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Old 07-24-2008, 14:02   #1
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How does WASR 10/63 differ from run of mill WASR 10?

AIM has them:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/N...zle_Break.html

Is there any difference other than the bayonet lug and threaded barrel? Are the receivers qualitatively better? I take it these will have the usual grinded out magwells? Any info anyone has about this particular type would be of interest. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
AIM has them:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/N...zle_Break.html

Is there any difference other than the bayonet lug and threaded barrel? Are the receivers qualitatively better? I take it these will have the usual grinded out magwells? Any info anyone has about this particular type would be of interest. Thanks.
I think the regular WASR 10's could only take the 10 rd single stack mags. The 10/63's have had their magwells opened up.
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Might that be where the "10" in WASR 10 came from... the ability to only accept 10 round single stack mags?

sounds good to me... lol

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I'm going to post photos of one soon. Haven't had a chance to fire it yet. The worst thing to happen to the finish is the scratches made by whomever did some of the markings. Sight might have the slightest cant, but unless it affects point of aim, and I've read it often won't, it won't be noticeable. All in all it just looks like a somewhat ratty AKM.

Now, to magazine wobble. Some magazines fit better than others, but they're solidly in place. What I find really interesting is it looks like Century or someone may have added some metal pieces inside the magazine well to substitute for the function of the dimples. I'll post a photo of them once I get a chance. There isn't much wobble at all using a standard Hungarian magazine.
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Originally Posted by Indyarms View Post
Might that be where the "10" in WASR 10 came from... the ability to only accept 10 round single stack mags?

sounds good to me... lol

That's what I was getting at. AFAIK, that's where the "10" in 10/22 came from
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The trunion on mine has "1965" stamped on it. I think the "63" in WASR 10/63 refers to the 1963 series, rather than the 1975 series, which is apparently what the "G" series are. I'll post a couple photos in the gallery once I get my camera back.
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I have a WASR 10 and it takes nearly any mag you click in. Mine are all 30 round. Just ordered 5 more Hungarian mags used good condition for 44.95.

It is ugly, it is relatively cheap, it has fair accuracy, and it shoots anything and everything without a hitch.

Got to say, it is a pretty good value IMHO. Paid $400 even-two mags, bayonette, cleaning kit, sling, 4 mag pouch, oil can, NIB.
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How hard is it to convert a single stack ak to regular ak?
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Originally Posted by deersniper6 View Post
How hard is it to convert a single stack ak to regular ak?
It is not hard to do it, but it is hard to do it well.

Basically, all you need to do is take a dremel and open up the magwell to fit a double stack in.
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Originally Posted by BlenderWizard View Post
It is not hard to do it, but it is hard to do it well.

Basically, all you need to do is take a dremel and open up the magwell to fit a double stack in.
so they already have a feed ramp installed?
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Originally Posted by deersniper6 View Post
so they already have a feed ramp installed?
The ramp is part of the chamber. If you're thinking of a bullet guide, that's only necessary on a saiga conversion.

All that is neccesary is to open up the magwell.
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Originally Posted by BlenderWizard View Post
The ramp is part of the chamber. If you're thinking of a bullet guide, that's only necessary on a saiga conversion.

All that is neccesary is to open up the magwell.
What about the 922 parts count?
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Originally Posted by deersniper6 View Post
What about the 922 parts count?
I don't know.
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I think that is the kicker on doing it yourself....by the time you buy all the parts you are probably only saving about 30 bucks.
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parts count?

You will need the correct US made parts count to legally open the magwell.
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Thats what i thought. I have been looking at getting an AK and since the saiga I had would blow your ear drums out, I think i may get one in 5.45x39. How much difference is there in accuracy between the 1mm stamped recievers and the thicker ones like the yugos and bulgarians have?
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Originally Posted by deersniper6 View Post
Thats what i thought. I have been looking at getting an AK and since the saiga I had would blow your ear drums out, I think i may get one in 5.45x39. How much difference is there in accuracy between the 1mm stamped recievers and the thicker ones like the yugos and bulgarians have?
Little to none.
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Really? I thought the nicer ones (bulgarian, arsenal inc, krebs) were a lot more accurate, meaning 2 inch moa compared to 4.
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The Yugo M70's have the thicker receiver and are often said to be more accurate than most AKMs, generally. Being Century builds, even better than average Century builds as they are, there is an element of rolling the dice when buying one. However that is true of most of the AKM builds currently widely available. The Yugo's are harder to find than they were a year ago, when AIM had them, but they can be found. Some actually find the underfolders more comfortable to shoot because the wood on the fixed stock version is too high or something and makes getting a decent cheek weld impossible for them. Or so I've read. That's really the only caveat I'm aware of with these; most give them very good reviews. I mention this type because you asked about accuracy.


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the wasr 10/63 is a better quality wasr.

"Revised front trunnion to 'current' milspec. Like the SAR was. The WaSR front trunnion is specific for the single stack and isn't as 'strong' (the '63' gives more support to the bolt carrier), but they aren't full auto either-thats when it counts. More surplus parts on them too, you will find filled/restamped numbers on them sometimes. And it 'should' have the forward grip on it too...Pistol Mitralieră 63...almost an exact Russian AKM copy (which started in 1963) "
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Originally Posted by deersniper6 View Post
How hard is it to convert a single stack ak to regular ak?
Some people report just opening up the magwell to accept dbl stack mags and all is well. I'll tell you this I tried it on a single stack AK but it didn't work because the trunion on mine was single stack specific. Thank God I'm a "Tin smith" and welder, I had to repair my shooter that was given to me as a present from my mom. I reblued the area and I have to say after my repair the single stack mags fit better now.

Don't do anything till ya find out what trunion you have! (unless your a tin smith or welder) .
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I am going to refer to the original title of this post. " How does WASR 10/63 differ from run of mill WASR 10?" Here is what Wikipedia has to say. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASR_series_rifles
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http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/wasrwell.htm has a tutorial on how to open up a mag well to accept a 30-round mag or a drum.

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The wikipedia article isn't exactly correct, as is the case with most of the articles there. The WASR-10/63 is constructed more of military surplus parts, not rejected military surplus parts. Why would the Romanian military keep AK parts that are 30-40 years old that were "rejected"? More than likely, these are built from surplused guns and parts similar to the parts kits that are imported here. It is cheaper for Romania to do that than to build from newly manufactured parts, especially since the AK in 7.62x39 is no longer in service with the Romanian military. The only rifles they produce in this caliber are made exclusively for export purposes.

So to answer the question, there really isn't any real differences between the WASR-10 and WASR-10/63 other than WHEN the parts were manufactured. The trunnions are essentially the same, other than on the very early import single stack Romanian AK's, which used a slightly different trunnion, where the magazine notch in the trunnion was narrower.
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Good points, NCshooter26. Also there is no "GP WASR" model AK. If one is so marked, it is marked in error.

Romy G rifles (aka GP-75/GP-1975) were actually armory manufactured for the Romanian military. The "G" is short for "Garda" and the rifles were imported to the U.S. in kit form. On "G" rifles, a "G" will be stamped into the left side of the rear sight. The U.S. made receivers on which the rifles were rebuilt did not have the dimples as did the original receiver. For more information on the Romy G, please go to http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/vie...ighlight=garda.

WASR rifles are put together from surplus parts, on U.S. made receivers without dimples, just for the consumer market and have no antecedent as military rifles. In addition, the term WASR, as an acronym, has no meaning.

The confusion between the two rifles may have developed due to the lack of dimples on the respective receivers. However, the rifles are not the same.

Don't get me wrong though. While many WASR rifles require some tweaking, they are, as a whole, reliable and accurate firearms. In fact, there are threads on a couple of other sites about the accuracy of the WASR out to 700 yards.
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