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nagalfar
10-16-2004, 15:07
I know its a tough call.. for me its gotta be Sig, way over rated!
:usa:
The glock gets my vote.
--
Mike
I didn't see Kimber listed so I will vote for Beretta.
targetsfearme
10-19-2004, 18:35
glock...i mean who freezes their gun in ice or buries it in mud then goes shoot it?...big frickin deal....also when i slap a full clip in and close the slide i like to hear the CLUNK of IORN...i have a stainless ruger P90(the style before those funny looking current ones) and i love it to death...sometimes i just sit and look at it an......anyways the glock gets my vote.
Taquito971
10-20-2004, 09:07
I vote Sig. It's a nice gun, cycles fast but I always do better with a Beretta. And you'd think those things are made of gold for the price they go for. But people buy them. I mean, it's what the SEALs use right? BFD...
Brian
targetsfearme
10-20-2004, 10:24
i thought the seals used hk's... :unsure:
Taquito971
10-20-2004, 10:42
Originally posted by targetsfearme@Oct 20 2004, 08:24 AM
i thought the seals used hk's... :unsure:
Among other things... The M11 or Sig 229 is also a regularly used sidearm in the SEAL arsenal. Not to mention the 1911 and others.
Brian
txfyrguy
10-20-2004, 20:44
Deffinetly SIG! You are a gun yuppy if you like sigs. Other guns can make you a gun yuppy but they are not listed so I won't attak them. ;) A sig is barely worth half the asking price.
BTW who voted for S&W??? Must be some commie lurker!lol
getting into this a bit late, but Glock gets (and got) my vote. so far, that looks to be the view of ~40% of voters)
:rolleyes:
countryfried1
10-28-2004, 06:12
Sig is definately overrated, but glock is not far behind. You are supposed to take care of your guns. Besides, Squared plastic guns make me nervous. Long live the 1911(and it will). ;)
I also voted for Glock. My only auto pistol is a Glock 30 and I love it. I love the design and the features, and I've shot a few other brands. But the price, and as someone else said the plastic-bury-it-or-freeze-it... is a bit too extreme. Yeah It's over rated -- too many glock heads out there! :o they are consistent tho, fairly accurate!
My next pistol will be a Ruger for sure! a 22! now that's entertainment! almost as fun to shoot as my dad's high-standard 22 revolver.... man, that is one sweet shootin gun!
hooligan
11-20-2004, 21:02
Am I only the second sucker that spent the extra dough to get an awesome USP 40 only to be seriously dissapointed? Or do I just have a lemon? <_<
targetsfearme
11-20-2004, 21:51
no,my older brother bought a 40 cal glock and sold it a month later
Timberland
11-22-2004, 19:38
Why isn't Kimber listed? That should be the first one on the list
I loathe glock but I hate H&K even more. Their guns are mostly plastic, yet cost a fortune. Who thinks a gun made of cheap plastic should be the cheapest price? I do for one.
Magnum Mikie
12-02-2004, 19:09
Glock.
JDefinatly with out a dought.......... any and all of the 1911's
darjeeling
12-07-2004, 13:18
Originally posted by hooligan@Nov 20 2004, 08:02 PM
Am I only the second sucker that spent the extra dough to get an awesome USP 40 only to be seriously dissapointed? Or do I just have a lemon? <_<
HK USP + .40 S&W= bad combo. That pistol in that caliber is just the wrong fit. Not that I really like the USP anyways... HK has to get my vote
Got to be the gluck.
:sniper:
Ok what am I missing here???? How in the world is the Glock over rated?
Its the least expensve of all the guns listed. Its eaisly as accurate or more right out of the box as any of the listed guns. Its quite possibly the most reliable of the list.........
Ok, there ad is kinda cheesy showing it dunked in mud, water, snow etc. But the fact remains you CAN and it WILL work.
It has a "plastic" frame......So what. Time has more than proven the effectiveness and durability of there "plastic".
Dude, the 1911 has been in service with the U.S since...1911. Spec Ops still use them. They will do everything a Glock will do, plus, they're actually made of metal. I'll tell you a test a 1911 will pass that a Glock won't. Put both guns side by side in horizontal vices. Clamp their slides in the vices and give each grip a good wack with a hammer. Then see which one will still shoot, and which one will need a new frame.
