tactics

[Dorkface]

so does anyone have any favorite tricks or techniques?

[adaman04]

Could ya be a little more specific Dorkface? Rifle, shotty, handgun, etc.

[Dorkface]

im not looking for anything specific. just trying to spur some conversation about it since i dont know a whole lot.

[Metaldoc]

Okay, I'll see if I can get the ball rolling.

This is more of a tip, I guess, but I think it's important to stay in good physical condition. You can't shoot well if you are heaving from being out of breath and you will not be as attuned to your surroundings if you're pooped out.

While important for hunting, it's probably even more important for SHTF scenarios when you need to be able to move quickly and think clearly without being in a state of exhaustion. :ph34r:

Just my thoughts.

Metaldoc :usa:

[adaman04]

Well I am no expert and to many, I'm sure I would be considered "Wet behind the ears" but I still pay a lot of attention. I would have to agree that being in good shape is a plus. This goes in conjunction with what I was going to add. KEEP MOVING! Learn to move and shoot. When it comes to tactical situations, you will probably need to be very mobile. Also, muzzle control as always. Whether it be a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, keep your muzzle down. I like about a 30-45 degree angle down. I also like to keep the butt of my long guns almost rested on top of my shoulder, near the cheek. It keeps the rifle ready to shoulder and makes for quick target acquisition. If I think of more stuff I will add it. :D

[Dorkface]

tips are welcome too. thanks for the replys so far.

a friend and i keep saying we need to set up a course when we go into the mountains but we never get up there early enough to plan anything out hehe.

[adaman04]

I would love to have a mock house/building with movable walls so I could change the setup after I got so used to to. Ahhh if I were a rich man. :lol:

[Dorkface]

now that would be cool. about the best my friend and i would beable to do would be to find a good trail with good blind curves and proper hills for back stops. that way we could change target positions for each other. and i agree i wish i would win the lottery... but i guess i would have to play it first... <_<

[scruffy]

One thing I would recommend would be to take up hunting. It'll teach you woodsmanship for starters. Finding tracks, trails, other "sign", etc. It'll also teach you survival. Every December I deer hunt it's very cold. Some years it's up to -15 to -20 below when you head out at 5:00am. The high for the day may only be 5 degrees. It tests your skills, your equipment, and your will. Hunting is alot more than just killing something.

It will also teach you stalking, concealment, movement minimalization, teach you when you can move and when you can't, teach you how much noise you make and how to minimalize it. How to hide, how to sneak, how to ambush. Using terrain as a funnel to both get close to and avoid creatures.

Not only will you learn from doing but from watching. I've watched 200+lb deer avoid detection by keenly sensitive and alert coyotes. Also, when the prey is detected you'll learn by observation how they escape. Rabbits and deer don't survive by running a straight line through the woods...

You'll learn, like a big buck, how to position yourself to use all of the terrain as your defense, both in detecting danger and eluding it.

Not to mention actually using your rifle, shotgun, handgun, knifes, saws, etc. My rifles and shotguns are well honed tools for hunting. I have no doubt they will perform flawlessly in the field whenever I step out to go hunting or call apon them for defense. :ar15:

You remember back in school (a while back for some of us) and learning how the british hated the american colonies troops? How the american troops, a bunch of hunters and woodsman, picked apart the larger, well equiped, well trained, british army and totally demoralized them. Granted, the british ran around in red suits out in the open, but even if they wore green and kept their heads down they would be no match for a group of well seasoned hunters and woodsman on their home turf.

Millitary strategy works well for millitary warefare between two armies, but for survival go learn from those that fight that battle every day, head to the woods.

