died. He told his followers that he was the correcting prophet and, though the prophets of the Bible were true prophets, the scriptures concerning them have been corrupted by the Jews & Christians. He also declared himself the final prophet, so all of Islam is based on him alone. He routinely tortured and mutilated his prisoners. He declared Muslims should have no more than 4 wives, but that he had a special approval from God for more. He had 13 wives, he was 52 when he married his last wife, she was 8. Unmarried sex was forbidden, unless it was with a prisoner or conquered woman (rape). He signed peace treaties so he could reposition his forces and then destroy those with whom he had the treaty. Conquered peoples were given the opportunity to become Muslim, be killed, driven out or, if wealthy, buy their life and stay. He stated the goal of Islam is peace and that peace would come when the entire world submits to Islam. Scribes who traveled with him recorded his claimed declarations from God, the Koran, and meticulously recorded all he did, the Hadiths. Muslims hold him up as the ideal Muslim.

Muhammad’s message was certainly not to love all and judge none. He was a medieval warlord and the religion he created has left us with a medieval mess. Stand back and look at the Islamic world and ask yourself if it doesn’t fit neatly into the nutshell description above. Ever wonder why Muslim clerics won’t condemn 9/11 or terrorist atrocities?

Many religions teach peace, but Islam is not one of them and none teach the peace and sure salvation of Jesus Christ.


Regards,

Carl

PS I think it would be difficult to preach racism from the Bible.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by cjmkerns@Jan 8 2005, 11:38 PM
Ever wonder why Muslim clerics won’t condemn 9/11 or terrorist atrocities?


I know why!!!!

Because the Bible prophecy of Ishmael is right on the mark.

Genesis 16:12
"He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward [ Or live to the east / of ] all his brothers."

[IVM]

Carl,

A few of the things you posted are considered "misconceptions"- there was a well written book by a Christian about Islam and Muhammed in specific. There are many truths that you've stated, but I have to find the book I was reading about it.

And I never thinking someone is being too antagonistic. But then, debate is debate and I enjoy it no matter what someone has to say, or how they say it. ;)

[tri70]

How many times have we arrest the particants of a gay pride parade from the Bible belt? Middle America will not tolerate double standards of the "left coast", the laws will carry a different meaning every week for them!!

-tri :usa:

[cjmkerns]

IVM,

The things I stated come from the Koran & the Hadiths, the holy writings of Islam.

IVM, when 9/11 happened I needed the comfort of knowing that this had been commited by a handful of nutcases who had bastardized the religion of Islam for their hateful & evil ends. That need led me to an examination of Islam & its roots. I wish I hadn't found what I found, it was no comfort. But, on the bright side in looking around it would seem most Muslims are just like you and me. Willing to live side by side in peace with those of other faiths wanting to see their children grow up, spend time with grand children and lead a good life. But that peace part is in spite of Islam, not because of it.

If indeed you can find where the things I stated are in error, please let me know.

Regards,

Carl

[gossman]

It is interesting that there has not been much said about the muslim terrorists/facists in asia who let it be known that they will not harm the americans in asia during this time while they are in relief efforts for the tsunami. My how thoughtful and kind they are. As I have said before, they hate us but love our assistance and money. Funny how the sheiks with all their billions are sending large amounts of aid.

[AR15_Fanatic]

Originally posted by IVM@Jan 8 2005, 03:05 PM
I totally understand what you're saying- as I said, I don't believe they should've been tossed in jail. Like I said, I support the ACLU when they defended the KKK's right to wear masks during protests (Even Rev. Al Sharpton supported the KKK on that one!), despite not liking their hate-mongering speech. First Amendment, after all!

I was simply asking if people WOULD be arrested or SHOULD be arrested for a "hate crime" for preaching racism in public from the Bible. That doesn't mean I believe they should.* :D
Well I'm not sure that you can say that the Bible supports racism, though some southern politicians of the past and hate groups such as the Arayan Nation's Cult of Phinneas claim that it does.