Well actually the 1911 has been out of service for more than 10 years now. The MAJORITY of the SecOps guys do NOT use them. They could if they wanted to but there not. Most are using Sigs and Berettas.....
As for your giving the frame a "good wack" theory you may be alittle suprized. Metal bends and dents whare as "plastic" will bend but go back to its origional form. If you were to "wack" a Glock frame with a hammer hard enough to break it and then do the same to a 1911 with the same amount of force you would still dammage it enough to be non functional.
and and out of the box 1911 will NOT shoot as acurate or reliable as a Glock.
I guess I'm just old fashioned.
Are you telling me that I don't have to keep my Glock36 in my wife's mudpack in the freezer anymore? I've been treading the day that she stumbles upon it under the leg of lamb (where I hide my Kahr).
I still think Glocks are overrated. But, that's just my opinion of them. They look too similar to toys.
Tankcommander
01-10-2005, 13:07
I voted Berreta, It was nice getting new guns in the Army but they don't hold up.
I do not like Glocks personally but I know alot of people I respect love them. Had an H&K USP 40 that worked great but the checkering hurt my hand. I tradedit in on a Para Ord 14/45 LDA which I love. :D
TC :cannon:
DragnSamurai
01-10-2005, 15:34
I voted glock..I owned a glock 23c 40cal but it didn't fire any better than my Sigma 40 cal. I don't know about the USP40..but the USP45 i had was a sweet shooter...but was disappointed when my friends P90 was just as acurate at over half the price. LoL. I just sold my XD357Sig to a friend cause he needed a good firearm, and ended up buying a Ruger P345...after having the HK, i was burning to have another 45 again., haven't shot it yet...but going to this weekend. Sorry that just to say i voted glock turned into a friggin story. :blink:
Intel486
01-10-2005, 19:33
I voted for Glock. I think Glock's are some of the best handguns but there are other choices. Seems to have been made popular to the masses because it appears is movies.
I will probably end up with a Glock but there are some other handguns I want first.
Twinke Masta
01-11-2005, 20:09
I vote for SIg because they are damn expensive and Desert Eagle because they are expensive and are overrated for their .50AE crap. M1911! :beer: :usa:
swill269
01-11-2005, 20:48
:o
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn,
i got to get a drink, i am with the majority here. :lol: :( :rolleyes:
i need a rest! :eek:
:cool: :beer:
Jack2427
01-21-2005, 19:44
OK Glocksters:
I think it is over rated, plus I do not like plastic guns (the Walther P99 is an exception-after all james Bond has one).
That being said, the weapon of choice for training the Iraq security and police forces is the AK and the Glock. Why? SIMPLICITY! They are the easiest weapions to train with, especially for people who really are not gun people, and are interested in a sidearm as a badge of office, and a longarm to spray and pray with. Both work well with little maintaining and cleaning, and in the sand.
Both have simple manual of arms, and anyone can be trained to get one to fire, notice I did not say fire effectively. Not that one cannot fire either effectively, just the ones we are training in sandland.
Guess I just paid the gun I claimed was over rated a compliment, well it is still over rated.
darjeeling
01-22-2005, 00:12
Well, the bar for the glock has been set so high by popular opinion that no pistol could conceviably reach it. This doesn't mean it still isn't an excellent firearm. I have no doubts that it is. I just dont care for the ergonomics. Its like a frog in my hands, I just can't get comfortable with one.
sig357gunner
02-10-2005, 08:40
Originally posted by txfyrguy@Oct 20 2004, 06:44 PM
Deffinetly SIG! You are a gun yuppy if you like sigs. Other guns can make you a gun yuppy but they are not listed so I won't attak them. ;) A sig is barely worth half the asking price.