Just my viewpoint, I love to hunt.

later,
scruffy

[mikey66]

well spoken scruffy!!!A lot of the things I learned in the army as an infantryman just don't apply to a civilian SHTF scenario...but then again, a lot does.You mentioned a friend that you goof around with.A "battle buddy" is very important to survival/resistance kind of situation.someone you can trust to watch your six.You need to train,study, hang out and party with this person,getting to know the way they think,move,eventually you develop a sort of mind link with them,communcating without any words.
other than that I think what scruffy said.Even if you aint actually hunting,just getting out in the woods or camping.what we call woodsrunning.
another thing I would recommend is having an occasional "dress rehearsal".
make a up a likely scenario and then act out the way you would handle it in real life.this will give you an idea of where you need work and what is totally unworkable.besides,it can be a lot of fun :D :sniper:
:rapid:
:cannon:
:ar15:
:2guns:
:beer:
:cool:

[Scout12]

All those Ideas sound great. A great way to test all this is to use paint ball guns. They will show if you really are covered or concealed. There is no way to test it all unless you are getting rounds in your direction. Put everything together and I think it will improve your tactics greatly. As always pratice and MUZZLE DISIPLINE. :sniper:

[Dorkface]

anyone have any links to places that discribe tactics and situations?

[kravman4]

I agree with scout about paintball guns being a good training tool, but for goodness sake, take off the freakin' two hundred round hopper! Nothing annoys me more than seein' guys go through 600+ rounds in a 5 minute game! Nothing practical about that! <_<

[iceman]

Everyone here has made valid points, but I think one has been missed. How about practice? Practice, practice and more practice. I'm not talking about sitting and going for the best grouping you can get. I'm talking about moving and shooting, shooting from cover while staying concealed. How many have fired after running and their heart rate is raised and they have laboured breathing. I remember the first time I did this in training and it was an eye opener. These are the sort of techniques which have to be practiced so that when the time comes that they are needed (hopefully never I might add) they become second nature. It's one thing to hit the "10" at 100 yds with controlled breathing. It's an entirely different matter to hit the "10"with your heart rate at 130 beats per minute. Just my two cents worth. Any thoughts guys?

[Taquito971]

Originally posted by iceman@Aug 31 2004, 03:42 AM
Everyone here has made valid points, but I think one has been missed. How about practice? Practice, practice and more practice. I'm not talking about sitting and going for the best grouping you can get. I'm talking about moving and shooting, shooting from cover while staying concealed. How many have fired after running and their heart rate is raised and they have laboured breathing.
I have, and I do regularly. Probably once a month. And less intesive shooting once a month. I typically run through 200 rounds of pistol ammo(whichever I'm training with) 50 rounds of shotgun and 200 rounds of Rifle ammo. That will probably increase when I get my next pistol. I hope to get familiar with it over the weekend and go through around 1000 rounds. Practice is paramount. Get out there!

Brian

[kravman4]

Excellent point iceman. Practice hard, and practice.

"You will never rise to the occassion, you will fall to the level of your training."

Sifu Jeff Martin - Brand X Martial Arts (http://66.75.227.32/main.php)

[Swordslinger]

Originally posted by Dorkface@Aug 23 2004, 07:32 AM
anyone have any links to places that discribe tactics and situations?
You can try ar15.com in the tactical forums section, or www.tacticalforums.com (http://www.tacticalforums.com).

[special poop]

www.warriortalk.com it's really good

[TPW]

It all sounds great guys, until somebody shoots back.

[YourLocalNerd]

Originally posted by TPW@Dec 22 2004, 02:19 AM
It all sounds great guys, until somebody shoots back.
LOL

Quite right, there always is the "pucker facter"...

[Dorkface]

Originally posted by TPW@Dec 22 2004, 12:19 AM
It all sounds great guys, until somebody shoots back.
true but if you always practice to the point it becomes a reflex then no matter what happens you will always fall back on your training or so they say.

[BlenderWizard]

Originally posted by scruffy@Aug 6 2004, 03:28 PM
You remember back in school (a while back for some of us) and learning how the british hated the american colonies troops? How the american troops, a bunch of hunters and woodsman, picked apart the larger, well equiped, well trained, british army and totally demoralized them. Granted, the british ran around in red suits out in the open, but even if they wore green and kept their heads down they would be no match for a group of well seasoned hunters and woodsman on their home turf.

Millitary strategy works well for millitary warefare between two armies, but for survival go learn from those that fight that battle every day, head to the woods.

Just my viewpoint, I love to hunt.

later,
scruffy
Yeah, along those same lines, take a look at the movie "The Patriot." It's a good movie, and it talks about how the Brits were mad and getting beaten because our soldiers "wouldn't fight like gentlemen." War is no place for a gentleman.

