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Old 07-25-2012, 12:23   #1
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If it's not a Colt 1911, it's junk

Hi, how's that for a troublemaker post title?

I own a few different 1911s, Springfield Armory, Para Ordnance, and Colt. No matter how much I shoot and love my non Colt 1911s, I have a special place in my heart for the Colt MKIV Series 80 and Gold Cup Series 70.

How about posting info about your favorite 1911 and why it's the best 1911 ever made.

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Yea, when I seen that I thought WTF. I have always been a Colt 1911 guy but have to say some of the other brands out there that I have handled and shot are very nice. My buddies Les Baer is pretty sweet and Springfield's not a bad piece either.
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I have one 1911, a Dan Wesson Vbob commander length. It has the bobtailed mainspring housing, making it extremely comfortable in the hand. It comes with Heinie night sights, and it is all around a wonderful gun. The trigger is so crisp words can't describe it. It also is very comfortable to carry with a proper IWB holster. I shoot it better than any other pistol I own, glocks of many types, XD, beretta, and smith and wesson. For around $1700 I would expect nothing less. I would put it up against any Colt any day of the week.

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Old 07-25-2012, 16:19   #4
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Best one is the Kimber Custom Carry II

DSCN0096 by jpetrak, on Flickr

We paid $950 for it, which is a great price. Sell the crimson trace hand grips worth ~$300 and you have a match grade, hand lapped and hand fit pistol for $650. Match grade everything pretty much.
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Old 07-25-2012, 16:38   #5
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That Kimber looks real nice, I have shot a few different Kimber's and all were very accurate.
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I absolutely LOVE it!!!

Nothing you can ever add to a Kimber to make it any better Shoots insanely, scarey good
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Old 07-25-2012, 18:35   #7
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I think people love the colt brandname more then they love their colt 1911s.

even though I have a remington 1911, I still want a colt, just to have it.
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This Kimber Target has been customized five ways from hell....and it shoots even better than a normal Kimber.



* Tuned WC Bullet Proof Extractor
* Magnesium/Titanium target trigger
* Hard Chrome Finish
* Hand lapped barrel bushing
* Polished and throated feed ramp and chamber
* Shimmed rear sights
* Extended Slide release
* Tungsten Guide Rod
* Other do-dads (Grips, mag well, ext mag release, etc).

I have nothing against Colt's, but honestly I have never shot one that really made me think I was missing anything.
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Old 07-25-2012, 19:47   #9
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Originally Posted by 45K20E4 View Post
This Kimber Target has been customized five ways from hell....and it shoots even better than a normal Kimber.

Now that is a work of art
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Thanks.

The gun was an evolution over a few years, with most of the work done by me, except for the bushing/throat work (Tony Kidd) and of course the hard chrome (Checkmate Custom).

It's amazing that after 20,000+ rounds it's still stupid accurate. But I attribute that to nearly all my ammo being moly coated SWC bullets. The pistol has seen very little in the way of jacketed rounds.
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Wow, now thats just ridiculous!

One question, do you know of an adjustable rear sight that will fit on the kimber?

The 230gr ball shoots so much differently then the 185gr hp.

My plinking ammo is the 230 so i want to be able to set up the sight for plinking and then back to the 185s for personal defense
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Originally Posted by Pet-Rock View Post
Wow, now thats just ridiculous!

One question, do you know of an adjustable rear sight that will fit on the kimber?

The 230gr ball shoots so much differently then the 185gr hp.

My plinking ammo is the 230 so i want to be able to set up the sight for plinking and then back to the 185s for personal defense
Hi Pet, if you carry for personal defense you should consider small fixed sights that will not hang up on the draw. I use laser grip sights on all my carry guns and just adjust the point of aim for loads other than my carry loads.

BTW, other than doing accurate target shooting on paper, tiny groups are not terribly important for defense purposes. I spent years trying to get the tightest groups possible from a number of firearms. All that did was add cost for aftermarket gimmicks and make the firearms more temperamental. Practical shooting on steel targets has changed my long closely held belief that only a precision firearm is useful for defense. Hit an 8" circle with all the available shots as fast as possible is the path to good defensive shooting.

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Old 07-26-2012, 14:48   #13
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I don't know of any adjustable sights that would fit a Kimber that was built with fixed sights. Mine, like all Kimber Targets, has the slide notched to accommodate the adjustable sights (Commonly referred to as a "Kimber Cut").

Really, the difference in POI is due to the speed of the bullet themselves. The 185s should have a higher impact point on your target than the 230s, which are slower and will drop faster.

I agree with ssb that for a carry weapon you should probably stick with the fixed sights, and adjust aim (or ammo type). Mine is sighted with 200 gr bullets, and shooting 185 or 230 will only result in a minor adjustment up or down.

What's the old motto? Shoot small, miss small?

While I agree that being able to reliably hit an 8 inch target at a given range is sufficient for defense training, I also believe that if one trains to shoot a 4, or even 2 inch circle, then shooting that 8 inch target will be even easier when the situation demands.

In IPSC I shoot as fast as I can accurately because speed means nothing with accuracy.
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Hi 45K20E4, I think you got the POI of 185 & 230gr backwards? The slightly slower 230gr bullet will cause recoil to bring the POI higher than the lighter and faster 185gr. At normal pistol range distance, bullet drop is insignificant IMO.

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I disagree with that concept. At 900+ FPS, even the 230 is out of the barrel before you ever feel the recoil. But you are correct that at "normal" pistol range I guess bullet drop would be basically irrelevant.

Sometimes I play at longer ranges with much heavier bullets, where drop does play a factor.
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The 230's hit low left, the 185's hit where I point.
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Originally Posted by Pet-Rock View Post
The 230's hit low left, the 185's hit where I point.
Hi, Pet-Rock, that's opposite than what I would expect. However, if that's what your gun does with different bullet weights it suggests there are other variables I'm not considering.

Some interesting links that discuss poi:
RugerForum.com • View topic - Varying POI with different weight bullets?

Different Bullet weights - different POI [Archive] - Glock Talk

Bullet Weight and POI

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I read the links and it seems like what they are saying is that the heavier bullets will hit higher because of the recoil is affecting the bullets travel? I'm not sure how that is possible because the bullet has left the barrel before recoil effects the shooter.

NO matter what the "experts" say, this is not my experience. I'm with 45, its just my personal experience.

I believe it is because the 230's are bigger and have less powder, so they impact lower.

However, the 185's are smaller and have more powder and impact higher.

Now, this was only between two brands of ammo. I havent shot it since then with any other to see if that holds true for me with other types because I need back surgery so shooting isn't something I can really do right now.

Thats just my personal experience man
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It appears that the Marines agree!!

Originally Posted by ssb73q View Post
Hi, how's that for a troublemaker post title?

I own a few different 1911s, Springfield Armory, Para Ordnance, and Colt. No matter how much I shoot and love my non Colt 1911s, I have a special place in my heart for the Colt MKIV Series 80 and Gold Cup Series 70.

How about posting info about your favorite 1911 and why it's the best 1911 ever made.

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Hi, this is interesting news about the 1911, see:
Sticking to their guns: Marines place $22.5M order for the Colt .45 M1911

Maybe the Marines agree with the thread title?

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I see they amended the article on FoxNews. Originally the contract was for 4,000 pistols ($6k a piece? Really?) Now it states 12,000 units, plus support and spare parts. Much more realistic.

Ultimately, it's all in the bid (or who gets paid off).
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Hi 45K20E4, I'm delighted that the Marines finally figured out what we all already knew, the .45 ACP is superior to the 9mm! 101ys old and still kicking, long live the 1911.

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I'm also delighted that the USMC's going for 1911s and Colts at that. Personally, I'd have to take a grinder to that light rail though which is an abomination to the eye and just so much baggage.

I like owning and shooting Colt .45 Automatics. All of mine are Colts save for one Remington Rand 1911A1. The Colts have gone the distance for me. I still have the first one, a 1918 Colt 1911 that was 60 years old when I purchased it.
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Well, it's not about aesthetics to the Marines.
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Originally Posted by Pet-Rock View Post
I read the links and it seems like what they are saying is that the heavier bullets will hit higher because of the recoil is affecting the bullets travel? I'm not sure how that is possible because the bullet has left the barrel before recoil effects the shooter.

NO matter what the "experts" say, this is not my experience. I'm with 45, its just my personal experience.

I believe it is because the 230's are bigger and have less powder, so they impact lower.

However, the 185's are smaller and have more powder and impact higher.

Now, this was only between two brands of ammo. I havent shot it since then with any other to see if that holds true for me with other types because I need back surgery so shooting isn't something I can really do right now.

Thats just my personal experience man
Hi Pet-Rock, yes it is because the recoil of the heavier or slower bullet raises the pistol more before the bullet leaves the barrel. It's basic physics. Put a laser bore sight into your pistol and compare the location of the laser dot compared to the iron sights. The laser dot is always lower than the sights. .22s that don't recoil much have both the bore and sights very close.

Today I shot my Colt SAA using both my .45 LC and .45 ACP cylinders and did some careful testing. The 230gr .45 ACP is faster than my .45 LC handloads (250gr, 8gr Unique). At 10yds (where bullet drop isn't an issue) I need to hold the position of the front sight 1/2 the front sight blade height to achieve the same poi of the .45 LC sighted right on.

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Opinions are like assholes. I have a para g.i. and its a very accurate gun. Not as pretty as the kimbers and it doesnt have the name recognition of the colt but its 100% reliable and shoots like a dream.
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