BTW who voted for S&W??? Must be some commie lurker!lol
I own a sig-Pro so how does that make me a yuppy? Blue collar worker here. I got my sig for less than a lot of the other brands you have listed and it CAME with nite-sights. I think that ur just jealous!!!!LOL LOL :D
txfyrguy
02-12-2005, 21:53
Originally posted by sig357gunner+Feb 10 2005, 07:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sig357gunner @ Feb 10 2005, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-txfyrguy@Oct 20 2004, 06:44 PM
Deffinetly SIG! You are a gun yuppy if you like sigs. Other guns can make you a gun yuppy but they are not listed so I won't attak them. ;) A sig is barely worth half the asking price.
BTW who voted for S&W??? Must be some commie lurker!lol
I own a sig-Pro so how does that make me a yuppy? Blue collar worker here. I got my sig for less than a lot of the other brands you have listed and it CAME with nite-sights. I think that ur just jealous!!!!LOL LOL :D [/b][/quote]
" Jealous" only in your dreams! LOL
Its plaint to see that we will have to agree to disagree. ;)
MoeMentum
02-13-2005, 16:26
Glock, it just sounds funny.
dakota kid
02-13-2005, 21:52
Beretta, for some reason i just don't like them
BlenderWizard
02-14-2005, 07:03
Originally posted by dakota kid@Feb 13 2005, 11:52 PM
Beretta, for some reason i just don't like them
Exposed barrel maybe?
commanderfan
04-19-2005, 03:05
I guess I have to go with glock too. Not a darn thing wrong with them. It is just that I mainly shoot alot of pistols and revolvers, and the grip angle is all wrong for me. What people carry seems to have more to do with what they have seen in the movies. I have a hard time convincing friends to get a good 357 D.A. revolver. The Glocks and to a lesser extent Beretta's are the cool ones to have. My G19 always acted like it was trying to squirm out of my hand, a feeling I dont find comfortable. Sigs are definitly spendy, but just seem so solid, and comfortable to shoot. My CDNN used 220 is fast becoming my favorite, although the 1911 pattern is still my main companion.
Originally posted by lendell@Dec 15 2004, 05:52 PM
Dude, the 1911 has been in service with the U.S since...1911. Spec Ops still use them. They will do everything a Glock will do, plus, they're actually made of metal. I'll tell you a test a 1911 will pass that a Glock won't. Put both guns side by side in horizontal vices. Clamp their slides in the vices and give each grip a good wack with a hammer. Then see which one will still shoot, and which one will need a new frame.
Oh, ok. So Glock sucks because you can freeze it, drop it, fire it underwater (sort of), drop it in mud and it will still fire.
But the 1911 rocks because you can crush it in a vice and it will still fire?
You're saying the survivability is meaningless in the Glock then you pick a test like that and celebrate it in the 1911?. :rolleyes:
-Stooxie
Originally posted by commanderfan@Apr 19 2005, 01:05 AM
I guess I have to go with glock too. Not a darn thing wrong with them. It is just that I mainly shoot alot of pistols and revolvers, and the grip angle is all wrong for me. What people carry seems to have more to do with what they have seen in the movies. I have a hard time convincing friends to get a good 357 D.A. revolver. The Glocks and to a lesser extent Beretta's are the cool ones to have. My G19 always acted like it was trying to squirm out of my hand, a feeling I dont find comfortable. Sigs are definitly spendy, but just seem so solid, and comfortable to shoot. My CDNN used 220 is fast becoming my favorite, although the 1911 pattern is still my main companion.
Well that ain't Glock's fault! So it doesn't fit your hand, not all guns do!
Glock is not overrated, it does EXACTLY what it claims to do for a GREAT price.
Sig is not overrated. It is a fine piece of engineering that does exactly what it claims to do with features (like decocking) the LE departments like.
The 1911 is not overrated, it's service life shows that.
Ask me, however, if Wilson Combat is overrated, though! Ever see a $4000 Glock or Sig? No way.
I wouldn't say Kimber is overrated. The 1911 platform seems to not be quite perfect without good machining. Ask the zillions of custom 1911 manufacturers. Kimber is about the cheapest of them all. $750 for the Custom Stainless II ain't bad.
H&K? Well, there's something that might be overrated, but probably more due to price than anything else.
Here's a better topic: what's the most UNDERRATED pistol? I'll be there's lots of good choices there.
-Stooxie
1911 gets my vote. :2guns:
Killians
04-21-2005, 23:44
glock got my vote.
:beer:
i know this isnt on the list but id say desert eagle
Originally posted by Stlkid@Apr 30 2005, 07:53 AM
i know this isnt on the list but id say desert eagle
Now there's a decent candidate!!
No kidding, what DO you do with one of those things? I've heard from many knowledgable
folks that the DE is more of a novelty than anything else. Too big, too bulky, too much
recoil.
I handled one at the gun show I went to. A massive block of steel!
-Stooxie
Now there's a decent candidate!!
No kidding, what DO you do with one of those things? I've heard from many knowledgable
folks that the DE is more of a novelty than anything else. Too big, too bulky, too much
recoil.
I handled one at the gun show I went to. A massive block of steel!
You're right - the DE is big, heavy, has a grip that's too big for all but the largest hand, and isn't anywhere near as concealable as the movies would make you believe (before the flames start, that last comment is a joke). One thing about them - they're very accurate.
I have a .357 and two .44's and all three shoot very well. I brought one of the .44's to the range and let a bunch of people fire it after one of our action pistol matches. Six or seven guys took a few shots each and the majority of the hits were in the black of a 2" bull at 25 yards. That's not bad for a big pistol that the shooter isn't familiar with.
Usually, they just sit in the gunsafe.
Well most of the DE overatedness comes from hollywood. Some action guy who can shoot 20 rounds out of it with no recoil and send people flying 10 feet into the air. I think that reflects on the general public and they think its the best gun. If i was in a fire fight id take any of those handguns on the list before the DE. Id take a magnum revolver before the DE, or just the SW500 the bang should scare them off.
AR15_Fanatic
05-01-2005, 14:46
I have to agree that the Desert Eagle is a good candidate for an overrated semi auto. I don't know what the gun's reliability is like, but using those .44 Mag and .50AE cartridges, it's really too powerful for use as a defense or combat pistol and peobably cannot be effectively weilded in such situations due to the Recoil. This is then compounded by the gaudy look of the polished gold plating as an extra, which, along with Hollywood's treatment of the gun, is making it popular with gang bangers and other low lifes.
On the other hand, it would be a great addition to a collection or for a target pistol to turn heads on a firing line.
The DE IS a target pistol, It was designed to be as such. fixed barrel gas opperated semi auto. I'd like to add a .357 DE to my collection some day, not for what Hollywood say's it is, but because it would be a fun target pistol. Now the Glock on the other hand is overrated. Thats how I voted.
Vincent Black
05-06-2005, 19:37
I voted HK. Way too overrated and overpriced IMO. I think it's really funny that so many people picked GLOCK. I have owned several in different calibers before finally getting a GLOCK 17. None of the ones that I have had ever failed to feed or eject and were stone cold reliable. The guns do exactly as advertised. Now I have to agree that the grip doesn't suit everyone, but it just felt right to me. ;) I don't know of a more reliable, rust resistant weapon other than the Walther P99. (The German made ones are also Tennifer treated like the GLOCKS.)
I must agree that the DE should be on the list, had one for about 4 years and never could hit anything with it, as for Glocks, I poo pooed them for years, now out of the 23 handguns in the safe 2 of them are glocks, a 19 and a 23, I found that once I got past the ugly plastic gun stage and actually gave them an honest try that I find them to be the most reliable handguns I have ever owned in semi auto. My 2 cents
SMITH+WESSON way over priced, I can Buy A Ruger for half that, or two for one.
Taquito971
05-13-2005, 10:48
I must be the owner of all the over-rated guns. I own a Glock 22, Beretta 92FS, and an HK USP in 40. AND I LOVE THEM ALL :wub:
Brian
auto40cal
05-24-2005, 13:41
:2guns:
I have a little over 15 auto handguns including 2 gold cup 1911's modified to the hilt ,a couple sigs, beretta 92fs, HK, springfield Xd 357 and so on, out of all the guns I have ever shot I love the Glock 22 40cal. as well as the new glock 37 .45gap tough as hell guns and shoot box stock better than any of my fleet.The new glock hanguns are a much more confortable better fit in the hand than the older version I admit. To me there is no other like Glock combat hanguns bar none.
just my 2 cent worth,
Aucto40cal
Glock
you can't shoot reloads in the Glocks but I can shoot them in my Ruger P91.
