View Full Version : STOP SUPPORTING THE NRA!!!
MR. BRENNEKE
10-09-2003, 02:18
Ever yell at your wife? Tell a doctor some private info? How bout get depressed from losing a family member?
The NRA is not your friend. :angry:
See Schumer Smile (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=3616)
swill269
10-09-2003, 08:39
:(
Can't trust anybody especially a governing body. We have become so repressed. At this rate the FBI will be equal to the cold war KGB in about 25 yrs. All it takes is a little vicious gosip to the right place and ptttttt you are gone! A 16 yr old girl rebels and the father punishes. Next thing you know he is arrested for incest and child molestation. So the girl lied to get back at the father for doing his job. Now the poor bastard is ruined for life, there is no justice!
Or on the other hand the father did molest the girl for years with the mother's knowledge and the church and state taught her to "Honor thy Mother and Father". With the little hope we have left I feel we are not long to be a "Free Nation".
:usa:
special poop
10-09-2003, 13:29
All I know is in the time I've been a card carrying member, I can no longer own an AR15, I can not own a magazine over ten rounds, I have to pay close attention to what can and can't go on my rifle and my rifle may very well be added to the list of banned guns next year. So basically I stopped wasting my money, I got out. An old coach used to always say "if your not part of the solution your part of the problem." I think we can pretty much conclude the NRA is part of the problem now.
Suspence
10-10-2003, 12:53
Sorry if I'm being naive here, :huh: but why is the NRA a bad thing? I was really thrown off track when I saw this post. Do you think it doesn't do enough to protect the 2nd? As far as I know the NRA is pretty stiff in this regard and doesn't make concessions to those who want more gun control.
swill269
10-10-2003, 13:27
;)
suspence,
go put your arrow on See Schumer Smile in the first post and left click. when you are done reading left click in the close box @ top right and you will return here. :rolleyes:
then see if your question has been answered. :(
:cool: :usa: :beer:
DocWagon
10-10-2003, 13:44
If not, try www.nrawol.com, or search the rkba web site for NRA information. The NRA is a sellout organization, only concerned with keeping its own members in money and power.
Suspence
10-10-2003, 16:38
Wow. I had no idea. Haha now the NRA is too liberal for me. It makes me so frustrated just to hear about anti-gunners' schemes and ideas. AAARGGG!!! :angry:
BTW I tried www.nrawol.com and it didn't work, so I tried www.nrawol.org and that worked.
I'll take what I can get. Time for me to renew my membership. Thanks for reminding me. NRA is the best we got. If you don't like where It's going be voting member and make your wishes known to them. Hate to sound like a moderate but there it is.
Jeff
:usa:
swill269
10-12-2003, 17:07
:o
yeah, the magazines are good, i'm a life member. :lol: i did not read about the political position of our leaders in any nra threads though. :eek: kinda blindsided us. <_<
:cool: :usa: :beer:
DocWagon
10-12-2003, 17:13
BTW I tried www.nrawol.com and it didn't work, so I tried www.nrawol.org and that worked.
Sorry for the bad link, the .org site you found is the one I meant.
NRA is the best we got
I sincerely hope that isn't true, because if so we'll lose. Gun rights will continue to be "compromised" away. For those who don't think the 2nd amendment should be subject to compromises, you might consider the GOA instead.
http://www.gunowners.org/ (I promise that's a good link.) :confused:
I have been a member of NRA for years, but this is the last straw. It seem their attitude is more and more "okay take their guns just don't take my benchrest target rifle, single shot 22, full choke bird gun, and bolt action deer rifle". I told by wife that I'm not renewing this year. This is one of the reasons that I'm not a life member of any group. :angry:
I'm also a member of TSRA and JPFO.
I have been happy with the way the legislative group of TSRA worked last regular session coordinating letter and email campaigns to put pressure to get legislation passed and blocking legislation that would put additional limits on our right to carry.
By far the most staunch 2nd Amendment rights (as well as all other rights) group of the three has been JPFO (http://jpfo.org/). I'm not jewish, but I do like the way this group thinks.
I have visited GOA and maybe I will join them as a replacement for NRA.
willyjixx
10-22-2003, 12:33
the NRA is a beuracratic parasite.
if the good folks of america wins the fight for the truth of the 2nd amendment in favor of all gun owners we will not need the NRA or the JPFO or the GOA.
an the NRA knows that. they are comfortable with there paychecks an life style. they realize as long as charade of putting up the good fight they can sit back an do there deals where they say a little bit of control is good for the overall fight. its BS an people are buying into it. isnt giving up some freedom good for the masses. they are in the sack with HCI an the Brady bunch. they scrub each others back for one common goal. GREED! your paycheck.
MR. BRENNEKE
11-01-2003, 15:35
The NRA has made an effort to keep gun control alive for its own fortunes. It is not interested in restoring our rights. It is apart of the machine.
"Gun Owners of America" on the other hand is a no compromise gun lobby. Along with the JPFO, KBA AND SAS, they are gaining ground in the fight as well as members.
FYI: The NRA supported and helped to pass the 1968 Gun Control Act. The very same document that is being compared line for line to the Nazi Gun Control Act 0f 1938. That is only the begining.
I was an NRA member at one time. Than I woke up. It hurt for awhile because being a member was almost like a religious experience. No matter what my friends told me about them, it was a matter of faith. I had to believe. Now I know better. B)
Throw their cash solicitations in the garbage. Give to GOA. Your childrens children will be glad you did.
AC_Pilot
11-03-2003, 09:40
I am new here and so I salute my brothers in arms on this site. :ph34r:
Brennekke said:
"The NRA has made an effort to keep gun control alive for its own fortunes. It is not interested in restoring our rights. It is apart of the machine"
I have known this for years, we dropped out of the NRA when they sold us out and were useless in the CA AWB in ~1990. We were with a grass roots group there and the NRA were pretty clear that we were just an annoyance !!! They at NRA indeed have their "fortunes" tied to gun control, and they don't want us "little people" defending our constitution! pay your dues and shut up! :huh:
What opinion do you most excellent (real) patriots have about the possible sunset of the federal AWB? What if it sunsets and then a demo wins the white house? Bush is indeed a skunk and I did not vote for him, but a demo would be actively out to quench our 2nd amendment fires.... what's the learned prognosis? :unsure:
MAJORMINUS
11-16-2003, 14:33
The NRA is just like GreenPeace, the World Wildlife Federation, and any other activist group that you can name. It is ran like a business and business is about money. Recently the NRA mailed out "free" copies of a TALES OF THE GUN series. I thought "Kcooool....." Then they sent me another letter wanting me to pay for it or send it back. So, I kept it and I didn't renew my membership. How can we change the NRA ?
airborneranger
11-27-2003, 03:47
think where wed be without the NRA, wed be subjects not citizens, without the NRA we would have no guns what so ever. to me as a life member of the NRA they have helped to keep the weapons and rights we still have. That said i too am not happy with the direction they have taken. I personally feel the leadership of the NRA has become so politicaly corrupt that its time for a change. They too have become worried with being politicaly correct and keeping their jobs they have lost site of their original mission. It seem that every time i turn around they want more money. I know it takes money to buy off politicians and that is basicly what is being done. Not just by the NRA but all a lobbiest is is a person that can leagaly give a bribe to politician, whether it be by giving a "campain contribution" or taking him to the titty bar and bying him drinks its all still a bribe but the NRA keeps coming to me a ordinary person for money, well they need to quit all their bull s*** like these high falutin dinners and sending their staff on african safaries and spend the money where it needs to be. Why dont Wayne LePeair give the procedes of his book to the NRA fund and so on, im very disapointed in the NRA but im glad that we have it. Thats just my opion.
I am a member of the NRA, but I don't believe that the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to bear arms. Rights are not granted by governments. If rights were granted by governments, they could just as easily take them away. When anti-gunners
state that the Supreme court has ruled that the 2nd Amendment doesn't give you the right to bear arms, they are telling a half-truth. If you believe that the 2nd Amend. gives you that right
you are falling into their trap. This is why the NRA's
position is weak. The half-truth I was referring to comes from the Cruikshank decision. True, the court ruled that the right to bear arms was not a right granted by the const., but most important and always ignored is the part that reads, "neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence". This means that the right to bear arms exists independently of the const. It is, like free speech, an inalienable right
we were endowed with by "our creator". I'm agnostic so I read that as a natural right. The 1st and 2nd Amend. are very similar in that they do not give us any rights. They only say that our rights cannot be infringed. This is the concept you need to win an argument against the antis.
You can't win with a position like the NRA's because people like Bill Maher will say, " so the constitution can be amended...". You can read "That every man be armed" by Stephen Halbrook for excellent coverage on this subject. Even if the 2nd amendment is abolished, our right to bear arms will still exist. It will be up to the people to decide if we will continue to have our rights infringed.
swill269
11-29-2003, 16:12
:o
20 years ago kennesaw, ga. passed a law stateing anyone who could legally own a hand gun, would own a hand gun. another city just passed the same type of law, i'm not sure where. if more cities and states pass laws like this it will become illegal NOT to own weapons. this is what the feds hope does not happen.
:cool: :usa: :beer:
Swill269, you make a good point. I told an anti-gun lawyer once that if the federal govt. ever outlawed
guns, our state would pass a
law or state const. amendment to make it mandatory to own firearms and with enough discretion to have the same effect as a constitutionally protected right. This, of course, will only buy us time.
Mr. Brenneke,
I don't mean to flame but I believe you are doing a dis-service to "the movement". The NRA might not be a perfect organization but they are certainly the most powerful at the moment. The other groups in this post all are good groups but they just don't have the clout on capital hill that the NRA has. They were instrumental in the failed challenge to the campaign finance law, they are actively fighting the renewal of the assault weapons ban, they are fighting the new bill HR2038 proposed by Representative McCarthy which would basically turn us all into criminals. They do a lot of good. Furthermore, the easiest way to get people into the pro-gun movement is to take them shooting. The NRA offers multiple programs, certifications, etc which aid in all of those efforts. They are also heavily involved with LEO training and certification. What better allies to have than your local police, sheriff, troopers, etc. My suggestion would be for you to rejoin and work from within to change it into the organization you want. At the same time, membership in all the other groups is equally important. This fight can not be won alone. We must all stand together or as Fred from "Fred's M14 Stocks" says: we will move from the soft war to the hard one. Once again, I mean no insult but just wish you would rethink your position.
Sincerely,
Brett :D
The NRA backed smear campaign and character assasination of the people behind the op citorai petition to SCOTUS regarding the ninth circuit court ruling that we do not have an individual RKBA has had me rethinking membership. I certainly will not give any more money to the ILA until the current board including Heston are removed. The current NRA leadership behave like a bunch of money grubbing congresscritters. They are entrenched and padding their pockets with large salaries and expense accounts while allowing erosion of the right that we are paying them to protect. This ruling in the ninth circuit must be overturned or there will soon be no reason for anyone in this district to be a member of the NRA. We will all be dead, disarmed or incarcerated; any any event there will no longer be reason to send dues to this bunch of beltway bandits.
Perhaps the afformentioned money grubbers realize that if SCOTUS actually ruled on RKBA the need for them would cease to exist.
The only reason to remain an NRA member is because they are the sanctioning body of a lot of shooting matches and you cannot join some shooting clubs without being a member.
swill269
12-15-2003, 09:09
:o
somebody said they stayed in for the insurance. how many people do you know that have been shot @ a NRA event. i beleive the theft insurance only pays what your homeowner's policy won't. which is usually your deductible. just another corporate beehive. the royal bees get everything, and the worker bees can eat sh*t and die.
protestors never got anywhere hiring representatives, you have to take it to the streets. our country is being repressed by jerk offs who could not find their ass with both hands in a well lit room. the people of the :usa: are becoming brain washed by washington dc's press (FCC). i don't believe a thing i hear and only half of what i see!
i can only hope that this new "X" generation's lack of focus and political commitment at this point in time will creat a major void in today's style of politics and government. this is the only way i can see the possibility of major reform in this country's way of thinking. short of a major citizen rebellion.
if you were broke down on the side of the road and someone stopped and said, "give me $25 and i will go to the nearest place and get you help" would you give it to them without agreeing to what the $25 would get you. would you give them any money at all for a NO guarantee or assurance deal. what have you gotten from NRA that you could not have done yourself. the only thing i see anyone defend the NRA about is THEIR voice/power in DC. and that's just it THEIR voice not mine.
They are not Talking the Talk or Walking the Walk of the majority of gun owners anymore. don't be a stupid worker bee! :(
Swill,
Just wanted to add to your statement concerning insurance and theft of firearms. Most homeowners policy have a firearm theft limit of 2500.00. They cover for full value for other perils but the limit comes into play in theft losses. You can have that increased with most companies by endorsement. I have seen some policies in the past were the limit was only 1,000.00 so you really need to check into it. One other thing, spend the extra money to have replacement cost for contents endorsed on to your policy. Most adjusters are unfamilar with firearms and will try to apply depreciation. What they don't realize is that firearms, especially older varieties are like artwork and must therefore be valued at market value. If you have the replacement cost coverage they really can't argue the point because you get the full replacement value (when you replace the gun). Hope this helps.
Brett :sniper:
MR. BRENNEKE
12-15-2003, 22:28
Originally posted by SKS182@Dec 14 2003, 11:42 AM
Mr. Brenneke,
I don't mean to flame but I believe you are doing a dis-service to "the movement". The NRA might not be a perfect organization but they are certainly the most powerful at the moment. The other groups in this post all are good groups but they just don't have the clout on capital hill that the NRA has. They were instrumental in the failed challenge to the campaign finance law, they are actively fighting the renewal of the assault weapons ban, they are fighting the new bill HR2038 proposed by Representative McCarthy which would basically turn us all into criminals. They do a lot of good. Furthermore, the easiest way to get people into the pro-gun movement is to take them shooting. The NRA offers multiple programs, certifications, etc which aid in all of those efforts. They are also heavily involved with LEO training and certification. What better allies to have than your local police, sheriff, troopers, etc. My suggestion would be for you to rejoin and work from within to change it into the organization you want. At the same time, membership in all the other groups is equally important. This fight can not be won alone. We must all stand together or as Fred from "Fred's M14 Stocks" says: we will move from the soft war to the hard one. Once again, I mean no insult but just wish you would rethink your position.
Sincerely,
Brett :D
Point taken Brett, but there is in my opinion, only one gun control measure that is constitutional. And that would be a one time background check without cost, renewal, registration or fingerprinting. Because owning a gun is a civil liberty. And the argument of reducing crime by legislating against the innocent is growing tired. No written law can ever hinder a criminal nature. No ink on a piece of paper will ever stop a rapist, a mugger or a lunatic(s) who would kill dozens with an automatic weapon. Gun control is the greatest untruth in the face of determination. And I believe the general population is coming to understand this. Remember, the DC killings (I will not call them snipers) tied in knots the law-enforcement agencies of two states as well as the capitol. And they were helpless to stop them (thank God for truck drivers).
It is also my belief that as long as we continue to engage gun control advocates on the issue of crime, that we will inevitably lose ground. As sure as the sun will rise, guns will be used by criminals to harm or kill. And those who would seek to disarm us rely on this fact to fuel their agenda.
The Second Amendment is not about crime. Hunting or sporting purposes. It is about the American people retaining the ability to defend and restore the constitution of the United States of America at the point of a gun. To not only halt criminal government but overthrow and replace it. And it is time that this true purpose be brought to the forefront.
In the words of "Fisher Ames", 1789- " The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing government, are declared to be inherent in the people."
Translation: That the constitution only acknowledges what we already know. The inherent understanding that we were created free. That the law of this land, the law of freedom, is carved on our hearts and minds. No lawyer, no judge, no court or any politician can dictate to the people the inherent wisdom of our existence and its natural ability of self- preservation.
The NRA has done more harm to the "movement" than anyone else (the 1968 gun control act was endorsed by the NRA which opened the door to the gestapo tactics we see today) because they have been the premier gun owner lobby in this country for many decades. They have become tainted by the very nature of government that they claim to lobby against and nurture gun control measures and bargain with our freedoms rather than restore the 2A.
swill269
12-16-2003, 05:03
:o
sks186,
you are right, my guns were covered on a "valuable items policy". it was seperate from "home owners" and each weapon was insured for a specific amount. however over the years as some guns grew in value (pre ban weapons) the insurance company required appraisals to justify the amounts. the cost of the appraisal was more than the premium for most weapons. it has been a while since i had insurance on my weapons. i now have a different security plan altogether.
Sorry!
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