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Old 03-23-2005, 22:05   #1
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I'm finalizing my plans to buy a kick ass 3-gun AR-15 carbine. Basically, it's a Rock River Elite CAR A4 with the following features.

SureFire M-81 Quad Rail System
Hogue pistol grip
detachable forward grip
Wilson 16" SS heavy profile barrel, crowned under the flash hider
Badger Tactical Latch
Weaver Gas Block
GG&G flip down front and rear sights
EOTech 552 HOLOSight

I have 'built' the rifle using photographs of parts in Photoshop to give you a glimpse of what it would look like. However upon seeing the image, something just seems wrong about it, and I can't figure out what. I wonder if it is some nagging doubts about just using a stock rifle to run a competition with OTB. I have spend a good deal of time and energy thinking about this and I really can't think of a more ideal setup for 3 gun and tactical competitions. I'll post up this image and you can take a look at it and give my what ever comments or suggestions you like on it. As always input is appreciated.
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Old 03-23-2005, 22:23   #2
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Looks like a damn fine rifle to me.
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Looks great. I think what you envisioned has the most appeal. There are some differences for those who have a dedicated 3 gun style ar. Check out the 3 gun threads at:
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/home.html

Three gunners use a compensator so they can get right back on target for double taps rather than a flash hider.

Some also prefer the smoother cycling of the rifle length gas system and longer sight radius for longer shots that some ranges have.
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Originally posted by cabdmd@Mar 24 2005, 05:43 AM
Looks great. I think what you envisioned has the most appeal. There are some differences for those who have a dedicated 3 gun style ar. Check out the 3 gun threads at:
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/home.html

Three gunners use a compensator so they can get right back on target for double taps rather than a flash hider.

Some also prefer the smoother cycling of the rifle length gas system and longer sight radius for longer shots that some ranges have.
Yeah, I may buy a threaded Kalishnikov break from Bushmaster and keep it as a accessory for this rifle. I have used that type of break before and have found that they really work to reduce recoil and muzzle rise. I only wish JP made a detachable muzzle break!
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Humm no fishing reel attached to it......

Looks like that would be a winner - AR15_Fanatic - with all those features I am sure you would like it....
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Okay, I did it! After thinking about it, I ordered the rifle! The gun will be shipped with the following features:

RRA Elite CAR A4

Wilson 16" SS heavy barrel w/ 1:8 twist to the rifling.
Weaver gas block
SureFire M81 forend rail system
Badger Tactical Latch for charging handle
Hogue Pistol Grip
Enlarged winter trigger guard
RRA Two stage match trigger and match hammer
Six position collapsible stock
RRA graphite detachable forward grip
GG&G flip down front and rear iron sights
A.R.M.S. #32 quick release bipod adapter
Harris SL bipod
Rubber 'ladder-type' rail covers
Rail mounted forend sling swivel
Blackhawk STRIKE M-4 tactical sling
EOTech Model 552 HOLOSight

I am also going to outfit the rig with a rubber buttstock pad as well.

I'll post up some photos of the REAL gun when it comes in, but it's going to be about 10-12 weeks wait on the barrel before I get it!
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Oh wow, I can't wait to see it! B)
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I would sure like to know how it groups at 100 yds., and how the balance feels for the rifle before you put on the bipod.
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Originally posted by cabdmd@Mar 25 2005, 07:02 AM
I would sure like to know how it groups at 100 yds., and how the balance feels for the rifle before you put on the bipod.
That gun will shoot about 0.5 MOA with match grade ammunition, maybe less. I know from test firings of the Rock River DEA rifle, shooters average about 0.6 MOA, depending on the ammunition used. This gun is a step above the DEA rig, especially with the Wilson SS barrel.
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I get 2 MOA with my Bushy 14.5" at 100 yards shooting from a bench w/irons on a good day. M4gerys are very popular right now, but IMO if you want consistent 1-2MOA shooting go with a 20"
This was a response I got at arfcom about accuracy from different makes and models.

