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Old 12-04-2006, 20:12   #1
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dpms 16" accuracy

what kind of accuracy can i expect from a stock dpms ap4 carbine with a 16" barrel. its $975

im trying to decide between a full sized bushy and this
i want accuracy, but if its going to be the same from a shorter barrel in a different gun, id rather get that.

the bushmaster w/ 20" barrel is $825
i heard accuracy from bushmasters weren't great
how does dpms compare to bushmaster
thanks for any help

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Old 12-04-2006, 21:43   #2
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I have great accuracy from my bushmasters. I think somebody is trying to be an "internet expert" when they tell you that bushmaster (one of the THE most popular AR makers) makes a less than acceptable weapon.

TOP performance from 223 packaged weapons have come from potimal 18 inch stiff barreled weapons. LE custom performance guns are now built on bull barrel 18 in max platforms unless they are for other (larger) calibers.

From my 25th aniversary bushmaster (I just sold) with its varmiter fluted barrel I could get touching rounds at 100 yards with Hornady 62 grn TAP ammo. Not bad for a 16 in barrel rifle meant for close quarters combat use

Some think that the DPMS is acutally of lesser qaulity than the bushmaster or colts. Personally, if its a Mil-Spec weapon, they are all the same. The government requires them to be! I've owned Colts and won't own another though just due to quality control issues from factory.

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Old 12-05-2006, 15:51   #3
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well i want a atleast one inch groups, im planning on putting an atleast 12 power scope on it. basically a varmint gun. so do u think the bushy with the 20in barrel is the way to go?
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Old 12-06-2006, 05:28   #4
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any milspec 20" rifle should do that with the right ammo. Go with a heavy barrel if you want to be sure. I would buy another bushmaster without hesitation.
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All mine are Bushmaster. I have a heavy barreled 16", a 14.5, and a 11.5. Barrel length isn't the factor in accuracy. A shorter, stiffer barrel can be more accurate than a longer lighter barrel. Velocity is what drops off with shorter barrels. Sight radius is longer with a 20 inch hence better accuracy. I prefer a 16' for all around accuracy and velocity.
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Old 12-06-2006, 14:06   #6
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Originally Posted by farmerjohn
well i want a atleast one inch groups, im planning on putting an atleast 12 power scope on it. basically a varmint gun. so do u think the bushy with the 20in barrel is the way to go?
I have the 20" Bushmaster A3 with a 4x12 Leupold VX1 scope. It is plenty accurate for me, I shoot it at the open 600 yard competitions at the local club with American Eagle FMJBT 55 grain cheapo ammo and it hits the pie plate if I do my job. The only thing I would think about doing is putting a better trigger on it. Stock it shoots under an inch at 100 yards. I love my Bushmaster. Never has been a problem in 5 years with it.
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BUSHY IT IS!!!! how do u like that scope gossman? is it worth the money?
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I have a 16 in DPMS A4 and the accurracy is very good for its intended range100 - 200 mtr. Beyond that I would go with a 20 in barrel in a full stock. Today Bush/ DPMS/ Rock River/ Colt, they are all good weapons. It's the unmentioned factor that counts the most, the trigger puller. That is the decisive multiplier that no weapons manufacturer talks about because they can not compute it in.
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I have a DPMS AP4 and it will shoot under 1"@100yrds all day with decent heavy ammo. I threw a 32x scope on it and shot prarie dogs from 350-450 yrds w/it last weekend, overkill I know, but I was bored. I have never shot a bushmaster or armalite, so I don't know first hand the quality or accuracy of them, but I'm extremely happy w/my AP4 and the customer service from DPMS is top notch. The only problem I have is that it hates surplus ammo, but if your shooting for accuracy, you wouldn't be using surplus anyway. www.ar15.com in the .308 variants forum has a lot of info and feedback on these rifles.

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Old 12-08-2006, 22:21   #10
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Originally Posted by farmerjohn
BUSHY IT IS!!!! how do u like that scope gossman? is it worth the money?
For the price, Leupold's are the best. I have them on all my rifles, my AR and my Savage .17hmr are fitted with the VX1 4x12. Can't beat it, bought two at BiMart on sale for $229 each. The only problem is the long eye relief, had to by an extended hi rise from Bushy to get it far enough away on the Bushmaster.
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just to clear things up, u can mount a scope, like a leupold on top of the sight rail of an ar right. someone mentioned to me u couldn't put a high power scope on an A2 but i iwas pretty sure u could
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You can mount it on an A2 with a carry handle mount but they sit real high. Hard to get a good check weld. If you want to scope it, get an A3, flat top. Check out Mueller Scopes also for a great scope at less cost. I have a 3x10 mounted on one of my A3's. Very happy with it and under 2 bills.
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Yes, mine is a A3. I chose Leupold because I drive by their plant everyday on the way to work. Easy to get repairs but the only problem is with 5Leupold scopes in the rack, I have never needed to get one repaired!
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DPMS ap4

I am looking into buying a new DPMS ap4 in the near future I would like to put an Eotec on it but will not be able to aford that right now. I was just looking for some sugestions on a good scope that could be mounted in place of the removable carry handle in the $100-$200 price range. Primary use will be target shooting, HD, and varmit/coyote hunting.
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