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Old 10-31-2012, 10:16   #1
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Remington R-15 or Bushmaster 20 inch XM

This will be my first AR, but I have sho them before. I have a mini-14 tatical for anything under 200 yrds. I like the AR platform for the accuracy it has, because I like long range shooting out to about 450-500 yrds. The bushmaster is $849 and the R-15 is $889. The bushmaster is a flat top with a carry handle and 30 round magazie. The R-15 is black, and comes with a 5 round magazie. Is the R-15 chambered for 5.56 or just .223 rem? Thanks for the help Sorry if this is in the wrong section.

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I'm on my 2nd Bushmaster, love them both, they'll take 5.56 or 223, just my input, best of luck with whatever you go with!!
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Bushmaster is the largest seller of AR15 rifles in the world, and have been making them longer than anyone except for Colt. Remington has been in the gun making business a lot longer but, they have only been making AR15s for a few years at best. Not sure if that helps any and I'm sure the Remington is probably a fine rifle but if those were my two choices, I personally would stick with what I know and that is Bushmaster.
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Thanks for the help. Would the accuracy be about the same from both guns? I know the R-15 was made for hunting. I would the gun I get for hunting, target shooting, and maybe home defense, but thats why I have my mini. Would one of these guns be better then the other? Thanks
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Now that is a different story. My bushmaster is good for about 1.5" groups at 100yds on a good day, maybe. I would have to say that if accuracy was my main concern I probably would lean toward the Remington. Just the fact that it has a free floated barrel for one, and the Bushmaster is designed more as a combat style rifle than a hunting rifle so they may give up a little accuracy for longer barrel life with the chrome lined barrel.
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Remy and Bushy are both owned by Freedom Group (among many other firearms manufacturers), so they are basically the same parts and rifles, just with different engravings on the receivers.

The old Bushmaster rifles were the ones that you hear all the good things about, but since sold, their QC has slipped a bit, from what I have read. I owned an older Bushy, made in Maine, that I sold to my brother-in-law for patrol duties (he's a cop) and it was a very fine rifle with never a hiccup.

If you are looking for the quality of the old Bushmaster rifles from when they were made in Maine and before they moved to NY, look at Windham Weaponry. The former owner of Bushy got pissed that Freedom Group moved the factory (without the workers) to NY, so he opened up shop in the former Bushmaster factory with the same employees, and QC etc.

As for whether the rifles are 5.56 or .223, it will state by the manufacturer and on the barrel. Don't assume that it is good for both types of ammo. It appears that the Bushy is 5.56/.223 and the Remy is .223 only.
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Originally Posted by TacticalGenius View Post
Remy and Bushy are both owned by Freedom Group (among many other firearms manufacturers), so they are basically the same parts and rifles, just with different engravings on the receivers.
Kinda like buying a GM or a chevy.
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Remy and Bushy are both owned by Freedom Group (among many other firearms manufacturers), so they are basically the same parts and rifles, just with different engravings on the receivers.
True to a point but, if the question is about accuracy, they are two different animals indeed. The Remington has a free floated, chrom-moly button rifled 6 groove barrel and an upgraded hunting trigger and the Bushmaster has a chrome lined GI style barrel and basically mil-spec trigger. Big difference when it comes to accuracy. Or at least it should be
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I have a friend who works at the factory. He inspects the parts. Lets just say that Bushmaster, DPMS, and Remington are all under the same umbrella. However at the factory they are all kept separate. And DPMS are not made in Ilion, NY at all.

After all that, I would pick the one that you like the best after looking at the fit and finish. After all the things that my friend complains about, it is mostly about over inspecting the product.
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Thanks for the help everyone. I think that I will getting the Remington, but am not quite sure, yet. If I did get it, would it be possible to have it threaded for a flash hider or muzzle brake? Do you think that $889 is a good price for that gun? Thanks.
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$889 isn't a bad price, no. You can have the barrel threaded, but you will most likely have to remove the barrel form the receiver to do it. You can send your upper to some places and they will remove the barrel and then thread it for an extra fee. I had a MA compliant M&P barrel threaded when I got ahold of it here in ME at Adco Firearms LLC AR-15, M16, M4 Carbine Gear, Parts, Accessories.. No complaints with the job to speak of, it shoots like a dream.
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Old 11-03-2012, 21:28   #12
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Remington recently won a contract with the US Government to sell them some rifles. Bushmaster has sold AR's to the government in the passed. The contract award is under review by a competition review board and they may not end up selling them to the government but just getting them past the Milspec process says a lot about them. Colt is still the Milspec champ hands down.

That does not mean other rifles are not good quality rifles but Colt is claiming the rifles they sell to Americans are the same ones that get shipped to the US Government. Maybe someday Remington can make the same claim if the sell is finally approved. kwg
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Remington RSASS

I know Remington either has or is trying to get a contract for this 7.62 SASS but it's really a JP LRP-07 in disguise.
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