One of the nice things about the First Amendment is that it guarantees not only the right of these hateful, mean spirited and cruel groups to speak their mind but it also guarantees you the right to respond to this garbage however you choose to do so. Next time the Klan tells you that blacks and Jews are inferior to whites you can simply shake you head, stare them right in the eye and say "Dude, you're an idiot!" It's all protected by the constitution, after all!

Let 'em say whatever they want to, I think. I don't buy into their rhetoric and neither should you. If they believe their terrible message, then so be it. Neither I, nor anyone else, nor any law can change that. In this world, there will be people that will hate you from the hair on your head to the shoes on your feet for no reason at all. That's a sad fact of life and there's not much we can do about it. The best thing that we can do is endeavor to rise above that stuff and be a better person than that.

Now if they want to lay so much as a finger on you for their beliefs or yours, feel free to exercise your second amendment rights! :D

With respect to the Pennsylvania case, this is a clear case of injustice towards Christians and, if the situation were reversed, would not have been tolerated in the least. I personally believe that there is a strong anti Christian sentiment amongst left wing dogma and will slowly see much greater expression as more and more power is attained by the left. This persecution will be limited to Christianity and most likely Judaism as well, yet will not extend towards other religions like Islam, Bhuddism, Shintoism, Hinduism, etc. At any rate it (and the PA case) is a clear violation of the Constitution and should be vigorously fought, all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.

I personally applaud these Christian groups for saying that homosexuality is wrong. Their religious teaching tells them that such activities are sinful and are not to be participated in. It takes guts to stand up and say that and shows quite a bit of moral character on their part to not cave in to this peer pressure. Their protests of these activities were not illegal or dangerous or violent in any way. And the acts of the 'Pink Angels' interference of their protests speaks volumes of how much the Angels tolerate any other viewpoint than their own.

[swill269]

:o
christians don't have a problem getting blood on their hands if they think god is on their side. they have one of the bloodiest histories of all. if they had not been stopped by society's will; we would sill have murderous inquisitions, crusading/marauding knights, invading spanish christians spreading the blood of the gospel to native americans, witch burning holier than thou christians passing final judgement on hearsay and the float test, etc.

i think it only fair if the christians can publicly harass the gay pride parade by bashing them with christianity; gays should be able to harass the vacation bible school parade with gay pride rhetoric/literature/condoms. the father of the FBI should have some clout here, pass out some picture posters of our forefathers. we have a lot of christian "fathers" which subscribe to the practice but they won't let gays in the church.

one of your famous christian brothers spoke of casting stones and i'm not talking about david.

you can make the bible/word/gospel infer/imply whatever you will, it covers everthing under the sun, good and bad. i refer to it as every man's "guide to life", just pick a subject, it's there.

all of this world gloom and doom is actually promoting the religions. like always, when the alligators get deep, man gets weak. we have the beginings of a big evangelical revival in this country. with bush pushing chrisianity and war from the whitehouse and billy graham as his mentor he was sure to win the election. about 84% of the country is declared christian, however only about 2% of them agree with each other's "gospel". we are in for some big changes and we all know how much we love to "change". :samurai:

when you don't have a job, the cost of living is out of sight, the president is endorsing imigrant labor because "his" americans won't work that cheap, 4 out of 10 men/women in the hood are in iraq and one is missing in action, you tend to get a little down. most "down" people i am aware of go to the bottle/bible or both. everything gets left up to "faith" as a last ditch effort, hope/pray it away, save my little a$$ from this misery. :P

swordslinger,

He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward [ Or live to the east / of ] all his brothers
when are the republicans gonna quit pickin' on kerry. :eek: :lol:

gossman,

they ain't got no weapons, so they call a time out. honestly i am more worried about the ones running around in country. :ph34r: :trooper:
:cool:

[Sniper]

:sniper: Anyone know of any update on the original thread?

[tri70]

It looks like they were ready to handle the outspoken from the beginning!!


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1/7/2005

A few days ago I wrote you about the situation in Philadelphia in which four Christians were arrested. They are charged with eight crimes, including three felonies: possession of instruments of crime (a bullhorn), ethnic intimidation (saying that homosexuality is a sin), and inciting a riot (reading from the Bible some passages relating to homosexuality) despite the fact that no riot occurred.

