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MR. BRENNEKE
03-13-2004, 12:10
The Birth of a Minuteman - by Ty Benabe http://www.nycasa.com/

At the time of the L.A. riots, I was working as a community service aide for the kings county district attorneys office. During my lunch hour it was common to find me outside 210 Joralemon street, smoking a cigarette before I entered the building to go back to work. And It was here for the first time that I realized that the system, that civil society was, for the most part, an illusion.

The falsehood that my safety was secured by institutions in place to respond to crisis was shattered forever, in exchange for the sight of some three to four hundred youths running down the length of Fulton street (a shopping center in brooklyn ) breaking storefront windows as they rampaged in my direction. Watching the NYPD hastily retreat , It was then that I realized that my safety, the defense of my life, was first and foremost dependent on me. I realized that when society begins to fracture, it will be in the end, every man for himself.

I acted on this experience and shortly after, purchased my first firearm . And began to feel for the first time, secure in my own home. I felt empowered now to respond to the kinds of naked aggression and hostility seen so many times before. On the evening news and documented footage and literature over the lessons of history. I may not be able to control the evils of the world, but should it find its way to my door. It will meet resistance to say the least. And I was not going to be a non-responsive victim. I was not going to rely on my telephone and pray for somebody, some unseen government entity to rescue me. I was going to defend my life, my home, my family and property. And now, if needed, my nation.

With that mindset, It was then that I joined the ranks of some 80 million armed Americans. I was now a part of a force, unlike any on the face of the earth. I was now truly an American citizen. In possession of the greatest tangible symbol of liberty to be had. And I was now also the greatest threat to those spokes of the government machine that seeks to enslave mankind. That political mechanism born with every generation since the beginning of supposed "civilization" to render helpless, control, enslave and kill the concept of individual liberty. Something you become keenly aware of when you exercise your second amendment rights. A level of discrimination not seen in my opinion since slavery. But as the battle to end slavery continues today, we gun owners from every walk of life endure. Struggling to preserve the very freedoms of those who hate and fear us.

The obvious question from all this is what hope of converting the unwashed minds from the anti-gun movement. A movement steeped in misinformation. Hysteria and the notion that the less ability you have to defend your life, family and country, the better you will be? Despite the daily information we see and hear on the corruption of elected officials, government agencies and lethal abuses by many in the law-enforcement community (which has over the past ten years become increasingly militarized and controlled by the federal government rather than the state). What more convincing do those sitting on the fence need to understand the necessity of a fully armed citizenry? Im not talking about hunting here.

On september 11th, within a matter of minutes, the world trade center collapsed into history. Taking with it the lives of thousands. In a matter of seconds, over 400 police, fire and paramedic public servants perished forever. Leaving an instant shortage of crucial personal emergency services. What I learned again, as I did before, that at any moment, society can break down. And had the terrorist managed to to destroy other structures. As well as the power grids to the city and endured a week without power in addition to the attacks, what then? Who would be left to maintain order? We can quickly conclude that It would not take much by the enemies of this nation to bring the system to its knees. I say the "system". Not the American people.

When I hear of "homeland security", it is not Tom Ridge that I think of. It is not the national guard, the navy, the marines or any of the multi-billion dollar toys of the pentagon that come to mind. The second amendment does. The original "homeland security". The security not of the government, but of and for the American people to effectively wage war against any enemy, any foe who would seek to enslave or destroy our way of life. The second amendment reigns as the premier tool of liberty and self-government. It is the TEETH that follows the spoken word of our constitution ( I could not fear a toothless PIT-BULL, could you?) but I digress.

In the grand scheme of things, sitting at home on my sofa with a firearm nearby, this may not seem that important to many. That is and always will be, until something happens. Unfortunately, most folks dont get it until its too late. They will wait until it is no-longer possible to access firearms to act. They will be informed long after the fact, that they must wait to get "permission" to own one. The very same gun control measures that they supported through their anti-gun politicians may now cost them their lives and the lives of family members. All in the name of "safety".

A minuteman was a citizen. Armed with rifles. Well stocked with ammunition and able to be ready to respond to a crisis within 60 seconds..... I can be ready in 20.

Kalifornia Citizen
03-13-2004, 13:47
Welcome to the ranks of the Minutemen. It's really a matter of attitude and personal commitment to be a Minuteman. To be armed for your own personal protection is imperative. To give a whit about your country is important, but don't expect your country to value your committment.

You say that we're a force of 80 million gun owners? How many would turn in their firearms if the right politician came along singing cum-ba-ya? I haven't seen any statistics on how many gun owners either registered or turned in their "assualt weapons" when Kalifornia passed ex-post-facto laws to make it a felony to possess legally-purchased semi-automatic rifles. That would be a measure of public resistance to gun bans if we knew those statistics!

I fear that we don't have a chance when the next gun-banning president gets elected. However, I'm encouraged to see that the "Assault Weapon" ban was defeated in Maryland just this month.

I've been involved in petition drives to put the "Assault Weapon" ban on the public ballot here in KA. It was forced on us by our gun-banning politicians. After it was forced on us, we tried to get it on the ballot so the citizens could vote yea or nea. Isn't that democracy? That's the same process that we used to boot out our corrupt governor, by the way. You'd be surprised how few attendees to a gun show are willing to put their name on a petition. I assume that every person that walks into a gun show is a gun owner, and only about 10% cared enough to put their signature on the line. No, when it comes to risk of life or limb, nobody's going to stand up to terrorists, much less a wave of little mean guys wearing a red star.

I don't have much faith in Minutemen saving America from terrorists. They can't or they won't get involved in Homeland Security. Have you noticed, Tom Ridge hasn't asked for a single citizen volunteer! Not even to stand guard with nothing but a radio at a train station!

And we gun-owners still keep voting for the same politicians that put gun-owners in jeopardy of a felony if they don't follow every single little gun law!

If some major catastrophe happens, it's going to be every man for himself. Try to form a little band of volunteers, and you'll likely be taken out by state or federal police. Sorry to burst any bubbles of patriotism, but that's how the Feds train our police. They don't recognize any armed citizens as friendlies. :ph34r:

KC
:usa:

swill269
03-13-2004, 17:04
:o
i am proud to be from a state which allows cities to pass laws like kennesaw ga has nearly 20 yrs ago. it is against the law for any citizen of kennesaw who can legaly own a weapon not to. crime is extremely low there. criminal's worst fears are armed victims. i love to read the "ARMED CITIZEN" in american rifleman. this should be published in every big city news paper and read on air. this is real america.
:cool:

MR. BRENNEKE
03-13-2004, 18:40
Originally posted by Kalifornia Citizen@Mar 13 2004, 02:47 PM

How many would turn in their firearms if the right politician came along singing cum-ba-ya? I fear that we don't have a chance when the next gun-banning president gets elected.
Clinton sang cum-ba-ya, it backfired. Bush wants the AW ban but wont push it. He does not want to be like his daddy. A one term president. B)

I have one word for any future president who would advance a policy of the national confiscation of firearms. Secession. :ar15:

Kalifornia Citizen
03-14-2004, 23:43
I thought President Lincoln settled the philosophical argument about secession. With the blood of more Americans in any war, before or since. Surely, you don't want to try it again.

KC

MR. BRENNEKE
03-18-2004, 15:04
The battle to end slavery is an ongoing one. :(

Kalifornia Citizen
03-18-2004, 22:40
Amen to that, Mr. Brenneke. Freedom requires sacrifice in each and every generation.

I wish I knew a sure fire way to guarantee freedom. It seems every trick is being used to subvert America from the inside. Our worst enemies are from within America's institutions of government, education, and business. They are more dangerous than al-Qaeda because they speak our same language, their deception is disquised as social justice, and they act ever so cautiously to subvert our freedoms, one small step at a time. They know that to act dramatically would cause a firestorm of protest. They are ever so intelligent and advance their cause with sincerity.

The America in which my father grew up is on the verge of extinction by the left wing. They are gearing up for a total conversion to Socialism, and so many people say, "What's wrong with that?"

My simple answer is: Our traditions made America the greatest country in the world with more freedoms for more people than in any other country. Our freedoms give us the highest standard of living in the world. Our standard of living gives us more time to complain about our government and our freedoms protect us from being thrown in a dungeon for complaining.

Socialism would take away our freedoms and diminish our standard of living. Those are good enough reasons for me to oppose the Socialist's cure.

KC

swill269
03-19-2004, 06:54
:o
i guess when you are on top there is no where else to go but down. :lol:

socialism requires a larger tax base to support. social security is running out and it is one of our socialized programs.

we need leaders not politicians. that's why the more we turn over the presidency the better chance we have of getting a fix soon maybe.

i am not happy with what is going on now but like everyone else; we do what we can and hope for the best.

i am glad i don't have personal children's futures to worry about but i do think about other's children. maybe one of those children will lead us down the path of righteousness. time will tell!
:cool:

MR. BRENNEKE
03-19-2004, 11:19
This is the last peaceful hope. B) http://www.lp.org/

swill269
03-19-2004, 11:40
:o
my fear is even IF a third party won the old staff would not play ball. too much political payout left under the table and new kid on the block syndrome would render him a lame duck IMHO.

they are smart, they know we're gonna shoot em in the end to acheive their goal. their gonna soften us up a little first. you know there is a plan in hand to change america, where and when will they execute is the question. i don't think an outsider (3rd party) would fit their pictures, however it could strike enough fear in the 2 parties to get their act together and take us seriously. "it could happen"
:cool:

surbat6
03-19-2004, 16:37
Alright, how many of you out there could not repress a chuckle during the L.A. riots when Californians ran to the gun shops and found out that, under a law the majority supported, they'd have to wait 2 weeks for a gun (ANY gun) to defend themselves from civil unrest that was happening right then?
2 lessons:
1. Buy in advance of need.
2. Beware of laws restricting your rights as a trade-off for so-called security.

mink442
03-21-2004, 20:04
Nice tag line Surbat6, I had a great chuckle after reading that. Just think of all that fertilizer that you could make if you were in that Dawn of the Dead movie!!

Anyway, I like the minuteman ideas quoted by many on this thread. I too believe that we are responsible for our own safety and cannot depend on others to provide it. I have a sufficient number of arms at this point as well as a concealed carry permit. I believe there are plenty of us out there now, but you never can tell because they carry them concealed, if at all. If we all carried our guns in exposed holsters like the old west, what then? Would we help promote gun ownership or be judged as an extremist by our peers?

I have recently carried my Winchester model 94 in a rifle rack in plain sight in my AWD Ford Expedition for over two weeks and no one said a word, even my co-workers who like shooting sports that often ride to lunch with me.

If a cop saw it, would he pull me over for no good reason? If I put an "Assault Rifle" in the rack, would it make a difference? Probably yes for both reasons. Add that to the fact that I have a sticker of the "Bonny Blue" flag of seccession on the back of the truck, it probably is a certainity. But I don't care, because it is all within my rights. The first cop to pull me over for simply displaying my firearm is going to get an earful. I'm a law abiding citizen and don't care to be unduly hassled.

I have one final story that is somewhat applicable and probably has been told by others. I live in the north Metro Atlanta area just south of the city of Kennesaw previously quoted. Anyway, about 5-7 years ago there City of Atlanta was converged upon by many for "Black College Spring Break" (What would happen if there was a place advertised for "White College Spring Break"??, but I digress). Anyway several hundred "students" descended on a local mall and began rioting. The busted out the main windows to Macy's and were stealing whole racks of clothes right infront of everybody. With not a cop around, a "minuteman" or "a good citizen", whatever you want to call him, went to his vehicle and came back with his "assault shotgun" and fired off a couple of rounds in the air. Instant end of looting and riot. The guy was even sure enough of himself to wait for the cops to arrive. The story has a happy ending because the first cop on the scene thanked the guy and told him to go on home without taking his name so as to not have to charge him with any firearm violations. Full story on the local news stations and in the paper with all kinds of credit given to the unknown man for stopping the outbreak singlehandely. That Macy's manager sure was appreciative!!


Lastly, I want to encourage all my fellow gun owners to be open and freely debate the anti-gunners or even just the gun fearful so that we can educate them. If guns are so bad, why do the cops and the military have them? I don't think secession is unreasonable if our 2nd Amendment rights get taken away by Federal Legislation. This issue is that important.

Keep fighting the good fight!! :usa:


Militia is not a bad word, Dumbass!!!

Carolinaboy
03-22-2004, 07:22
Amen, Mink442!

We have to continually take a calm, rational stance to explain things to the anti-gunners. Confront their errors and distortions with facts, in a peaceful, calm manner.

Waiting to pick my wife up one day, I was reading my latest copy of a gun mag, sitting in their lobby. One of the liberal whiners in the group (who came in late) saw me reading. The gutless wonder didn't say anything to me, but confronted my wife, saying "Do You know your Husband is out there READING A GUN MAGAZINE?!?"

Without missing a beat, she told him "if THAT disturbs you, Don't come to the House!!"

I routinely have a gun magazine to read while waiting in a public place, wear my NRA hat, etc.

I have had some pleasant conversations; spent a LOT of time clearing up misconceptions, and irritating anti--gun nuts. All in all, a lot of fun!! :lol:

MR. BRENNEKE
03-23-2004, 14:52
I dont have the patience for that. I usually just laugh out loud everytime there is a blackout. :D

swill269
03-24-2004, 17:28
:o
so that's what made shotguns popular in nyc, "BLACKOUTS". just stand guard in the living room rocking chair with the 12 ga. it all makes sense now. all the anti gunners are sitting ducks.

i remember seeing a store owner in the news during LA riots sitting on his roof top with shotgun.

i bet these blackouts really do upset a lot of people, i can't imagine.

:cool:

MR. BRENNEKE
03-26-2004, 00:38
The last blackout we had was the one that effected the entire east coast. We were lucky in that it only lasted about 12 hours. Had it lasted days or weeks, it would have got ugly. :unsure:

An example of many city people (mostly hard-core liberals) and myself at that time would be:

BLACKOUT HITS - I HAVE 3 CASES OF BATTERIES. LIGHTING FOR 4 WEEKS. WATER. GUNS.AMMO. AND ENOUGH FOOD FOR A MONTH.

THE LIBS?

BLACKOUT HITS - THEY DECIDE THEN THAT THEY NEED BATTERIES. FOOD. WATER. AND MANY REALIZE THAT OWNING A GUN WOULD NOT BE A BAD IDEA.

AND THEY STAND ON LINES WITH A LOOK OF FEAR ON THEIR FACES.

<_< IDIOTS AND COWARDS WILL NEVER LEARN.... sheep. :angry:

swill269
03-26-2004, 08:05
:o
yeah, sorry sheep at that. they know better and have been warned.

my old camp/fish station wagon is loaded with all of the same items to last me and the wife 2 weeks easy, 4 weeks if we stretch.

we had a major snow storm in 1982 and 14 people in the metro area died in their cars from exposure and carbon monoxide. none were more than 10 mi from food and fuel. mostly old people which paniced when they saw the snow and took off for the grocery store or something stupid and got stuck. i picked up my wife from her job and drove home, got a hot shower and a good nights sleep. the next morning i went back down town to the office and took six people home that had spent the night. i did not use a four wheel drive or even chains, just common sense. one lady lived 58 mi from work in the rural area on a dirt road. the road was covered with with about 6-8 in virgin snow. my 68 plymouth 4 door and i got her home safely.

about 90% of the people i run into could not find their butt with both hands in an emergency.

however i must admit a "BLACKOUT" in NYC rates a 10 on the pucker factor scale for me. :eek:
:cool:

magnomark
03-26-2004, 08:34
:lol: I think a prolonged blackout in NYC would be like watching the film Dawn of the DEAD,all of the zombies looking for food,and killing the "living"!!! <_< :sniper:

MR. BRENNEKE
03-27-2004, 10:59
It would be a horror. :unsure:

Once the food ran out, with no more deliveries being made into the city, marshal law would have to be declared just to keep the "zombies" from destroying the city. But we know that the NG could never contain a city this large. Wall street and Times Square maybe, but the rest of us are on our own.