-tri :usa:
Originally posted by tri70@Jun 9 2005, 10:18 AM
Glock
you can't shoot reloads in the Glocks but I can shoot them in my Ruger P91.
-tri :usa:
So?
Porche ain't overrated because it requires premium gas. By your reasoning a
Geo Metro is better than a Porche because it takes regular gas.
-Stooxie
breechplug
01-13-2006, 11:01
Glock the gun gang banger's prefer <_<
ShootinDave
01-13-2006, 17:10
Beretta.....
I am suprised at the 1911 votes.... didnt think there was a better gun to be had.... :blink: :D
- Dave
FatDaddy
01-13-2006, 20:24
Overated! Every one listed is on my want list. Exept the Beretta. I had a made in usa version 92fs. Honestly my Taurus pt-92 seemed to be the better made of the two.
Someone needs to start a most underated poll, whereas Ruger gets my vote.
Metaldoc
01-15-2006, 18:30
Glock. Popular because it's trendy IMO. And apparently you are supposed to shoot them holding them on their side. That's all you see portrayed. And before you all jump on me, I know that's just Hollyrot. But what's up with that anyway?
Call me old fashioned ( I don't care ), I'm with Shoot'n Dave..... the 1911, none better. :D
SPARTEN117
01-15-2006, 19:47
Sig's are awsome ;) , 1911 even better:wub:, glock's are alright <_< , but have too light a triger for a gun with no safty.
adaman04
01-15-2006, 20:43
I don't think Glocks are over rated at all. I will admit, I used to. But, you just can't crap on the reliability of them. They're great guns all together.
I can feel the flame coming, but I voted for the 1911. I love 1911's, they're awesome, but some of them are ridiculously priced for what you get. Most all brands have had function recalls on them at least once. 1911 vs. Glock in an all day shooting reliability test, there's no doubt in my mind that Glock would come out on top. 1911's require being "my kind of clean", which is pretty darn clean, to function 100%. $1200 bucks for a "custom" gun that took very little R&D irks me. Just because you shot it with some green finish that won't scrape off with a key and put on some aftermarket parts I could install at home, doesn't impress me that much.
I'm defnitely going to own 1911s but I still think the price is a little high on a lot of them.
devildogmech
01-15-2006, 20:46
Originally posted by Az_Guns@Dec 16 2004, 01:57 PM
Well actually the 1911 has been out of service for more than 10 years now. The MAJORITY of the SecOps guys do NOT use them. They could if they wanted to but there not. Most are using Sigs and Berettas.....
AZGUNZ,
I dont know about most spec ops guys, but MY Recon brothers carry 1911's. The 9mm just wasnt big enough for em. The way Marine Recon looks at it, is a pistol is a last ditch OMG i'm gonna die but I'm taking a few of em with me kind of weapon. A bunch of operators decided that the .45 is a better wepon to do it with.
BTW, I have fired an acurized USMC Issue 1911. OMG what a sweet weapon!!!! It helps when your roomie in the baracks was a Recon armorer :D
Billy
PS I know this came up kinda late in the thread. Sorry
Originally posted by adaman04@Jan 15 2006, 07:43 PM
I don't think Glocks are over rated at all. I will admit, I used to. But, you just can't crap on the reliability of them. They're great guns all together.
I can feel the flame coming, but I voted for the 1911. I love 1911's, they're awesome, but some of them are ridiculously priced for what you get. Most all brands have had function recalls on them at least once. 1911 vs. Glock in an all day shooting reliability test, there's no doubt in my mind that Glock would come out on top. 1911's require being "my kind of clean", which is pretty darn clean, to function 100%. $1200 bucks for a "custom" gun that took very little R&D irks me. Just because you shot it with some green finish that won't scrape off with a key and put on some aftermarket parts I could install at home, doesn't impress me that much.
I'm defnitely going to own 1911s but I still think the price is a little high on a lot of them.
As much as I LOVE my Kimber 1911 I have to agree with this. If the 1911 was
so great, then why isn't the Springfield GI enough?