They face a possible 47 years in prison and fines of $90,000 each. Now we have learned more about this horrible travesty of justice.

According to WorldNetDaily, "Homosexual attorneys from the U.S. Justice Department Civil Rights Division not only attended (the) large homosexual event…but they advised police on the scene who arrested 11 Christian protesters, says a source in the agency." (Charges against some of the Christians have been dropped.)

The WorldNetDaily article went on to say that the U.S. Justice Department is "not likely to take up the cause of the five criminally charged Christians who believe Philadelphia officials violated their civil rights."

Did you catch that? The Justice Department will refuse to investigate the treatment of the arrested Christians because some homosexual attorneys from the Justice Department were advising the Philadelphia police on how to arrest the Christians!!!!

WorldNetDaily, quoting their source inside the Justice Department, said the Christians were charged with "ethic intimidation (hate crimes) 'at the recommendation of some of our (Department of Justice) attorneys who were at the march.'"

In fact, representatives from the Philadelphia legal division met with homosexual leaders prior to the event, presumably to discuss how to handle the "Christians" when they showed up at the event.

There appears to be collusion in this travesty of justice that goes to high levels of both the Justice Department and Philadelphia. A trail date will be set soon.

Would you stand with these Christians who are defending our constitutional right of free speech? We are asking you to stand with these four Christians.

One final request. Please forward this to your friends and family. And thanks for caring enough to get involved.



Your letter will be sent to R. Alexander Acosta, Assistant Attorney General at the U.S. Department of Justice.

-tri :usa: May God seek his revenge!!

[swill269]

:o
May God seek his revenge!!

spoken like a true christian :ph34r:

hell man your god just wiped out half of southeast asia, give him a break. take one yourself too. :blink:

are you high on communion wine? wipe your mouth, you are dribbling. :lol:

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by tri70@Jan 9 2005, 02:11 PM


-tri :usa: May God seek his revenge!!
Amen!!! And I dont mean that sarcasticly.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by swill269@Jan 9 2005, 02:39 PM


hell man your god just wiped out half of southeast asia,.....
You just said what many judeo-Christians refuse to admitt!! I believe that He did. I hope while He was doing it He got a large quanity of the pedophiles over there. I PRAY He did anyway.

Christians,
Did you know that part of the world is one of the pedophile capitals of the world, if not The capital?

Some are gonna say, "Why did He let all those other people die, too?" I think it is because all those other people let the filth go on and didnt do anything about it. The same reason AIDS effects so many inocent people here.



Psalms 104:32
"He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke."


For those who say, (and cleverly, I might add) "What kind of god would do such a thing?"

I have an answer for you!!!

An ANGRY GOD!!!

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by swill269@Jan 9 2005, 02:39 PM


hell man your god just wiped out half of southeast asia, give him a break. take one yourself too. :blink:


Be carefull there swill, we have hate laws in this country and you have just suggested that someone commit a violent act, and that its "God's will".

Really swill, you have just said enough to cause yourself a world of sheit!! Remember William Pierce?, ole Morris Dees sued him for writing the Turner Diaries.

[swill269]

:o
tri70,

the christians got their a$$ in hot water picketing and blowing up abortion clinics and 96 olympics venues. not to mention shooting doctors for preforming legal abortions.

i believe one of those christians just went to meet his maker. i don't know if it was a drug induced trip or a bolt of lighting that got him but he can be scratched off the "roll up yonder".

eric rudolph is hanging in the balance and his stupid brother can't raise his right hand and swear to god. damned idiot video taped himself amputating it with a skill saw to protest his brother's innocense. :D

that is why christians get rough treatment from the fairies and police.

as i have also said before; the patriot act/homeland security is an abortion to our constitution. bull horns, finger nail files, letter openers, box cutters, magnifying glass, M-14, can of gas, hand grenade, book of matches, swiss army knife, spare shoelaces, gem clip, yada, yada, on and on, etc.etc. this is what the christian majority begged for and welcomed blindly with open arms and in great haste. it is only fitting they should fall prey/pray to their own stupidity. this knee jerk, reactionary, god will make it better mentallity, will continue to suck the life right out of this country.

religion is a pain in the proverbial a$$ of the world. by the sheer numbers to choose from you are plauged with the "baskin robins syndrome" only they come to your house, stop you in the street, stop the traffic in the highways, write it on the walls, engrave it on their bodies, and kill each other in the name of their god for the honor and the glory they can never feel in life. :ph34r:

give us credit and keep your daily bread. you **** on me and i **** on you or you can turn the other cheek and keep on walking. god is great and god is good, if that's all you have. :(

love makes the world go round and round and round..... not saber rattling, chest pounding or bible thumping, these are all threats. i fear no evil or good, but i fear all the zealots in my world. ;)

[Swordslinger]

Swill,

Are you high this morning? :huh: You sound high. <_< You been smokin that ole vile, diobolical reefer?http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/869127/smiley_aall.gif If so, dont hog it!! BOGART!! Pass some this way!! :lol:

[swill269]

:o
swordslinger,

Be carefull there swill, we have hate laws in this country and you have just suggested that someone commit a violent act, and that its "God's will".

Really swill, you have just said enough to cause yourself a world of sheit!! Remember William Pierce?, ole Morris Dees sued him for writing the Turner Diaries.

i don't understand, i suggested he give his god a break from all his revenge on the world and he take one also.
his dialog reminded me of knee walking drunk sidewalk preachers. too busy saving others to sweep around their own back door.

if you don't mind i would like to have a warning shot fired over my head before your god kills all the pedophiles here. damn i hate kids, never had any, don't want any. ain't got nothing against them, would not get that close. :eek:

bear with me mate you are reading my scripture poetry now. i have to make it up as i go; nobody wrote me a script this is me talking.
:cool:

[BigUglyOne]

Uhhh Steve?

You all right, dude ?

You sound a little disjointed.

[Swordslinger]

I like these !!!!

Psalms 58:10 "The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." ( Swordslinger says, Praise YaH!!!
Psalms 94:1 O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth,.......

[swill269]

:o
swordslinger,

no, i am at my usual level, i just hear more incoming today or lately. this is the type of world turmoil/unrest that causes people to put "in god we trust" on their money. it is an act of desperation/frustration with the harsh side of life being in our face. some folks can't handle both sides, even deny it exists. they want to call it evil, satan, devil work, voo doo, black magic, it is pure and simple life. nothing new, just new players in a different time. it comes and goes like the tide, rain, moon and stars.

if it wakes you up and makes you take notice, you must have been bored or not living that christian life real regular. time to make ammends means you been screwin' off til now, got to a little back peddling, get some prayers in order. what you been doin' all this time if it was not preparing for the end?

i prepare every day, if i can think of something i should do or say before i die, i do it. there are two girls out there i still need to apologize to. i call them girls, if they are alive they are 50+. sorry for being an ass, barbara and carol, hope your doing well. never hurts to keep trying, they are the only 2 people left to get straight with which i feel i must do. ;)
:cool:

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by BigUglyOne@Jan 9 2005, 04:14 PM


You sound a little disjointed.
Maybe he is very JOINT-ed.http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/869127/smiley_aall.gif :lol: :lol:

[Swordslinger]

Where you been Steve? We miss you when your not around. Are you feelin better? I hope so! :)

[swill269]

:o
swordslinger,
i would say he washed his foot in the river after planting his boot up the ass of the enemy.

that reminds me; what stretches farther, rubber or skin? i'll give everyone a shot at it.
:cool:

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by swill269@Jan 9 2005, 05:12 PM
:o
swordslinger,
i would say he washed his foot in the river after planting his boot up the ass of the enemy.


I like That!!!! If I was a Preacher, Id use that in a sermon!!!


As far as the Rubber/Skin thing, any father that has delivered or watched the delivery of his child knows the answer to that one. :ph34r: :lol:

ANSWER ME!! DANG IT!!! How are you feelin? Better?

[swill269]

:o
swordslinger,

been sick with sinus/head cold for 8 weeks. feel very dizzy, ears, nose and throat are stuffy/runny. arthritis in neck, shoulders, wrist and fingers and no medication, stuff will kill you. my feet, ankles and calves swell real bad if i sit too long and i have been up all night with microsoft and symantec issues.

at 2am i recieved a liveupdate from norton anti virus and it got installed without my permission. i had written them a hot letter complaining about an update on the 5th that disabled my outlook exp and my server home page. it took 2 hours to find info on site to fix server problem and i never could get outlk exp email problem resolved. i contacted symantec online and explained problem from front to back and listed by article/document number all the recomended fixes i had performed to no avail. i also removed it (norton) and all was fine and dandy until i reinstalled and it went to crap again. i had disabled update downloads and installs to keep from compounding prob. at 2am symantec, using my computer provided info, downloaded and installed an update without my assistance (enabling). when i started looking around for changes, outlook exp started pulling in email (incoming tone) all by itself. opened outlk and there were my 2 test messages i sent myself on the 5th and all my PU hits. juan valdeze and i have been entertaining each other since 01/09/05 @ 8pm til 01/10/05 @ 1pm (now). i am going to take a shower and hit the rack... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
:cool:

[AR15_Fanatic]

i think it only fair if the christians can publicly harass the gay pride parade by bashing them with christianity; gays should be able to harass the vacation bible school parade with gay pride rhetoric/literature/condoms. the father of the FBI should have some clout here, pass out some picture posters of our forefathers. we have a lot of christian "fathers" which subscribe to the practice but they won't let gays in the church.

The thing is Swill, they were there protesting the parade, not harassing it. I don't know the exact details of this but I believe they stayed in their own areas and did not break the law out there. It was members of the gay pride parade that actively approached them and harassed them, not the other way around.

[swill269]

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ar15-fanatic,

I don't know the exact details of this but I believe they stayed in their own areas and did not break the law out there. It was members of the gay pride parade that actively approached them and harassed them, not the other way around.

that is exactly why it will be setteled/investigated in a court of law not on the street. until then it is: he said, she said, they said, we said, simon says!!! :ph34r:
:cool:

[swill269]

:o
swordslinger,

you are absolutely right, skin. this is documented in the bible but im not sure where. this is one "stooxie" would say was used out of context. but the bible indicates it is skin, "....and joseph tied his ass to a tree and walked to town" :eek: :eek: :eek:
:cool:
;)

[lendell]

Sick, and not the good sick either.

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by lendell@Jan 9 2005, 10:59 PM
Sick, and not the good sick either.
Agreed!! Sick!!!http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/869127/icon_smile_dead.gif

[tri70]

Swill, I hope you get to feeling better, there is alot of crud going around here so I bought some more oranges to eat. God ways and thoughts are above my ways and thoughts but I know the people in Indai and Thailand, Sir Lanka look at America in a light they have always wanted to. They are glad to see all the aid pooring in that has been headed by the US. I say leave the UN out if they can't keep there hands out of the money, ex Kofi Annan. The US is no longer the great satan, but the giving and caring nation. If we were not of a Christian majority we would not have given so much money in aid, we would not have cared what happened to them. We could sit in our houses with our guns and food for 6 months and say thats tragic but it did not affect me in the least.
The homesexual movement is all about themselves and what pleases them, even at the cost of trampling others rights because that is thier right. And now the government is getting involved to trample over the rights of any who apposed them!! <_< For someone that hates the patriot act so much and all other government intervention I figured you would be a little simpathetic for the underdogs in Philly. :huh:

Get better Swill, I pray for you and those in Philly and for the families of the those who lost loved ones in the tsunami.

-tri :usa: I will fear Gods wrath and pray for his protection.

[Tunug]

Two things I wanna say.... cuz i see a lot of people getting the wrong idea about these arguments.

Christians have shed blood therefore Christianity is evil..... well first of all no men are perfect including christians... all men are tempted to seek glory and power for themselves... and many have done it in the name of christianity. Does it give Christianity a bad name, hell yes it does! Does it mean that God's plan to redeem the world through Christ is false? NO! it only means that men screw up! The fact that evil things have been done in the name of Christianity does not mean that one can logically argue that Christianity is false because of the actions committed "in the name of Christ." God will judge his "Christian" followers and those that have done evil in His name will be condemned to hell.

Which brings me to my second point... God is the creator of life -- He has the power to destroy life, create life, condemn souls to hell, and give eternal life to His children. What's my point? We all believe that to kill a man is sin, and many of us question the justness of God in taking men's lives if killing is supposed to be sin. God commanded US to not murder (God also commanded his children to defeat the ungodly, which makes it difficult to understand the difference between killing humans and murder). Still, what is my point? my point is this.... It is NOT wrong for God to take a man's life! He is the ONLY one who is allowed to take life. This is where people really get bent out of shape....For example: An innocent baby is killed -- is God fair in letting this happen? YES! why? because God has the power to give life eternal, and likely gives that baby a perfect and eternal life with HIM, forgoing a short and difficult life on earth. Man does not have the ability to restore life once taken so it is not man's place to kill. Life on earth is very short and harsh compared to enernal life with God. So... let's say that two people die in a tsunami -- one loves God and one rejects God. They are both judged and the one who loves God is granted an end to his difficult life on earth and given eternal life, walking with God. The one who rejected God is granted an eternal life in hell. Is God wrong to allow a tsunami to kill them? NO! God has the power to create life, destroy life, and to RESTORE life. He is the only one with this power so he alone is allowed to take life. Since men cannot restore life, they are not permitted to take it. God can do what he wants because he is FAIR as well as ALL powerful.

So.... the arguments that say Christianity is false because God kills innocent people and evil men kill innocent people in God's name.... seem to be "proof" that Christianity is false. But, they are NOT logical arguments -- these arguments are tools of the deciever to make us think that God is not real!

End of my rant! (for now) heh heh!

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by Tunug@Jan 10 2005, 12:38 AM
God commanded US to not murder (God also commanded his children to defeat the ungodly, which makes it difficult to understand the difference between killing humans and murder).

--They are tools of the deciever to make us think that God is not real!

Murder is what the manuscriptipts say, where most modern Bibles say "kill". It should properly be translated as "do no murder". Murder is to take inocent life. The penalty for murder is death, "he who shedeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed." Genesis sompin?

I agree, good post!!

[don421]

Go only unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.


It's a hard saying, who can know it?

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by don421@Jan 10 2005, 11:24 PM
Go only unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.


It's a hard saying, who can know it?
Thats right!! Know where they ended up after the captivity?

Oh, and Welcome.

[Bill]

Originally posted by Dorkface@Jan 6 2005, 01:49 PM
well if they are going to do that then they need to stop all the gay pride parades and gatherings... :blink:
Why would they need to stop parades?

Are you ~afraid~ of gay people?

[Dorkface]

Originally posted by Bill+Jan 11 2005, 10:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bill @ Jan 11 2005, 10:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dorkface@Jan 6 2005, 01:49 PM
well if they are going to do that then they need to stop all the gay pride parades and gatherings...* :blink:
Why would they need to stop parades?

Are you ~afraid~ of gay people? [/b][/quote]
hardly. i have many gay friends. oddly enough in college i was "the straight one" in my group of friends lol. also the only... non liberial since i dont considter myself a true conservitive in its natural sence, but alas they all stopped wanting to talk politics with me cause i always won via the facts.

I was looking at it from the stand point of if they are going to stiffle the opinions of one group then why stop there. might aswell take away everyones freedom of speach because im sure you can find someone that will disagree with something someone said. the last thing we would want is for someone to get offended when someone has a differing opinion in the real world. :confused: :)

::Edited for a gramatical word error lol.::

[tri70]

We could do away with elections and place in a dictator, kill anyone who disagrees with "status quo", make war with neighboring countries. We would be a pro-gun society but you would have to pledge alleagance to the dictator and be in the army to have a gun. If you did not serve the dictator then your childen would be thrown in jail. The government will take care of all your needs for medical and food, but you will be dirt poor because the only jobs will be in the army. Wait for the big satan to invade your country and set you children free.

-tri :usa: