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Old 09-20-2006, 23:34   #1
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WASR10 accuracy?

In the mid-80's, I had I think a Romanian (?) AK47. It had the slap fire trigger problems and was very un-accurate. My opinion then was AK47's were all junk. Before coming to Iraq, I had to qualify as a civilian with numerous weapons and picked up the same crappy AK47's I had experienced in the 80's. Currently in Iraq, I am instructing the Iraqi's with the AK47, not sure what brand, Russian I assume, has a "star" on the side followed by 1977 on the left side. All of these guns are extremely accurate, very impressive and no trigger slap. The triggers are very smooth and light. I will probably purchase another one when I return home and am just wondering how the WASR10 is for accuracy at 100 meters. All of these guns here will easily shoot less than 3 inch groups at 100 meters even after being used constantly in the full auto mode and really abused.
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WASR's are sort of the bottom of the barrel as far as AK's go... some have postulated that WASR stands for What A Sh!tty Rifle.

You Might want to look over her, as there is a discussion of quality between all the AK variants
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WASR's are sort of the bottom of the barrel as far as AK's go... some have postulated that WASR stands for What A Sh!tty Rifle.

You Might want to look over her, as there is a discussion of quality between all the AK variants
Blender, have you ever owned or fired a WASR?

It's a good think there's more than one opinion around here...

Pdog, I have a WASR-10 and I couldn't be happier with it. It's reliable, plenty accurate, and the price was right. Just because they are cheap doesn't mean they are low-quality.

I fired AK47's in Vietnam, I guess they were probably Russians, I dunno. I (and many others) wanted to carry one instead of my M-16 but our CO wouldn't hang with it.

I think WASR's get an unfair rep because sometimes you'll get one with mis-aligned parts. I don't believe this is the fault of the Romanians, but whoever assembles the rifle, such as the importer. I hear most of the "bad" rifles come from Century.

AT any rate, most of the mis-alignment problems can be easily and cheaply fixed, usually by yourself without any expense at all.

I know there are a lot of folks here that love their WASR-10's, and I'm sure you'll be hearing from them soon.
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I read somewhere that most of the Ak-47s in Vietnam were from China, also, do the ones you have in Iraq have completely hooded front sights? I ask because I also read that most chinese aks have hooded front sights.
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Uh, yeah.... so?

Did you answer my question?

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All I know is that I've read enough bad things about them, that I wouldn't buy one. Especially since you can get a 7.62x39 Saiga for under $300.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes.
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All I know is that I've read enough bad things about them, that I wouldn't buy one. Especially since you can get a 7.62x39 Saiga for under $300.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes.
I'm just farking with ya, Blender...

All I know is from first-hand experience. I've fired over 1,200 rounds through my WASR now, mostly abusive, barrel-heating bump-firing and rapid fire, without one malfunction (except for a few dud cartridges). Never cleaned it yet. It still hits 3" at 100 yards.

A friend's fancy, high-dollar (Vector or Vepr?) milled-receiver AK won't shoot Wolf hollow-points without jamming. My WASR eats it like a fat lady eats bon-bons.

The "experts" over at the SKS board can say what they want. "Entry level"? You mean like a mil-spec 1911 is an "entry level" .45 auto compared to a "race gun"? Sure. But I'll take my WASR over a Saiga any day!

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I`m anything but an AK expert I wouldn`t buy one even if they were legal in the west coast kommunist paradise...but I`ve had interesting discussion with an ex-captain of the former soviet army who was stationed in Romania in the 70`s. That guy said that the Romanian AK`s were by far the worst he`s ever seen. After a mag in full auto the barrel overheated and you couldn`t hit a barn from the inside with these things. Poor quality steel and such. He also said that the Hungarian AK`s were of high quality, even better than the Russian ones.

It is well possible that the quality standards for the commercial export models (wasr) have been improved over the years.
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I have heard many people praise their WASR AK's. The only two common complaints were misaligned front sights and gas blocks and trigger slap.

It's my understanding that the new WASR's use G2 triggers to fix the trigger slap and they seem to have better quality control as far as having the sights and gas block on straight.

I'm still tempted to get me an AK, maybe one day I will.


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the Romanian ak were already around in the mid-80's?
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The Ak's here in Iraq do not have a fully enclosed front sight, open front sight.
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I am a WASR-10 owner, and I'm happy with it for the price. The fit and finish were terrible when I bought it, and the front sight is canted (doesn't affect accuracy). But the stinking thing is dead reliable, eats anything I throw at it, and is my SHTF rifle choice right now. I may in the future "upgrade" to a slightly nicer AK, or even build some of my own if ever get around to it. But for now, after finishing the wood stock and foregrips, I have a pretty nice rifle. Here's a picture:

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AK (most) and accuracy are not to be used in the same sentence This weapon is made to lay down alot of lead (30,40 and drum mag.) to keep the opposing force pinned down. Firing/manuevering with a reliable design and adequate mag. capacity is what this thing is all about. Combat accuracy of 4 inch groups @ 100yds. is acceptable to me. When was the last time you saw an AK in bullseye comp.?
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Hey pdog,
sory for getting off topic but I've heard a lot of rumers but no data about how the m-16 and m-4 are doing in Iraq. So whats the deal? Do ya have to clean and loob it every day, or is it just not good in the sand?
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I own and shoot a WASR 10 and am very satasfied with the performance. I don't own a tack driver like an AR-15 but have been shooting a Ruger Mini-14 for years. My WASR 10 has work just as well as my Ruger (if not better since the Ruger's barell gets hot and sprays ammo in every direction ....AK is spot on when hot). I have added many options to My AK which has only improved this guns performance.

This is what it looks like now and I keep it close to the bed at night to ensure my family safety. (see link..... if it loaded)

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Originally Posted by Metalhead
AK (most) and accuracy are not to be used in the same sentence This weapon is made to lay down alot of lead (30,40 and drum mag.) to keep the opposing force pinned down. Firing/manuevering with a reliable design and adequate mag. capacity is what this thing is all about. Combat accuracy of 4 inch groups @ 100yds. is acceptable to me. When was the last time you saw an AK in bullseye comp.?
Yep, that's right on brothers. If we could afford to (or had the desire I guess) for the Iraqis to shoot 3 inch dots then we'd outfit them with M4s (oh - like the ICTF !). Hey the AK is what it is, reliable, simple, available, and highly effective at point targets out to 100-150 meters, after that it is an area suppression weapon. If you look at old Soviet training films the troopers are all assaulting with full-auto AKs on their hips - as was intended. This is also why your first selection on "real" AKs in FA. Well, anyway, back to the real topic ... I aquired a WASR (Century Arms type) myself recently. I shot her last week as a matter of fact. Accuracy was pretty good - I'd say 4-5 inches. Let's put it this way, all of my rounds were in the chest/vitals area on an E-type target. I'm happy with that. If you want better than that - then I suggest you invest in one of the higher quality AKs out there rather than the po'mans WASR. Also, my trigger SUCKs on the WASR and it is going to be replaced next month, so that's going to cost me another $100. Maybe I should have just got a "good" one too. Oh well, it will be nice when I'm done.

BTW - Pdog, thanks for your service and train them boys up good. I'll be back in a year or so and expect some trained-up troopers!

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Sorry about the delay here, been a bit busy. We just got in some cases of brand new AK's, all Russian made. I eat my words on the front sights, the ones we have been using have open front sights but the inventory I just went through, alot of enclosed sights also. It just so happens each day we pick up the same batch to take to the range.
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I overlooked the part on the M4 and M16. I carry the M4 everywhere myself. I use a AR15 alot back home hunting, very pleased with it, its lighter than the AK of course, I can shoot it better and faster follow up shots, can put 3 rounds on the 3 round burst on the target at 100 meters also with no problem but ammo is free and I shoot it alot. It works well for me but I am not out crawling in the sand, it gets dirty yes but now yacky dirty I guess. The military guys I am around don't complain about theres so I'm leaning on they are ok. We very seldom clean the AK's, darn things just keep on shooting and I have actually seen them use sand to clean them with, about fell over but it took the carbon build up off, no oil to lube with, gave me the shivers watching but it worked.____MYSELF, I prefer the M4, not as good penetration but I can handle it better and that is what counts. That darn 75 round drum on the AK kicks my _ss.
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Originally Posted by pdog
Sorry about the delay here, been a bit busy. We just got in some cases of brand new AK's, all Russian made. I eat my words on the front sights, the ones we have been using have open front sights but the inventory I just went through, alot of enclosed sights also. It just so happens each day we pick up the same batch to take to the range.
When did laws start permitting the importation of AK's from Russia again?
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Originally Posted by BlenderWizard
When did laws start permitting the importation of AK's from Russia again?
No importation problems in Iraq almost everyone has one!
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Oh. I guess my saigas are as close as I can get...
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A bit late but heres my .02 cents worth. I've owned two WASR 10's in the past two years. The first was a gift from my boss at work, had a canted front sight which I got fixed. Not one misfire or problem of any kind afterwards. Accurracy was very good up to 150 yards. Hate myself at times for doing it but i ended up selling it for a real good price to my bro.
Bought another WASR not too long after and did have problems with it misfiring started a thread about it. Sold it to a guy who said he knew what the problem was. Got a Yugo with the proceeds. Turns out that last WASRs gas piston was bent just a hair. Bought a Yugo AK and love it. Still, WASR 10 is a hell of a value.
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ive got a wasr -10 and a saiga 308 the wasr will hit pop cans all day@100 yds. the saiga 1in. groups @100yds. and they are both some of the best gun for the $ in the gun world . imho where else you gonna get a nib $300 ak in 308? p.s. my wasr came with a g2 trigger

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That WASR trigger finally getting fixed. I just got a Tapco G2 double hook trigger for it. That should do the trick - and you can't beat the price. I'll post some pics and a review when it is done.

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