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Old 08-28-2012, 19:24   #1
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Windham Weaponry AR-15 M4 Carbine

A local gun store has one of the Windham Weaponry M4 Carbines for sale. The problem is, Bushmaster developed a reputation of poor quality.

Military arms Channel did an great review of the rifle. Based on this review, I am considering buying one.


The issue I am having, the Windham Weaponry M4 cost right around $1,000, which is close to a Colt 6920.

5 or 6 years from now if I ever decide to sell the rifle, the colt is going to retain its value better then a Windham Weaponry.

But then again, I hope to never sale another firearm.
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A local gun store has one of the Windham Weaponry M4 Carbines for sale. The problem is, Bushmaster developed a reputation of poor quality.
It has always been my understanding that Bushmasters quality problems developed after Freedom Group acquired them. The Windham guns are built on the old Bushmaster machinery in Windham, which was bought out by the former employees when Freedom Group moved Bushmaster to Madison NC.
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I got to run 300 rounds through a Windham carbine a week ago, It shot good, no issues with it. I bought a Colt back in April, I think it will hold its value for years to come and so far its been 100% reliable except for a bad magazine that was no fault of the rifle.
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Well Kevin, I do own a M4 style Windham Weaponary AR. and I must say the quality is great. IDC what you say or any one else says about a Colt. Sure Colt is a great company, but my Windham AR can be upgraded just the same ( I threw some BCM in it ). Most people upgrade them anyhow. My Opinion as the other guy said about using Windham Weaponary. They bought out the old Bushmaster plant in Windham Maine and using the same machines, same factory, same stock of metal, some of the original employees started making rifles again. They started I think in Nov 2011, and since the Bushmaster is just a name now, they needed to rename their firearms. So named it after the town Windham.

Thats the history lesson. My M4 Style ar is great. Look in Gallery I got pictures up. Take a look for yourself.
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Originally Posted by woodstock View Post
It has always been my understanding that Bushmasters quality problems developed after Freedom Group acquired them. The Windham guns are built on the old Bushmaster machinery in Windham, which was bought out by the former employees when Freedom Group moved Bushmaster to Madison NC.
There have been a lot of good reports about the quality of the Windham Weaponry Carbine.

But the bushmaster reputation is going to be difficult to shake.

A lot of the ar-15 / m4 fanboy sites are dissing Windham Weaponry before they even try it.

But then again, that is coming from people who only buy bravo company, colt, Daniel Defense,,,. If its not from one of those companies, then its junk.
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Windham is owned by the same owner that owned Bushmaster...He sold Bushmaster to Freedom in 2006...He then reopened the plant with the old employees and called it Windham.....

I have one of the older Bushmasters before Freedom and it`s been a wonderful gun without any failure in over 6000 rounds and it`s very accurate...
My friends that have BM`s theirs run perfectly also..with more rounds than I...

Bushmaster sells many more AR`s than anyone... there`s a bunch that try to knock them off their perch...There is nothing wrong with some of the AR`s that are being pushed by some of these people but the trashing borders on simply lying about Bushmaster AR`s having these problems...it`s been reported that many fourms have paid posters that push certain brands and trash others.....In fact their are forums that do it...
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I recently bought a del-ton echo 316/moe and its a fantastic AR but, I looked real hard a windham weaponry as well because they also had the type rifle I was looking for. Heavy barrel, flat top with the front sight. I went with del-ton because it had magpul trigger guard, hand guard, and buttstock. It also came with a magpul magazine which I really liked and would have eventually installed on the windham had I bought one. I think the windham is a fine rifle and has a bright future in the AR business.
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But the bushmaster reputation is going to be difficult to shake.
It's not Bushmaster. That would be like saying Taurus only survived because they were being built on S&W machinery and relied on S&W's reputation.
Besides that, the only place I know of that Bushmaster has a bad reputation is among the internet crowd who most often rely on others opinions to make their decisions. I own an old Bushmaster that was made in Windham and it has been flawless. I have friends who can say the same and I can tell you that among the LE crowd, Bushmaster has an excellent reputation.
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I am on my second Bushmaster and it runs like a champ, so far no problems or complaints!!
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I had a Bushmaster many years ago and I now have a Windham. Love both and
sorry I had to sell my Bushy back then.
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I happen to live in Windham Me. I know many people that have worked or still work for Windham Weaponry. The company has brought together alot of the original work force from the original Bushmaster (not the mid to later 2000's) I do not own either a Windham or a Bushmaster but have had work done to my AR at Windham, The customer service is Top Notch, communications with the company is friendly and informative. My second rifle will be a Windham Weaponry. For sake of argument, doesnt matter what you defend your self with or compete with, if you dont take care of it, it wont take care of you. Empower your self, Education is key
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Rumor Has It...

Originally Posted by Antman View Post
I had a Bushmaster many years ago and I now have a Windham. Love both...
Originally Posted by AsSeenOnTV View Post

A friend just purchased a Windham and it seems to be just as good as my new Sig Sauer as far as I can tell, quality & function wise.

Heck, they're just aluminum forgings with barrels etc.

Wouldn't mind knowing "more specifically" why the Bushmaster brand would gain a bad reputation.

Nice rifle.
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I saw a shop today with several Windham ARs in stock for $1500 a pop. Just can't pull the trigger on one. Kicking myself for not buying an M&P 15 Sport two months ago for $649.
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I have a couple of the old Bushmasters over 10 yrs and they run great. I would buy one if the price was right..
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As stated above they are 2 different companies. The original Bushmaster owner came out of retirement when he decided that Freedom screwed everyone by moving out so he started up another company.
As far as the Bushmaster internet quality BS goes, it's just that, a bunch of BS. Mine is top notch, runs like a champ, accurate and uses the same parts as most other AR's. A lot of guys didn't like the un-schrouded bolt carrier that Bushmaster used and considered the gun cheap because of that. In real life it has no effect on the function.
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The vast majority of the problems* I've seen or read about with Bushmasters did not involve the quality of the parts, but rather the quality - or lack thereof - of their assembly.

* - By problems, I mean only those things that can or do negatively effect function or accuracy. Such things as improper - or lack of - gas key and castle nut staking, and improper barrel nut torque appear to be more common than they should be.
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Originally Posted by cma g21 View Post
The vast majority of the problems* I've seen or read about with Bushmasters did not involve the quality of the parts, but rather the quality - or lack thereof - of their assembly.

* - By problems, I mean only those things that can or do negatively effect function or accuracy. Such things as improper - or lack of - gas key and castle nut staking, and improper barrel nut torque appear to be more common than they should be.
That's probably correct and can be said about most AR's built today. Other then the gas key I prefer proper torquing without the staking. I take things apart and change them around too much I also routinely check my AR's for proper fit and tightness.
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
A local gun store has one of the Windham Weaponry M4 Carbines for sale. The problem is, Bushmaster developed a reputation of poor quality.

Military arms Channel did an great review of the rifle. Based on this review, I am considering buying one.

Windham Weaponry MPC - CDI AR15 Rifles - YouTube

The issue I am having, the Windham Weaponry M4 cost right around $1,000, which is close to a Colt 6920.

5 or 6 years from now if I ever decide to sell the rifle, the colt is going to retain its value better then a Windham Weaponry.

But then again, I hope to never sale another firearm.
bushmaster was bought out by the Cerberus ****s and it turned to ****. The guy who started bushmaster had to wait 10 years by some stipulation to open up a competitive business against them he rehired all the good smiths. Try doing some research, you will find it all.
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Originally Posted by headedtotexas View Post
I saw a shop today with several Windham ARs in stock for $1500 a pop. Just can't pull the trigger on one. Kicking myself for not buying an M&P 15 Sport two months ago for $649.
Talking to Eric, Windham's online gunsmith, he says that Windham has never
increased the price from day one. The price increase come from distributors
and dealers.
The dealer I bought mine from was selling them for $1800 and I bought
mine last summer for $799.00.
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I have a old pre ban Bushey! Great rifle. Plan on getting a Windham when the prices come down some. This is the one I plan on getting.
http://www.windhamweaponry.com/pdf/U...HBC4-25-12.pdf

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I would not hesitate to buy a Windham Weaponry at a "good" price.

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Originally Posted by m1key View Post
I would not hesitate to buy a Windham Weaponry at a "good" price.

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What is "a good price?"

At $900 - $950 you are just a couple of hundred away from a top tier AR manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
What is "a good price?"

At $900 - $950 you are just a couple of hundred away from a top tier AR manufacturer.
Noveske? LMT? Those are what I would consider to be top tier. Colt 6920 maybe something less than top tier, IMO.

My small town Walmart was selling the WW for $799 back in December. None to be found lately at any price. When and if WM ever gets Windham Weaponry ARs, who's to say what the new price will be?

As an example, my friend who works in the sporting goods dept was recently informed by mgt the new price on 500rd bricks of 22LR will be $50. That's what...more then twice what they used to go for?

Today, if I could get a brand new WW for around $900, I probably buy it.

Good luck

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