Sounds like the rra does much better than the bushy.
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call me ignorant but what does "3-gun" mean?
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Originally posted by dakota kid@Mar 25 2005, 10:40 AM
call me ignorant but what does "3-gun" mean?
3-Gun is a type of firearms competition that, as the name implies, employs 3-guns - a pistol, a rifle (or carbine), and a shotgun in its events. Shooters participate on several 'stages' where they must compete using each of these guns by themselves or combined together i.e. one stage will be rifle only, the next pistol and shotgun, etc., etc. Basically it's a competition form of police-style and tactical shooting.
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Originally posted by cabdmd@Mar 25 2005, 09:51 AM
I get 2 MOA with my Bushy 14.5" at 100 yards shooting from a bench w/irons on a good day. M4gerys are very popular right now, but IMO if you want consistent 1-2MOA shooting go with a 20"
This was a response I got at arfcom about accuracy from different makes and models.

Sounds like the rra does much better than the bushy.
Those results are pretty typical for rack-grade Bushy carbine and 'K-mart special' ammunition (WOLF plinker ammo will bloom out to about 3-4 MOA). You can get about 1.5 MOA out of a Bushy-made carbine with good ammo and a good shooter behind the trigger. Rock River quotes 1 MOA capability for all of its rifles, save only their Varmint rifle line that they quote at 3/4 MOA. With a high quality heavy weight profile or 'bull' barrel that's been free floated, most AR-15s will shoot about 1/2 - 1/4 MOA with good ammunition. Some manufactureres like Les Baer and Fulton guarantee that their high end ARs will shoot under 1/2 MOA and, with a well made gun, that is not an unreasonable boast to make.

The 0.5 MOA mark seems to be the golden number marking the point that the price of the gun skyrockets compared to gains in accuracy. I could, theoreticaly buy a JP made gun or barrel and get groups down into the 1/4 MOA range, but I ask myself "Why would I pay another $1000 just to shave off another 1/4" from the size of my groups when virtually all shooting in a 3-gun match will take place at ranges < 200 yds and about 90% take place at 50 yds or less?" For a 3-gun rig, it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. And the only way to take advantage of that gain in accuracy is in a supported prone postion - you can't shoot that fine from a standing or kneeling unsupported position, which you will spend 97% of your time on stage in. And let's not forget that the Alphas on a cardboard shilouette target are about 4" x 6" inches so a shot with the sight picture dead on center mass should hit there 98% of the time! Here, you can probably increase your score much more by investing more time into ammunition and practice on the range than in new exotic and expensive parts for your gun.

High power shooting is another story. At 600+ yds, every inch that you can shrink your groups by is precious so $2500-$3000 rifle would be a financially painful but necessary investment to give a competitor the winning edge.
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You are totally correct about 3 gun. I only bring up the subject of accuracy as a means to compare different makes. I know that the varmint free float rigs will do best for accuracy, but I am curious about the different makes for a carbine, and just how well a Bushy compares with a RRA or some others that the dealers at arfcom market.

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Is that SureFire M81 forend rail system a free float system, and are you going to have a mid length gas system?
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Originally posted by cabdmd@Mar 26 2005, 09:29 PM
Is that SureFire M81 forend rail system a free float system, and are you going to have a mid length gas system?
Yes, and Yes.
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I did check at http://www.globaltactical.com/

The Surefire Company is known world wide for its high quailty lights and they are now offering a rail system that is as tough as their lights. It is not a floater, but is a darn sure solild and simple to install accessory platform. No gunsmithing required.
I was interested in that also, but it evidently is not a FF hand guard.
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Originally posted by cabdmd@Mar 27 2005, 03:19 PM
I did check at http://www.globaltactical.com/

The Surefire Company is known world wide for its high quailty lights and they are now offering a rail system that is as tough as their lights. It is not a floater, but is a darn sure solild and simple to install accessory platform. No gunsmithing required.
I was interested in that also, but it evidently is not a FF hand guard.
I checked that out with SureFire. The M73 is not a free float system, so I have to assume that the M81 is not a free float system (I could have sworn that it was!) and I intend to install a free float tube on the gun.

I have a couple of options. Since it is on backorder, I can ask to change out the M81 and replace it with a true free float quad rail tube. The second is to order the gun without the forend and install another make of quad rail on it myself. I have considered using the Troy Industries MRF-M rail forend as a backup. I may well go with it.
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The Troy is appealing because the barrel doesn't have to be removed. It sure would give you more options for mounts than the tube. It is pricey though.
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can't wait to see the final outcome. from all the specs you provided should be a very nice shooter hope you enjoy
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This came in yesterday and the accessories for it early this morning. I got it all assembled and cleaned and am preparing to break it in soon. This is one AWESOME rifle!
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One final photo of the rifle with complete specifications.
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