I think the 1911 is top ranking among Glock and Sig (etc) but I think a lot of
it's fanbase loyalty comes from nostalgia. They way people go on about
the Creator (JMB) and how "if it was good enough for WWII then it's good enough
for me." Frankly, I'm scared of anything that was good enough in WWII! I'd
rather have today's technology, thank you very much!
I think I've said it already in this thread, but you don't see any $1200 Glocks. They
are reliable out of the box. Same with Sig. The slide on my Sig 226 ST is machined
so nicely that I almost can't get it on the frame if I don't line it up just right. It
was not a $2500 gun.
That being said, I have a 1911 and Glock and a Sig. It's the only way to win! :)
-Stooxie
adaman04
01-16-2006, 09:23
Well put stooxie! :2guns:
garza1290
01-25-2006, 07:03
About the poll, I can't really vote against any of the brands listed due to the fact that I have not owned or fired all brands listed. I'm sure that every gun brand listed has many fine firearms. I personally can't understand what all the fuss is all about...I mean who really cares anyway. It seems to me that polls such as this one are ment for bragging rights ( either to reinforce likes or dislikes for a certain brand ) and nothing more. I personally own a sig p220 and p226. I also own a glock 26 and 17. A good friend of mine owns a h&k usp compact and I think its great! I have fired a number of smith and wesson semi-autos and revolvers several times, as well as ruger P series semi-autos. Hell, I'm currently in the process of saving up for a S&W semi-auto. Beretta makes fine pistols as well, I used the M9 in the service and I found it was reliable, comfortable and well made. I feel that non of these brands so far is over rated at all. As for the other brands listed I really can't say anything bad about them because I have never fired any of their products yet and I am not the kind of person that repeats negativity based on what I have heard from others who have personal biases. I also believe that saving up my hard earned money for a sig ( or two ) does not makes me a "yuppie", I buy sig ( among others) because I happen to like them. I think we have the right to like or dislike anything we want so forgive me if I step on your toes but I think people who make such claims suffer from some degree of envy. "To each his own right!"
gunrun45
02-06-2006, 02:10
Gotta be sig. Good gun, good accuracy. Crappy finish and too pricey. I've owned guns from all makes listed and Sig was the only one I sold and wouldn't trust my life with. I once carried one in the rain that had a worn finish. I stood on the freeway for 2 hours doing traffic control and got REALLY wet. When I was off-duty I got changed and left my P220 on the shelf in my locker without drying it out first (it was a REALLY warm locker room) When I got back to work the next day the hammer was rusted to the slide and I had to smack the muzzle against a wood table to break it loose. I'll pass thanks and buy 3 glocks, 2 Berettas, 1 colt, 1 H&K or beat someone with any of the above and "borrow" a Ruger.
The most overrated semi auto hadgun? - The Desert Eagle.
SPARTEN117
02-06-2006, 10:34
Gotta be sig. Good gun, good accuracy. Crappy finish and too pricey. I've owned guns from all makes listed and Sig was the only one I sold and wouldn't trust my life with. I once carried one in the rain that had a worn finish. I stood on the freeway for 2 hours doing traffic control and got REALLY wet. When I was off-duty I got changed and left my P220 on the shelf in my locker without drying it out first (it was a REALLY warm locker room) When I got back to work the next day the hammer was rusted to the slide and I had to smack the muzzle against a wood table to break it loose. I'll pass thanks and buy 3 glocks, 2 Berettas, 1 colt, 1 H&K or beat someone with any of the above and "borrow" a Ruger.
that sound like a flook. You should have sent it to sig. I never had that problem and i used to take mine out in the snow all the time. That said you should have wiped it down with a rag or towle or something.
Wonderful gun 100 years ago or so - kinda been surpassed by new technology and design.
Mr Browning was a genius, but I doubt he would have stayed with the 1911 design if he had lived longer - he would have used new technology and new metallurgy / polymers / titanium to make more reliable firearms.
Nothing wrong with nostalgia - I just don't live in the past. So my duty weapon is a high cap .45 Glock that has the same trigger pull with every shot, never rusts and reliably feeds any ball OR hollow point ammo. Out of the box. Without trigger jobs or special springs or feed ramp polishing.