[lendell]

Seems to me in all these movies, the gentlemen are the ones who die first.

[Interceptor]

Originally posted by kravman4@Aug 26 2004, 02:41 PM
I agree with scout about paintball guns being a good training tool, but for goodness sake, take off the freakin' two hundred round hopper! Nothing annoys me more than seein' guys go through 600+ rounds in a 5 minute game! Nothing practical about that! <_<
Having been a paintball player since 88, and having also been on scene with hot rounds flying overhead while I tried my best to become one with the pavement and cover my lane, I can tell you that paintball and the real thing are NOTHING alike. I'm annoyed by the tourney guys with the fancy clothes, but I find the guys who look like delta force to be just as annoying. They try to realism. They have no clue. Same with the airsoft guys. It takes forever for a 30 rd magazine to go empty when its sawing cars apart around you, yet you can dump a 200 rd hopper in just a few seconds on a paintball gun. I think that incident has changed my outlook on alot of things :huh:

To a point, its possible for paintball to be used for training. Mainly for me, it taught me to thing on my feet. But there is a world of difference all the way around when you can't wipe off the hit and start over.

Just something to think about.

[special poop]

Just picked up one of those Airsoft semi-auto "soft" pellet rifles - M16MK4. It is great for home defense practice, when the wife is out. You really understand how best to clear your own space if you are ever under intruder attack. You can even pull the trigger and the little pellets do little if any damage.

[Zipper]

Spoken like a true profesional.

Whats going on, are you all preparing for war or Armegeddon in the USA?
Come to South Africa, the normal day to day life here is a matter of survival, here we get on the spot training by driving or walking in Johannesburg, if you fail your training, your family will have a funeral.
Greetings

[IYAAYAS]

Everyone here has made valid points, but I think one has been missed. How about practice? Practice, practice and more practice. I'm not talking about sitting and going for the best grouping you can get. I'm talking about moving and shooting, shooting from cover while staying concealed. How many have fired after running and their heart rate is raised and they have laboured breathing. I remember the first time I did this in training and it was an eye opener. These are the sort of techniques which have to be practiced so that when the time comes that they are needed (hopefully never I might add) they become second nature. It's one thing to hit the "10" at 100 yds with controlled breathing. It's an entirely different matter to hit the "10"with your heart rate at 130 beats per minute. Just my two cents worth. Any thoughts guys?

Nailed it right on the head brother. You have to practice. Worry about tactics and strategy later. First become utterly comfortable and familiar with you weapon of choice. You have to use it to accomplish this. Practice shooting from every conceivable position. Prone, sitting, standing up, rested and off hand. Also practice re loading endlessly. Swapping magazines when you are in a combat situation can be difficult. The more you practice this (as with all things including shooting) the easier it will be when you are under stress. Especially re loading. In a fire fight its crucial to do this quickly. The longer you fumble around trying to fit your magazine in and get your weapon back on line the the more vulnerable you are. And if you drop it theres a good chance you wont have time to pick it up or fish out another mag before your body resembles swiss cheese. You can practice swapping mags at home too, no need for range time for this. Make sure your weapon is safe (no round in the chamber) and use a few EMPTY mags. Practice swapping them out. You want to be able to do this smoothly from a variety of positons. Practice this until you can do this by feel only. This is important. If you are looking at your weapon, you arent looking at the enemy, which means you wont know what he's doing. A couple of seconds is all it takes to get wasted.
The same holds true for the rest of your gear as well. If you are using a tactical vest wear it often so you can modify it to suit your needs. Get comfortable with it. Know where everything is, so you can get what you need quickly.
The last thing I'll say is war game. Plan out different scenarios in your head all the time. No matter where you are. Make plans for as many situations as you can. Say you stop at a store on you way home from work to get milk. Think about what you would do if someone tried robbing the place while your there. Or what if someone breaks into your house? Natural diaster? What if civil war breaks out? Where can you go? How do you get there? What will you need to survive? Always be aware of your surounding. Escape routes? Cover? Choke points? Stay frosty my freind and make this your motto "hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst"