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jeff
10-05-2003, 07:51
Since the studies could not show a corolation CNN assumes the problem is either not enough money spent on studies or not enough gun laws. God forbid the answer be No. I am pasting the whole thing since it won't be on their web site long.

Jeff
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ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- A sweeping federal review of the nation's gun control laws -- including mandatory waiting periods and bans on certain weapons -- found no proof such measures reduce firearm violence.

The review, released Thursday, was conducted by a task force of scientists appointed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC said the report suggests more study is needed, not that gun laws don't work. But the agency said it has no plans to spend more money on firearms study.

Some conservatives have said that the CDC should limit itself to studying diseases, and some have complained in the past that the agency has used firearms-tracking data to subtly push gun control. In fact, since a 1996 fight in Congress, the CDC has been prohibited from using funds to press for gun control laws.

Since then, the task force reviewed 51 published studies about the effectiveness of eight types of gun-control laws. The laws included bans on specific firearms or ammunition, measures barring felons from buying guns, and mandatory waiting periods and firearm registration. None of the studies were done by the federal government.

In every case, a CDC task force found "insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness."

"I would not want to speculate on how different groups may interpret this report," said Dr. Sue Binder, Director of CDC's Center for Injury Prevention and Control. "It's simply a review of the literature."

Most of the studies were not funded by the CDC. Gun-control advocates quickly called on the government to fund better research.

A spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said the laws work, but it is nearly impossible to prove it because people can buy guns in one state and carry them into one of the handful of states with strong antigun measures.

"It's hard to study whether gun control laws work in this country because we have so few of them," said Peter Hamm. "Talking about studying gun control in this country is like talking about studying democracy in Iraq."

The National Rifle Association said it needed more time to review the report before commenting on it.

Call for additional studies
Firearms injuries were the second leading cause of injury deaths, killing 28,663 people in 2000, the most recent year for which data was available. About 58 percent of the deaths were suicides. Gun accidents claimed about 775 lives that year.

When we say we don't know the effect of a law, we don't mean it has no effect. We mean we don't know.
-- Dr. Jonathan Fielding, chairman of the CDC task force


About the only conclusion the task force could draw from the surveys was that mandatory waiting periods reduced gun suicides in people over 55. But even that reduction was not big enough to significantly affect gun suicides for the overall population.

The task force complained that many of the studies were inconsistent, too narrow, or poorly done.

"When we say we don't know the effect of a law, we don't mean it has no effect. We mean we don't know," said Dr. Jonathan Fielding, chairman of the CDC task force. "We are calling for additional high-quality studies."

Among the problems:

-- Studies on firearm bans and ammunition bans were inconsistent. Some showed the bans decreased violence; others found the bans actually increased violence. Many firearm bans grant exemptions to people who already owned the weapons, making it hard to tell how well a ban worked. Other evidence showed that firearms sales go up right before bans take effect.

-- Studies on background checks were also inconsistent, with some showing decreased firearm injuries and others showing increased injuries. A major problem with those studies, the report said, was that "denial of an application does not always stop applicants from acquiring firearms through other means."

-- Only four studies examined the effectiveness of firearm registration on violent outcomes, and all of the findings were again inconsistent.

-- Too few studies have been done on child-access gun laws to gauge their effectiveness.

-- Study periods often are too narrow to tell whether gun laws work. The task force noted that "rates of violence may affect the passage of firearms laws, and firearms laws may then affect rates of violence."

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special poop
10-07-2003, 12:42
Good catch - you're right CNN must've let this one slip through. As a CA resident this one is close to the heart and one I'll be sharing with the wife tonight (an, ugh ,Pelosi/Feinstein/Boxer devotee ...please pity me).

I'm not so sure about the studies but I'd say two things prevent violence for sure. More violence or the threat of it. Two examples: 1st, the cold war, we won because we had more and better match sticks to throw into the gasoline we were all standing in...sounds stupid and the Dems & CNN certainly fought that strategy counter to their claims today - but the school of "youmayhurtmebutI'llendyou" is a good one. Second, 9-11 - or should I say the total abscence of violent crime in NYC for several days immediately afterward. Read - mass, violent death is for real and pulls the good and the bad back down to earth and helps us all get some perspective. Translate - carry out every pending death row sentence in the same week, initiate the death penalty in every state, mandatory, no appeal, 48 hours to execution - and I will, as an expert in nothing, guarantee that gun related violence starts to go down measureably, in one years time.

We tried it their way for a while and your find demonstrates that the results (as usual) are questionable at best. No, more research is not needed. Now lets try it the other way - everyone gets a gun if they want one, any kind of gun that they can carry anyplace they want. I bet everyone gets on their best behavior real fast.

Suspence
10-10-2003, 12:37
This one made me laugh:

"It's hard to study whether gun control laws work in this country because we have so few of them," said Peter Hamm. "Talking about studying gun control in this country is like talking about studying democracy in Iraq."

So few gun control laws? Aren't there about 20,000 of them? This guy would need to clarify what he means when he says there are so few gun control laws.

additude
11-22-2003, 03:06
It appears that they are assuming gun control laws are the answer to the problem. Gun laws can never resolve this issue. They can possibly reduce some crime statstics, but only by a small percentage.

Even outlawing guns will not resolve the issue and that issue is crime with a firearm.

We can study this and we can study that, Americans like to "Study" stuff, but it ain't gonna buy a hill of beans.

The root of the problem are the criminals in our society.

I say fix the problem of criminals having guns, not having guns.

Anti-Gun supporters think that a "Blanket" policy will fix the problem. It won't.

I do not think there is one answer to the issue, there are possibly several.

But I do say thanks to our forefathers for having the insight to give us the right to bear arms. As I see it, there is a fine line between what we say and what we do. We may think that we have advanced as a civilization, and we have, but in the eye of nature, we have evolved but a fraction of time compared to the big picture and human nature will be what it is for many eons to come.

Guns are the single most important instrument which has shaped the human race on this planet and it will remain that instrument for many more centuries. Nothing else, outside of religion has had such a controlling destiny on the human race.

I don't think we can just change that with laws. laws help, but laws are not the answer and there may not be an answer to keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals. I think the best we can do is limit the availability of guns to criminals and be thankfull the problem is somewhat manageable and it's not worse than it could be.