It just works.
PS - I would feel comfortable with a Sig, I just can't afford one.
gunrun45
02-08-2006, 14:49
that sound like a flook. You should have sent it to sig. I never had that problem and i used to take mine out in the snow all the time. That said you should have wiped it down with a rag or towle or something.
Not really. My department issues them out and all have had finish problems.
As a side note I have had the same problem with finishes on any of my guns (Glock, H&K, Ruger, etc...) only the Sig. The other Depts in our county that issue them say the same. Good shooters and accurate but not the best finish.
SPARTEN117
02-08-2006, 15:37
I ment the rusting
astronomer
02-08-2006, 18:43
Smith + Wesson over price, to exspensive, for what you get ,but very good quality.
gunman42782
02-10-2006, 01:51
I think all of the guns listed are good guns, but I don't like ANY plastic pistol. I think both the HK and Glock are a bit overated. The Sig too. I think Ruger and Smith and Wesson make excellant autos, although I am not crazy about the S and W mag disconnect, but Ruger has went to that too on their new gun. I guess I am prejudiced in favor of American guns. But from all accounts, they are all excellant pistols.
LonePathfinder
02-19-2006, 21:16
I voted for the 1911. It has such a fanboy following that blows its ok traits out of the water. Glock lovers are a close second.
The gun is a great combat gun as originally built pre-WWI. Many 1911 clones out there are not reliable out of the box unless its a high end model. And those high end models easily out price most HK's. It has limiting features in todays world. Cocked and locked is a great carry method, but it can't fire with the hammer down. A USP can do both if the user desires. 1911's are not the end all and be all of pistol design. Its just annoying when people suggest it is. The 1911 does have a great after market industry built up around it though.
Glocks are OK guns for what they are, cheap hand gun for the masses. I do love how they have made the full size mags work in the compact models. I dislike a lack of external thumb activated saftey and a exposed hammer I can cock and decock.
Sigs are good guns, but I dislike their ergonomics. If their controls were like a 1911 or a USP I would use them.
HK's are expensive but they are worth what you get. I do not think their reputation is over rated in anyway. They are one of the most accurate out of box guns. They can be carried cocked and locked, hammer down and safety off. Plus they have more rounds than a 1911. I dislike the proprietary rail. A lot of their price is in very tight tolerances. A lot of HK long guns are over rated though.
I do find it amusing people talking about "plastic" guns. This is 2006, composites have come a long way. How many of you drive cars with "plastic" bumpers? Anything that would damage or break a modern "plastic" gun would render a metal gun inop to. Plastics are cheaper to make.
I voted 1911- Dont like a gun that has to be tuned to shoot. Not saying all of them do, but alot of the ones I've seen had to go to a smith from one time to another to get tuned right, and still only able to shoot 230gr ammo. I have a glock and a springfeild XD45, neither have let me down, the glock has over 2500 rounds through it and still looks and fires like new. Can't beat simplicity of todays technology, Period.
All the people hating plastic frames, what are motorcyle helmets made of? Plastic is tough, bottom line.
Chuck
Zymurgist
02-24-2006, 22:09
I have not fired enough of the listed guns to post an accutate rating. However, if I was in a dangerous situation in which I needed to rely on my pistol, I am completely confident in my Glock. No cumbersome safties to fiddle with and no need to worry if it has not been care for idealy. Reliablity is important to me.
Metalhead
02-27-2006, 17:20
I voted Beretta.... Why you ask? They were put into service with are armed forces and came up short ( open slide design allows for foreingn debris to jam in the action, problems with weak mag springs and in early accounts slides were cracking , could have been out of spec. ammo. loaded to +p). The sig was actually better in all the tests but Beretta agreed to build a factory here in the U.S. and knocked a little off there final price- So now we must all believe that it's great cause the military used it . Since the deal, the military still has 1911's, Sigs,HK and probably some S&W revolvers and the M9 Beretta was supposed to be all of these......
I also thought the vote was a little vague with the exception of the 1911 design. some of those companies have a few different designs like S&W : revolver,pistols (plastic or steel) and also the 1911...
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